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Neffti Noel
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Hello all,

There's a whole chapter-end in this bestselling book about how Disney created The Little Mermaid as a kind of "in memorium" tribute to Mary Magdalene.

It references as evidence to Walt's love of symbology, among other things, Simba with the word "Sex" appearing above his head in The Lion King. This made me wonder if Dan Brown was a onetime Snopes visitor - however I'm sure he would have worked the "phallic symbol" video cover story in somewhere if he were!

For the record - I agree with the Amazon reviewer who describes the book as being like a bag of wine gums that you eat all in one go and then feel a bit queasy...

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Jason Threadslayer
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???

What about Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid?

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Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
???

What about Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid?

Facts Schmacts!
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Neffti Noel
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Originally posted by Panda_Marie:
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Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
???

What about Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid?

Facts Schmacts!
Funnily enough, I was aware of that little known text [dunce]

No, I posted this in case anyone else who has had the mixed pleasure of reading the Da Vinci code wondered the same thing as me: namely, has Dan Brown ever visited Snope's Disney section?

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quote:
Originally posted by Neffti:
Funnily enough, I was aware of that little known text [dunce]

Do you really mean that you concider one of Andersen's best known stories a "little known text"? [Confused]

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Floater: apparently you think sarcasm is just something that happens to other people. [fish]
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Is it wrong that I prefered Anderson's ending over Disney's?

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Originally posted by jtelson:
Is it wrong that I prefered Anderson's ending over Disney's?

Yes, that's UnAmerican. Disney is never wrong.

(and for the irony impaired, that was a joke, son)

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Neffti Noel
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Yep I always love Andersen's endings. Some still trouble me to this day. There was one where someone's brothers turned into swans and then back again - but it wasn't entirely successful and one brother had a swan's foot, another a wing instead of an arm. Still makes me feel a bit sick and worry about their romantic futures.

A good fairy tale should be a bit sinister IMHO!

PS Sorry about the sarcasm, it's a British disease but not an altogether attractive one!

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What about that dreadful one with the storks and the babies underwater?

ETA: The Storks , in which the storks bring a child a dead baby brother to punish him. Yay!

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quote:
Originally posted by jtelson:
Is it wrong that I prefered Anderson's ending over Disney's?

It's a matter of personal choice, of course, but I confess that I vastly prefer the happy ending to the sad one.

I feel the same way, although less strongly, about Disney's ending to Peter and the Wolf, where the Duck, although swallowed alive, is still okay at the end. The original always made me very queasy when I was a tot.

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I feel the same way, although less strongly, about Disney's ending to Peter and the Wolf, where the Duck, although swallowed alive, is still okay at the end. The original always made me very queasy when I was a tot.
Might I recommend...
http://www.wendycarlos.com/+pwca2.html

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well unless walt was dictating from beyond the grave, there's no way he expressed an opinion about what was appearing over Simba's head
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Originally posted by Soviet Kitsch:
well unless walt was dictating from beyond the grave...

or the freezer?

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What does Da Vinci have to do with the Little Mermaid movie?

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quote:
Originally posted by Psihala:
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I feel the same way, although less strongly, about Disney's ending to Peter and the Wolf, where the Duck, although swallowed alive, is still okay at the end. The original always made me very queasy when I was a tot.
Might I recommend...
http://www.wendycarlos.com/+pwca2.html

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Oh, yes yes yes! I've heard it, and it is wonderful!

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I don't like either version of The Little Mermaid, but I have to say I much prefer the Disney versions of Bambi and Winnie-The-Pooh.

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Neffti Noel
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quote:
Originally posted by Joseph Z:
What does Da Vinci have to do with the Little Mermaid movie?

Nowt - unless you believe Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code", which suggests that Walt Disney belonged to the same secret society that Da Vinci did (albeit many years later) - the purpose of the society being to preserve the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
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Neffti Noel
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I feel I should clarify my standpoint here!

Last week I read the Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, which is a best-seller here in the UK...

and here come some spoilers...

Granted, it's a page-turner, but it is also chocabloc with a dazzling array of urban legends passed off as fact, regarding the Louvre, the Holy Grail, Da Vinci's artwork, and Disney to name just a few. The sheer volume of legend in this novel is astounding (and a small church in Scotland is currently paying the price).

About half-way through the book, one of the key characters waxes lyrical (in the third person) about how watching Disney's interpretation of "The Little Mermaid" brought to mind all kinds of symbology pertaining to Mary Magdelene, and offers this as evidence that Walt Disney was privy to the knowledge that the bloodline that Jesus and Mary Magdelene originated was alive and well in the present day.

Now I personally think that the book should come with a CD playing the sound of a cuckoo clock striking the hour! but the reason for my post is - I wondered if Dan Brown had visited Snopes when researching the book, as he references Simba with the word "Sex" above his head while building a case for Disney's subliminal leanings?

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He wouldn't have had to visit snopes to pick that up. I heard it ten times a day everytime I left my house when it was first "discovered." Anyway, I would think that if Dan Brown had read snopes' page on the rumor, he would have known it wasn't true and therefore would not have included it as fact in the book.

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One would also think Mr. Brown would do a bit of research and see (if he didn't know) that The Little Mermaid was originally a "non-Disney" tale. As for him using SNopes, I imagine it's possible.

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[QUOTE Anyway, I would think that if Dan Brown had read snopes' page on the rumor, he would have known it wasn't true and therefore would not have included it as fact in the book. [/QB][/QUOTE]

But of course the book is a work of fiction, so it can have any made of facts the author wants.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joseph Z:
What does Da Vinci have to do with the Little Mermaid movie?

Apparently Disney has optioned to do the animated version of TDVC starring Simba... or something. [fish]
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quote:
Originally posted by RubyMoon:
[QUOTE Anyway, I would think that if Dan Brown had read snopes' page on the rumor, he would have known it wasn't true and therefore would not have included it as fact in the book.

But of course the book is a work of fiction, so it can have any made of facts the author wants. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Brown stated adamantly in a TV interview that while the present-day story in the book is fictional, ALL of the historical background referred to in the book is solid fact. He is either VERY delusional or (far more likely) a glib liar who doesn't care about researching his "facts", just includes anything that will help make the book sell.

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He is either VERY delusional or (far more likely) a glib liar who doesn't care about researching his "facts", just includes anything that will help make the book sell.

Well let's think, if I was Dan Brown, what would I do? I could admit the whole thing is tripe from beginning to end or I could surf the wave of wish-upon-a-star, I-want-to-believe, the-truth-is-out-there frenzy to the point of being able to sell deperately stupid people deluxe hard cover illustrated editions of books they already have and thereby make millions.

Decisions, decisions ....

(Actually, I could possibly also start my own motivational course - WWDB do...)

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Originally posted by LittleDuck:
One would also think Mr. Brown would do a bit of research and see (if he didn't know) that The Little Mermaid was originally a "non-Disney" tale. As for him using SNopes, I imagine it's possible.

It's not the story that is being refered to but the way in which it is portrayed and its visual symbolism, namely a painting of The Penitent Magdalene by Georges de la Tour's which hangs on the wall of Ariel's home. It also talks about the name Ariel and her red hair, both Disney's addition to Andersons orginal fairy tale.
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I haven't seen an interview with Dan Brown about the book. When he says that all of the background and historical information is accurate, does he really mean that there: was a guy named Da Vinci; there is a Louvre; there are paintings as he describes; etc.? To me, I like books that take real things, be it places, historical people, whatever, and weave a tale around them.

I too tend to prefer happy endings in my stories. It helps if there is music too.

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quote:
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I have to say I much prefer the Disney versions of [...] Winnie-The-Pooh.[/QB]

Heresy! Burn the heretic! [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Mavis:
quote:
Originally posted by Tabbecause I love Uganda:
I have to say I much prefer the Disney versions of [...] Winnie-The-Pooh.

Heresy! Burn the heretic! [Eek!] [/QB]
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quote:
Originally posted by Floater:
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Mavis:
quote:
Originally posted by Tabbecause I love Uganda:
I have to say I much prefer the Disney versions of [...] Winnie-The-Pooh.

Heresy! Burn the heretic! [Eek!]

You can borrow my lighter. [/QB]
Sorry, but I have to place my allegiance with the Tabbster. Disney Pooh was best. Disney Hunchback, and Disney-Pocahontas on the other hand...

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The "hundred acre crew" in that last film made me die a bit inside...

I wish Disney would start putting love into their films again rather than going for the quick buck. At least there are animators like Miyazaki showing love for the medium....

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quote:
Originally posted by Lydia Oh Lydia:
I haven't seen an interview with Dan Brown about the book. When he says that all of the background and historical information is accurate, does he really mean that there: was a guy named Da Vinci; there is a Louvre; there are paintings as he describes; etc.? To me, I like books that take real things, be it places, historical people, whatever, and weave a tale around them.


Sorry I haven't got a ref to the TV interview he did. In context, he was saying that ONLY the present-day characters in the book are made up, and EVERYTHING else in the book is "fact" including that the Knights Templar, Cathars, Leonardo da Vinci, Opus Dei, etc have carried the supposed "secret" of the descendants of Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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the book opens with "All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate."

brown says the story itself, the characters and stuff are fiction

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Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but "the little mermaid" isn't even an original story of H.C. Anderson.
There is already an older book by Frédérique de la Motte Fouqué called Undine. But if I remember rightly, it's a sort of traditional french fairy tale.

Our school theater performed a version of Undine when I had the director of that play as a teacher so we talked about all the origins then. (Which was about 10 years ago)

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