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Lainie
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Originally posted by aneee:
Please, Please, Please Ya'll, do not raise you're children in CA. The Liberalism is knee deep in the educational system not to mention our so-called government and Geubenator!!

Just out of curiosity, why do you assume that we all dislike "Liberalism" as much as you do? There might be people here who would consider the environment you describe just right for their kids.

I don't know much about California politics, but I've certainly gotten the impression over the years that it's not monolithically liberal. Perhaps snopesters who live in other parts of the state could clarify that.

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edit- removed comment because I find that it's getting too easy for me to be unnecessarily snarky online. Apologies.
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I have never seen this film, and cannot comment on it. I do not know whether it is racist, or whether it is worth defending. However I wanted to make a more general point.

I find it very worrying when we censor things from the past. We sometimes seem to be trying to pretend everyone always thought like us, and acted like us. This is worrying in many ways, but even when done for the best of reasons it gives the illusion that nothing changes.

Personally I would like the children I know and care about to understand the problems we have with some material from the past. If we are open about the fact that things have changed so much then it shows the possibility of change. Instead we often present history, particularly in films and television and particularly to children, as an exotic background for characters who share modern PC beliefs.

I sometimes feel depressed about some of the things I don't like about the world, and how little influence I have over them, and start to feel like nothing will ever change. A quick look at even very recent history says otherwise.

Whenever my mother starts to complain that nothing has changed for women I point her straight to any of the old television series we enjoy watching.

I also don't see how supressing offensive material helps the group that it is offensive to. The people who benefit most are those whose unsavoury opinions are hidden. I first started thinking about this having seen a man complaining on TV that some stately homes have not removed from display those ornamental table things (don't know what they are called) that are painted with images of slave manservants. I am sorry if he finds that offensive, but personally I find it a hundred times more offensive to pretend that the aristocracy of the time (or anytime - as an old fashioned socialist [Big Grin] )were non-racist paragons.

Lets remember the things that used to be so much worse (in some respects) , so we can keep hoping that things will get better.

An unusually serious post for me, plus I try to keep out of anything approaching politics on this board. After a certain point you can't supress strong feelings though...

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BrianB
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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't know much about California politics, but I've certainly gotten the impression over the years that it's not monolithically liberal. Perhaps snopesters who live in other parts of the state could clarify that.

I attended public schools in Southern California in the 60s and 70s and all of them were very, very conservative (religiously, politically, and culturally). In fact, the town where I lived when I was attending high school has only elected a Democratic congressman one time (in the election following Nixon's resignation) in the past 50 years.
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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago-Threadslayer,Inc.:
Not-exactly-a-chow, but almost. [Smile]
It starts out about the new "Brer Rabbit" DVD but evolves into a discussion about "The Song of the South."


This is my first time I've almost been a-chowed!

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aneee
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For example,

Are ya'll in the midwest or back east allowed to spank youre children? Not in sunny CA, they will have childrens services all over youre behind if you even think of such a travesty. One family, locally, in the 100degree summer gave a natural punishment to their child after many many many many many attempts to get him to clean up after himself in the bathroom. They had him sleep outside in a tent for a week without bathroom privledges. This child was in his mid to late teens and the parents were arrested. The Government is wayyyy tooo far into the family choices here in CA. The story above about the child sleeping outdoors is to my recolection and happened a couple of years ago but that was the jest of it. Another liberal example for you. We had a foster child, African American, drug baby from the time he was 19 hours old. Moms rights were terminated at 3 mos. We were 2 mos from adopting him when he was 13 mos old and they decided we were too white and put him in long term foster care where he remains today. I have all his baby pictures, locks of hair, first outfit home, first christmas outfit, easter outfit, kwanza pics, cultural day pics and souveneers. He is now 8 and in long term care because they didnt have a suitable black family for him. This enrages me. I'm not sure where in the spectrum this lies but I believe it to be somewhere in the middle. The adoption worker was an african-american liberal and she was the decision maker. [Mad] [flame]

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There is a reason it is the law in nearly every jurisdiction for dwellings meant for human habitation to have a functioning toilet.

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Foster care does not guarantee adoption. There's a technical reason for it, but I don't remember it. Had a social worker explain the concept to me once, it didn't stick...

Racism might not play as big a part as you think. CPS' procedures, however, are a pretty big thing.

And forcing a child to spend a week outside, without bathroom priviledge, is definetly abuse. The moment bathroom priviledges are involved, it's abuse.

What would you have said if they'd cut off the kid's food?

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Where are you from that you say "ya'll" and hate the idea of liberalism?

Disney has always made attempts at appeasing the general population, and if they felt that some of the stereotypes weren't appropriate to display when the film would have been released onto tape in the US, then they have every right to refrain from releasing it.

From a cast member perspective, yes, it may not be the BEST idea to refrain from releasing it, especially since they have a ride based on Song of the South. But we don't question the big wigs. Especially with how little effect the lowly park cast members have on making BIG changes that isn't in their personal best interest.

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I ordered SOTS on eBay. The kids love it!!

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Originally posted by Lainie:
aneee, I'll be interested to see the examples you come up with. Not all re-writes of history are politically motivated; sometimes history books change because our understanding of history changes, or new information comes to light. For example, sometimes classified documents are unclassified after a sufficient amount of time passes.

In another example, my high-school history books talked about FDR's paralysis and use of leg braces and a wheelchair. My older brothers' history books didn't. FDR's paralysis was concealed during hs administration (with the cooperation of the press) and it took about 30 years for people to start writing about it openly. In fact, when I came home from school with that information, my mother refused to believe it.

When I toured the Little White House in Warm Springs, GA a few years ago, the tour guide spoke very highly of FDR in most respects (as one would expect), but openly discussed without prompting his long-term affair with his secretary. I doubt you would have heard about that in the first decades after his death.

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Signora Del Drago
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Funny, the adults in my family all knew FDR was in a wheelchair, and I knew it later in life. I remember my mother's crying when he died.

shifty rob, did the tour guide openly discuss Eleanor's affairs, as well? Just curious.

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Lainie
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Signora, maybe my mother was just better at denial. But as of 1979-1980, she refused to believe that FDR could not walk.

She's come around since then, though.

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Signora Del Drago
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Lainie, I just thought of something. We may have been more aware because we lived in Georgia and went to the Warm Springs/Pine Mountain area often for swimming and for picnics. We'd stay in a cabin for a couple of weeks during the summer, too. Also, FDR took great care never to appear disabled. He thought he would be perceived as being weak by other world leaders. He would balance himself standing for photos and if he needed to "walk" for a few feet, he was always between two people who unobtrusively helped him. In addition, at state dinners, Eleanor would invite the guests to take a brief tour, and while this was going on, someone would help FDR move to the parlor, where he would be awaiting the guests to have after-dinner coffee. I can see how some (edited to change) most folks didn't know it, now that I've thought about it more.

ETA: Most everyone probably knows these things by now, but before someone asks for a cite: Search results on ask.com. There are so many results, I couldn't choose just one, but the few I read are interesting.

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Lainie
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Signora, my HS history books described the lengths FDR went to to conceal his disability.

When FDR had a new oval office built in 1933, he included an exterior door leading to a portico that in turn leads to the entrance to the family quarters. The door was built wide enough to accomodate his wheelchair. You can see the door at the left in this photo, which coincidentally is from the National Council on Disability and includes three people using wheelchairs.

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Signora Del Drago
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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
Signora, my HS history books described the lengths FDR went to to conceal his disability.

When FDR had a new oval office built in 1933, he included an exterior door leading to a portico that in turn leads to the entrance to the family quarters. The door was built wide enough to accomodate his wheelchair. You can see the door at the left in this photo, which coincidentally is from the National Council on Disability and includes three people using wheelchairs.

I can't remember for sure, but I'm almost certain my HS (graduated 1957) history classes didn't include that info. I'm thinking I may not have known about FDR's paralysis had I not lived so close to "The Little White House." Your mother is probably about my age, so that explains her not knowing. How sad that he felt he had to hide. He could have been an inspiration to so many disabled persons. But, "things" were different then I suppose. [Frown] We've come far but still have so far to go.

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