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Comment: I am a homeschooler in Colorado Springs, CO. Our homeschool support group often communicates through an e-mail loop. This last week we had quite a debate going about boycotting. There was a certain post that I have been unable to verify after hours and hours of searching. It is a pretty strong statement and she is adamant that this actually happened. Can you help me?

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I'd like to give an example of what I'm talking about that some of you might
remember. Several years ago, Disney Corporation began giving marital
benefits and status to their employees. AFR called for a boycott of Disney,
but several Christian artists had already scheduled a Christian family day
at Disney World. Because of the deposits made and money that would be lost,
including lots of Christian families that would lose their vacation money,
the group decided to have the concert and family day anyway. Amy Grant,
Michael W. Smith and many other wonderful Christian artists participated.
Everyon e had a wonderful day at Disney World and felt they had made a good
impression through their 'neighborly', loving Christian witness. The VERY
NEXT DAY, Disney World executives held a massive news media conference at
the gates of Disney World. All of the major networks covered it and I
watched in horror, as they brought out a large check, which they claimed was
the entire profits from the Christian family day and donated the entire
amount to the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund. They publicly made comments
about how this was their way of getting back at Christians and throwing
their money to a cause that they knew Christians would, otherwise, not !
support. They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ. Since this
time, Disney's profits have constantly slipped--not by coincidence. I cringe
every time I hear that a Christian family is going on a vacation to a Disney
theme park, because they don't want their kids to miss the experience.
Christ died on the cross for us and we can't turn our backs on a corporation
that openly mocks Him and His followers, because we want to be entertained??? You will not find a Disney book, film, t-shirt, mug, etc in
my house, because I proudly refuse to give any more money to a corporation
that would do that&nbs p;to my Savior. How can you call this stance of boycotting
unbiblical? How can a Christian justify not boycotting a corporation like
this?

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
They publicly made comments
about how this was their way of getting back at Christians and throwing
their money to a cause that they knew Christians would, otherwise, not !
support. They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ.

Yeah, because publicly mocking and humiliating a large segment of the U.S. population is such a good business decision. [Roll Eyes]

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They left out the part where Satan himself appeared in a poof of dead puppies to claim the check. Really a magical moment.
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Wait, doesn't Disney World have a "Night of Joy" (Christian music festival) every year? If something like this actually happened, I'd think that at least some of those CCM artists would refuse to participate in these things.
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quote:
All of the major networks covered it
Right. And that's why several years later no one has heard of it, or mentioned it, and no tape of the event exists.

quote:
I watched in horror, as they brought out a large check, which they claimed was the entire profits from the Christian family day and donated the entire amount to the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund.
WTF? Disney makes about 9 gazillion dollars a nanosecond. So if they bring out a large check, how exactly does that make it "The Christian's" money. Isn't it Disney's money? If I own a store and I sell a Christian a 1 dollar soda, then turn around and pull that dollar in the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund jar I just happen on my checkout counter, would that be any different?


quote:
They publicly made comments about how this was their way of getting back at Christians and throwing their money to a cause that they knew Christians would, otherwise, not! support. They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ. Since this time, Disney's profits have constantly slipped--not by coincidence. I cringe every time I hear that a Christian family is going on a vacation to a Disney theme park, because they don't want their kids to miss the experience. Christ died on the cross for us and we can't turn our backs on a corporation that openly mocks Him and His followers, because we want to be entertained??? You will not find a Disney book, film, t-shirt, mug, etc in my house, because I proudly refuse to give any more money to a corporation that would do that&nbs p;to my Savior. How can you call this stance of boycotting unbiblical? How can a Christian justify not boycotting a corporation like this?
Oh for fucks sake. This is just sad and pathetic.

Listen to me carefully. You are the largest social group in the United States. The entire fucking country caters to your every whim. There is no way in hell you could ever claim anything resembling anyone ever possibly doing anything that might be mistaken for attacking Christians.

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Yeah, I'm thinking this Christian is changing the facts to fit his/her opinions. First: once the Christians gave the money to Disney, it was no longer the "Christian" money, it was Disney's money, they can give it to "the gays" all they want.

I can see where the author was able to twist the facts, however. Here's my version of the sequence of events:

Christians go on Disney trip, spend lots of money, are overall satisfied, come back.

The next day Disney gives a check to some cause or another that is either directly or indirectly associated with the gay community.

Christians say "We just spent money there! It's like they're giving away OUR money?! OH THE OUTRAGE THE HUMANITY!"

Rumor changes and grows as it passes from Christian to Christian to turn into this moronic rumor that Disney openly shunned Christians by giving their money specifically to "the gays".

Even were this the case, the author of the email has no rights about what is done with their money after they spend it, AFAIK. Other than choosing where they spend it initially, that is.

I agree with your last paragraph completely Joe Betley. It gets tiring hearing Christians say how they are persecuted. I see more gay people or non-Christians persecuted by Christians on a daily basis then I have *ever* seen Christians persecuted.

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I've said it before (though not here) and I'll say it again...The pCms have taken over.

And since MD is too afraid to make a joke, I will:

One day, a Christian escapes from slavery in ancient Rome and goes to hide in the wilderness.

After several weeks of living off roots, bugs and small animals, he comes across a lion that just escaped from the Coliseum and hasn't eaten in a while. The lion gives chase as the Christian runs away.

Finally, the Christian is too weak to run anymore, and he collapses. As the lion approaches, lips pulling back from its fangs, the Christian prays desperately, "Lord, turn this lion into a Christian!"

The lion immediately sits up on its haunches, puts its front paws together, and starts praying, "Lord, bless this meal of which I'm about to partake..."

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quote:
Originally posted by Dancing Dragon:
I've said it before (though not here) and I'll say it again...The pCms have taken over.

And since MD is too afraid to make a joke, I will:

One day, a Christian escapes from slavery in ancient Rome and goes to hide in the wilderness.

After several weeks of living off roots, bugs and small animals, he comes across a lion that just escaped from the Coliseum and hasn't eaten in a while. The lion gives chase as the Christian runs away.

Finally, the Christian is too weak to run anymore, and he collapses. As the lion approaches, lips pulling back from its fangs, the Christian prays desperately, "Lord, turn this lion into a Christian!"

The lion immediately sits up on its haunches, puts its front paws together, and starts praying, "Lord, bless this meal of which I'm about to partake..."

Heh. I heard a priest tell a version of that joke in Mass. This was when I was just a kid, so I've remembered thi moment a long time- proof of how much it made me crack up. In his version though, the guy was skipping church and going bear hunting. He tripped and broke his leg, and was soon found by the bears. He made his desperate prayer, and you know the rest.

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I've seen this particular gem a few times myself. My aunt works for Disneyworld as a hospitality specialist, the people who arrange things like the events mentioned above. I asked her about it the first time I saw this come across my attention and she assured me it is 100% pure bullshit.

Yes, Disney has donated money to the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund. But not the day after any such event as depicted above, and not in the form of a big giant check. In fact, Disney gives away millions every year to hundreds of charities and causes, INCLUDING several specificially Christian oriented ones. The donations are RARELY made with any kind of ceremony, and Disney has never donated money to the G&LAF in a ceremonial fashion.

As the world's largest family-oriented entertainment organization, Disney takes rather extreme measures to avoid exactly the kind of controversial press the writer claims they specifically seek out.

The origins of this particular piece of distended monkey rectum stem from the outrage some conservative Christian organizations felt over the revelation that Disney extended personal benefits to the life partners of its gay and lesbian employees. This infuriated them; they felt Disney had no right to do this, and several boycotts of Disney products were proposed/promoted/demanded....but none ever had the slightest effect on Disney's bottom line, and dropped off the news as soon as it became obvious Disney (wisely) chose to simply ignore what amounted to a gnat buzzing around.

So the revisionists started in on it: since the Christian public wasn't getting pissed about Disney choosing to offer benefits to gay and lesbian couples (and really, unless you ARE one of those couples, who the hell cares?), well then, the situation had to be amplified to a degree that WOULD rouse them.

Thus was born the little gem about Disney "publicly (making) comments about how this was their way of getting back at Christians." Honestly. If this had actually happened it would STILL be being shown on the nightly news. 20/20 would be all over Disney. 48 Hours would have already made 2 specials about it, and Geraldo Rivera would be camped out on Disney's front lawn.

It's pure crap, written by someone angry that the rest of the world isn't sharing their rage over Disney recognizing gay and lesbian couples, and should be regarded as such.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sandman:
It's pure crap, written by someone angry that the rest of the world isn't sharing their rage over Disney recognizing gay and lesbian couples, and should be regarded as such.

No, wait a minute. There's something wrong with this explanation: it implies that some angry Christian would lie about this incident. I'm sure they would never do that - I mean, that's like a sin or something, isn't it?

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quote:
I proudly refuse to give any more money to a corporation
that would do that&nbs p;to my Savior.

I have seen the light. Disney will no longer get one cent from me. How dare they do that&nbs p;to my Savior!!??!!!

ETA: I can't believe those Baptists would dare end their 8 year Disney boycott! Have they no shame?

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
Comment: I am a homeschooler in Colorado Springs, CO. Our homeschool support group often communicates through an e-mail loop.

YEh, from the message I get they're quite loopy [Big Grin] .

Jaime

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quote:
Several years ago, Disney Corporation began giving marital
benefits and status to their employees. AFR called for a boycott of Disney,...

Wait, now Christians are opposed to ALL marriage by ANYONE?

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I can't believe the horrors that Disney will get up to. The next thing you know, they'll be hiring non-christians to work in the place. Will it never end.

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I heard they refused to fire that Snow White slut even though she was living in sin with 7 men at one time.

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And what about Pinocchio? An animated undead golem, an idolatrous parody of humanity, as sinful as Frankenstein's monster! Yet he is paraded before innocent children!

Silas

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Wait, I missed the memo. When did the Christians become the meek victims of a godless country run by atheists?

Last time I checked it was the complete opposite.

Yeah, sometimes someone takes action to prevent zealot groups from getting their way at everyone else's expense, but there's a difference between persecution and the suppression of tyranny.

Besides, Disney hates homosexuals. Look at "101 Dalmatians!" A single woman, not very feminine, who's obsessed with "fur" plays the villain. Disney's claiming that lesbians like to skin puppies! Could that be any more obvious?

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*ahem.* Point of order -- not all of us Christians are bigoted, conspiracy-prone wackaloons. Just thought I'd mention it. In fact, I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of us are as amused/disgusted/flabbergasted (it's so seldom I get to use that word!) as any of the atheist snopesters here by this particular piece of e-trash. Just thought I'd mention it.

Oh, and incidentally, there are loonies out there who have a serious problem with Pinocchio, for more or less the reasons mentioned. *Sigh*...

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Disney lets you claim your grandma if you can prove she depends on you financially. I think it is great. And let's face it if not for homosexuals there would be no Disney World. If you do not like gay people, you should never ever go to Disney.
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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
Comment: I am a homeschooler in Colorado Springs, CO. Our homeschool support group often communicates through an e-mail loop. This last week we had quite a debate going about boycotting. There was a certain post that I have been unable to verify after hours and hours of searching. It is a pretty strong statement and she is adamant that this actually happened. Can you help me?

Here is the quote:


I'd like to give an example of what I'm talking about that some of you might
remember. Several years ago, Disney Corporation began giving marital
benefits and status to their employees. AFR called for a boycott of Disney,
but several Christian artists had already scheduled a Christian family day
at Disney World. Because of the deposits made and money that would be lost,
including lots of Christian families that would lose their vacation money,
the group decided to have the concert and family day anyway. Amy Grant,
Michael W. Smith and many other wonderful Christian artists participated.
Everyon e had a wonderful day at Disney World and felt they had made a good
impression through their 'neighborly', loving Christian witness. The VERY
NEXT DAY, Disney World executives held a massive news media conference at
the gates of Disney World. All of the major networks covered it and I
watched in horror, as they brought out a large check, which they claimed was
the entire profits from the Christian family day and donated the entire
amount to the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund. They publicly made comments
about how this was their way of getting back at Christians and throwing
their money to a cause that they knew Christians would, otherwise, not !
support. They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ. Since this
time, Disney's profits have constantly slipped--not by coincidence. I cringe
every time I hear that a Christian family is going on a vacation to a Disney
theme park, because they don't want their kids to miss the experience.
Christ died on the cross for us and we can't turn our backs on a corporation
that openly mocks Him and His followers, because we want to be entertained??? You will not find a Disney book, film, t-shirt, mug, etc in
my house, because I proudly refuse to give any more money to a corporation
that would do that&nbs p;to my Savior. How can you call this stance of boycotting
unbiblical? How can a Christian justify not boycotting a corporation like
this?

Other comments not withstanding, I'd say, unfortunately, you are probably driving down a dead end street trying to convince someone something didn't happen.

I used to try to explain urban legends (I don't know if this particular story is one) to people, but it's pretty much a lost cause.

The last time I tried, I was told (literally) "I don't care what you can prove. I saw it in a email."

Many Christians are very emotional, and people in general seem to want to believe the first thing they hear, so combine those two things, and there's no convincing some people once they hear something.

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The title of this thread makes me think of some modern variant of the tale of "Robin Hood"... [lol]

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Disney probably gives most of the money it makes to people that so called "christians" would not approve of. I want to see them boycott Disney and see where they will take their kids on vacation where there is no sin or whatever it is they are afraid of.
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They could always go here...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/02/05/christian.themeparkt/

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quote:
Originally posted by musicgeek:
*ahem.* Point of order -- not all of us Christians are bigoted, conspiracy-prone wackaloons.



Not to worry; here on snopes, we have several who are shining examples of light, logic, toleration, and kindness. As always, it's the obnoxious minority that gets far more notice than they deserve.

quote:

Oh, and incidentally, there are loonies out there who have a serious problem with Pinocchio, for more or less the reasons mentioned. *Sigh*...

Now that's just depressing... I thought I was just joking... As mentioned somewhere, there was a tv preacher who insisted that the smurfs were demons! Again, 99.8 per cent of Christians are a LOT smarter than that!

Apple Brown Bettie: no fair using the name of a dessert as your snopes name! Now I'm hungry! (Grin!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
quote:
Originally posted by musicgeek:
*ahem.* Point of order -- not all of us Christians are bigoted, conspiracy-prone wackaloons.



Not to worry; here on snopes, we have several who are shining examples of light, logic, toleration, and kindness. As always, it's the obnoxious minority that gets far more notice than they deserve.

quote:

Oh, and incidentally, there are loonies out there who have a serious problem with Pinocchio, for more or less the reasons mentioned. *Sigh*...

Now that's just depressing... I thought I was just joking... As mentioned somewhere, there was a tv preacher who insisted that the smurfs were demons! Again, 99.8 per cent of Christians are a LOT smarter than that!

Apple Brown Bettie: no fair using the name of a dessert as your snopes name! Now I'm hungry! (Grin!)

Silas

On an equally silly note, I once heard someone say that Pinocchio was a metaphor for sex, since his nose got bigger and smaller. Unfortunately, I believe this person was serious.

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ.

Does anyone else see a world of difference between mocking pCm's and mocking Christ?

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quote:
Originally posted by Deansinger:
quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ.

Does anyone else see a world of difference between mocking pCm's and mocking Christ?
"What you do to the least of mine, you do to me."
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How did the money become Christian -- was it babtised, did it see the light, and dedicte itself to Christ. How dare they give born again money to the heathens
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quote:
Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
quote:
Originally posted by Deansinger:
quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
They were laughing at us and making a mockery of Christ.

Does anyone else see a world of difference between mocking pCm's and mocking Christ?
"What you do to the least of mine, you do to me."
Touche`. Coming from a Christian who still has doubts about Organized Religion, what I wonder is whether these souls misguided by the narrow mindedness of the "religious right" are following (for lack of a better phrase) a True Path. Are they His? It comes down to faith, and the argument could go on forever without resolution. I do thank you for giving me a point to think about though. [Smile]

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All of the major networks covered it and I watched in horror, as they brought out a large check, which they claimed was the entire profits from the Christian family day and donated the entire amount to the Gay and Lesbian Action Fund.
The OP just got a bit confused. It wasn't Disney covered by the networks. It was Tommy Hilfiger on Oprah. Or CNN.

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Hm...Christians buy Disney products...Disney gives benefit money to gay/lesbian couples when needed...Christian money indirectly going to gays? I guess by that somewhat twisted thought pattern, you could see it like that.

^That's what I thought this topic was about. I have to agree, that would one, be a sorry business decision, and two, would be all over the news if it actually happened. The whole "the godless world is out to get us!" mentality is one of the things that bothers me most about the (Southern Baptist) church my family has been going to since we moved.

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If I became a lesbian, would Disney give me a great big check? Because frankly, I could use the money.

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Originally posted by moonfall86:
The whole "the godless world is out to get us!" mentality is one of the things that bothers me most about the (Southern Baptist) church my family has been going to since we moved.

Same here. I've been Southern Baptist all my life (although, I know other demoninations do it too) but that's one of my biggest problems with it. Everyone is out to get us, everything that's not "of God" is Satanic, anything that goes wrong in my life is "Satan trying to bring me down" etc, etc, and when you try to reason with most Christians (and I'm a Christian), they won't have any of it.

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Maybe that's why God doesn't have the time to take care of World Hunger and protect the Faithful from hurricanes, and balance global worming. He's too busy causing Mary Jo McSerious's souffle` to collapse and making sure women aren't wearing trousers and helping the Central High Wildcats beat the Raiders from Lakeside High. I propose we quit bothering the Lord with trivialities and pray for the Big Stuff. :-)

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quote:
Originally posted by moonfall86:
The whole "the godless world is out to get us!" mentality is one of the things that bothers me most about the (Southern Baptist) church my family has been going to since we moved.

I've often wondered how they could reconcile this idea with that of Christ willingly hanging out with whores, lepers, and various lowly sinners.

Sometimes I'm tempted to create a bumper sticker that says "CHRIST IS NOT A BUBBLE BOY."

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