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Psihala
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Hollywood is a town that loves a good rumor. And -- believe you me -- there are some great tales currently flying around about Disney's newest animated feature. Jim Hill tries to sort the fact from the fiction.

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/article.php?id=1723

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Ah, and here I was, thinking this had something to do with sex. You've failed us, Disney artists.

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Disney is just digging its own grave.

This article, from the same site, really surprised me. I didn't know much about "The Wild" project before, definitely not that it had so much in common with "Madagascar." Even if Disney had the idea first, to the masses this is going to look like Disney ripped off another movie - not even a really good one at that.

Sigh.

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and Michael Eisner (The company's recently departed CEO. Who inexplicably had the film-makers make many changes to "Chicken Little" while this movie was in production. Among then ordering that the film's title character be changed from a girl to a boy).

I guess I don't understand why this is listed as inexplicable. It seems like a good marketing move. In my observation, boy characters appeal both to little boys and little girls, while girl characters may not appeal to some young boys.

Just what I observe with my boy and his pals. YMMV.

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What Dogwater says makes sense - I can tell from my personal past, that I absolutely refused reading books with prominently starring girl characters unless they were outnumbered by boys.

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So is it now going to be released as "Rooster Little"? - Or maybe "Capon Little"? Poor guy if it is the latter.

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quote:
Originally posted by pilchik:
So is it now going to be released as "Rooster Little"? - Or maybe "Capon Little"? Poor guy if it is the latter.

"Chicken" is not sex-specific. Chicken little is young enough that you'd probably call him a cockerel. (Or her a pullet.)

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Psihala
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In my observation, boy characters appeal both to little boys and little girls, while girl characters may not appeal to some young boys.
*cough*coughLaraCroft*cough*cough

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I'd say Lara's rather too obviously postpubescent to be called a girl...
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ah for a time when Disney relied on their imagination to create memorable tales instead of relying on focus groups and execs.

What I don't get is that that method of testing must cost a fortune yet it produces horribly generic uninspired films that get forgotten about in a year

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quote:
Originally posted by Brandi:
I'd say Lara's rather too obviously postpubescent to be called a girl...

That's true... I wasn't making a distinction based on age, though perhaps I should have.

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(*Maybe Eisner was afraid Disney would make 'Chicken Little' a hot chick that would appeal only to the boys...? Nah...)

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ah for a time when Disney relied on their imagination to create memorable tales instead of relying on focus groups and execs.
Once upon a time Disney's audience was largely homogeneous, and Walt could safely assume that his taste was his audience's taste. Now the audience is much more culturally fragmented, and Disney's films have to appeal to more than just a white, middle-class Protestant audience.

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I think that's just an excuse given by unadventurous execs really. After all Snow White appeals to all groups and was/is hugely popular even in culturally different places like Japan. Reversing it, Spirited Away has huge cultural differences from Western animation yet it was loved the world over and beat the supposedly last good disney animation for an oscar

There can be cultural things which are more significant to one group than another but ultimately a good story with clear themes is universal. A comedy that relies on countless pop culture refferences isn't

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Disney may not have always succeeded in making universally appealing films but it wasn't for lack of trying.
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Animation offers a medium of story telling and visual entertainment which can bring pleasure and information to people of all ages everywhere in the world. -- Walt Disney
At any rate, especially after after 1937, his films were no longer viewed by only a white American audience and he was quite aware of that (maybe even more obsessed with it than the current executives). I think he just realized that you can't make a film with universal appeal if you don't base it, at least in part, on specific cultural references.
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For some reason I thought Chicken Little was a always a boy, learn something new everyday. So I guess its a histerical girl with a silly notion when the sky isn't falling and a boy when he makes his prediction and the sky actually falls (if the advert can be believed). Well at least he has to live with the name "Little".

I'm going to take my kid to it on Friday. I'll report back if I find it sexist and offensive. Seriouslly though if they did change the gender of the main character I think it was for the reason mentioned above (that a female main character might deter boys from watching the film).

Personally I liked older Disney films with Princesses and Princes. Now they seem to go way out of their way to provide gender balance (I'm thinking of things like Mulan. The point of the film was girls should be to be true to themselves by pretending to be male and kicking some ass. Or did I miss something? Why can't they just do something memorable like Bambi nowdays? BTW was Bambi male or female?

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Bambi had a girlfriend named Faline. He's either a boy or a lesbian.

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I think Bambi was male.

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Bambi was very definitely male. He is actually an adult for a good portion of the movie, but somehow everyone remembers him as a fawn.

When I was a girl, I very much preferred books with female protagonists. I would read books about boys, but they had to be REALLY good. In most cases, if I was looking at a book in the library, as soon as I saw it was about a boy, I would put it right back on the shelf.

I really resent it when people claim that stories about boys are more "universal" because girls will read (or watch) stories about boys but not vice versa. That was NOT my experience at all.

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I had no clue what sex Bambi was. I thought it was just a deer and another driver's victim for just being on the road.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chimera:
For some reason I thought Chicken Little was a always a boy, ... Well at least he has to live with the name "Little".

The UK version was called "Chicken Licken" rather than Chicken Little. This matched the other characters, like Goosey Lucy (Loosey?) and Foxy Loxy.

I think I'd realised the chicken was female by the last time I read it but as far as I remember I'd also assumed it was male at first (Well, I was very young!). It's hardly a big part of the story.

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I get to read this story at least once a week. The two versions I have, at least, aren't gender specific.
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Are they illustrated versions? The only thing that made Chicken Licken female in my version was the pictures, as far as I remember. It wasn't mentioned in the story, so you'd have to be aware that male chickens are cockerels to notice.
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Chicken Little is definitely female, else it would be Rooster Little.

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Outside of Hallifax, my wife and I noticed a little independent fast-food restaurant named "Lick a Chick."

Brad "but the sky didn't fall" from Georgia

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I did not think that chicken was gender specific, isn't chicken the type of bird and then the female is a hen and the male a rooster?

The American Heritage Dictionary defines chicken as:

"The common domestic fowl (Gallus Domesticus) or its young. Any of various similar or related birds."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sexer

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Feather sexing
Feather sexing is easy, but it requires that the chickens be specially bred to manifest their sex in differences in the feathers as hatchlings. Male chickens in these breeds have longer wing pinfeathers than the females do, which makes them relatively easy to tell apart. Most chickens do not have these traits bred into them, and the hatchlings are identical to all but the skilled eye of the professional chicken sexer.



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I always figured Chicken Little to be a boy. Pretty sure I remember a version where he was referred to as a "he".

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Chicken Little is definitely female.

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One day Chicken Little was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on her head.
"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Little. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the king."



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quote:
Originally posted by Damian:
Chicken Little is definitely female.

No he's not. Let me quote the great Wiki...

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Basic plot
Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
There are many versions of the story, but the basic premise is that a chicken called Chicken Little, Chicken Licken or Henny Penny believes the sky is falling down because an acorn (or in some versions a pebble that falls from a roof) falls on his (or, sometimes, her) head. He decides to tell the King, and on his journey meets other animals who join him in his quest. In most retellings, the other animals have similarly rhyming names (See Characters). Finally, they come across Foxy Loxy, a fox who offers to guide them all with the King, but taking them instead into his cave. At this point, there are many endings. In the most famous one, Foxy Loxy kills all of Chicken Little/Licken's friends, but the last one survives enough to warn Chicken Little/Licken and he escapes. Other endings include Foxy eating them all, them being saved by a squirrel or an owl and/or getting to speak to the King, and even one in which the sky actually falls down and kills Foxy Loxy.


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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. When I was little I had a book and record of Chicken Little, and she was a girl, wearing an Old West style bonnet and a shawl.

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I remember Chicken Little as female too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joseph Z:
I had no clue what sex Bambi was. I thought it was just a deer and another driver's victim for just being on the road.

Because Bambi being called "The Young Prince" didn't tell anyone what sex he was. [Wink]

I remember Chicken Little (Henny Penny), as being female as well. Don't think I've ever read it as being a male character.

On a totally different topic, I hope the movie bombs. Mostly to just prove to Disney that it takes more than computer animation to make a good film.

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Of course Chicken Little was a female because:
(*sexism alert*) she was being hysterical (*end sexism alert*).
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Perhaps Chicken Little saw a giant asteroid approaching the Earth. By alerting everyone that the sky was falling he was able to prepare everyone for the impending disaster thus saving humanity. Or at least the chickens.

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I saw this movie not to long ago (and it was very funny btw) and they made the main character a boy b/c it was a male actor doing the voice. I always thought it was Heney Pinny, Goosey Loosey, and Tuckery Lurkry that went off to warn the king and where eatin by Foxy Loxy. But that's just me, I've always thought also that they made Frollo from Hunchback look like a midevil Hitler but that is also just me. Hunchback is still my fave movie.

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