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senshisteph
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Japan's camera phone craze spreads to funerals
Thu Feb 16, 5:39 AM ET
Associated Press

Japan's obsession with camera-equipped mobile phones has taken a bizarre twist, with mourners at funerals now using the devices to capture a final picture of the deceased.

"I get the sense that people no longer respect the dead. It's disturbing," a funeral director told the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper.

At one ceremony several people gathered round the coffin and took out their phones to photograph the corpse as preparations were made to begin a cremation, she was quoted as saying.

"I'm sure the deceased would never want their faces photographed," she said.

But others called it a form of a memento in the modern age.

"Some can't grasp 'reality' unless they take a photo and share it with others ... It comes from a desire to keep a strong bond with the deceased," social commentator Toru Takeda told the paper.

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quote:
Originally posted by Horse Chestnut:
Off-topic, but these pictures reminded me of this story. About 10 years ago some young men were remodeling a victorian home in Columbus and found the skeletal remains of a baby, wrapped in newspapers and hidden up in the rafters in the attic. The newspapers were dated sometime in the early 1900s.
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Maybe taking pictures of dead children is creepy, but some people can come up with even creepier things to do to dead babies.

Speaking of creepy, this reminds me of a story I've read (non-fiction). An elderly spinster died in the mid-70s. She had no relatives, so an acquaintance volunteered to put her affairs in order. During the course of this, a trunk was found in the attic. It contained the remains of five babies, each wrapped in newspaper (the newspapers were dated between 1923 and 1933). The best guess anyone came up with was that these were the spinster's out-of-wedlock children, and that she had killed them, then for some reason kept the remains (nothing was found that shed any light on any of this, other than the trunk and contents).
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Do you think this is one of the photos? The question listed is mine [Smile]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6253926735&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

OK the URL within a word thing isnt working for me [fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by Squishy0405:
Do you think this is one of the photos? The question listed is mine [Smile]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6253926735&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

OK the URL within a word thing isnt working for me [fish]

Considering that in 1897 it was normal for an exposure to take 1/30 second or more I would be surprised if the baby were alive. And, as mentioned in an earlier post, there were people that painted in the eyes to look open.

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Alluvian
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Didn't have time to read the thread, but creepy eyes in old photographs is common due to the long exposure times.

You try to not only not blink, but not move your eyes for a minute or more. Any blinking or movement of the eye (including subconscious dilation) will make it look un natural.

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Pictures don't freak me out, it's the wreaths made of dead peoples hair that freak me out.
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quote:
Originally posted by Alluvian:
Didn't have time to read the thread, but creepy eyes in old photographs is common due to the long exposure times.

You try to not only not blink, but not move your eyes for a minute or more. Any blinking or movement of the eye (including subconscious dilation) will make it look un natural.

Definitely, not a fun time, as anybody who has had their portrait taken by pinhole camera can attest. You're in bright lights for a very long time, and you can't move at all. it's incredibly uncomfortable and blinking will occur, it's damn near impossible to go that long without blinking.
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quote:
Originally posted by Seanette:
quote:
Originally posted by Horse Chestnut:
Off-topic, but these pictures reminded me of this story. About 10 years ago some young men were remodeling a victorian home in Columbus and found the skeletal remains of a baby, wrapped in newspapers and hidden up in the rafters in the attic. The newspapers were dated sometime in the early 1900s.
[snip]
Maybe taking pictures of dead children is creepy, but some people can come up with even creepier things to do to dead babies.

Speaking of creepy, this reminds me of a story I've read (non-fiction). An elderly spinster died in the mid-70s. She had no relatives, so an acquaintance volunteered to put her affairs in order. During the course of this, a trunk was found in the attic. It contained the remains of five babies, each wrapped in newspaper (the newspapers were dated between 1923 and 1933). The best guess anyone came up with was that these were the spinster's out-of-wedlock children, and that she had killed them, then for some reason kept the remains (nothing was found that shed any light on any of this, other than the trunk and contents).
A similar case (or possibly the same one) was mentioned on a Discovery Channel special on the Mutter Museum. The woman's babies all died at very young ages (they may have been quads or quints, not sure) and she kept the bodies. They are in the private collection, not on public display. I'll try to find a link with more on the story.

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I'm not sure why dead folks would care if there pictures are being taken...

Funerals are for the living, try having an honest death discussion, with those you love...

the 'death' talk

I find the hair wreaths quite lovely, I have seen many up close rather meticulous and created with love. I have also seen hair jewelery as well.

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A lot of the photos of deceased children were called Angel Photos (IIRC) apparently it was quite a common practice in the late 1800's early 1900's. Often it was the only photograph a family had of a child.

Most of them that I have seen have a person holding the child like they were asleep in their arms.

I have heard of hospitals now doing the same thing for parents of children that have not survived birth.

Oh and BTW my family has a photo of my aunt in just about the same pose (proped up in a corner of a chair) She was born in 1913 and still living, so not all baby photos from that era are dead baby pics.


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I understand they did the same thing with kittens. Drowned 'em, stuffed 'em, mounted 'em, posed 'em in various "cute" ways, and photographed 'em. Postcards of these poor little guys were very popular, in fact. Often with baby clothes.

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quote:
Originally posted by courier1009:
Pictures don't freak me out, it's the wreaths made of dead peoples hair that freak me out.

The plaster in our old Victorian house is full of what appears to be short pieces if human hair. I'm guessing the plasterer used to get it from a local barber. I don't find it to be creepy at all. In a weird way, it's kind of cool that our house was built with little bits of the origianl inhabitant of the city.

On the OT - there was a postmortem photo of a baby in our local paper this week. She was a preemie, and the obit included her photo. It was a bit shocking, at first, but more sad than anything.

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quote:
Originally posted by lynnejanet:
The plaster in our old Victorian house is full of what appears to be short pieces if human hair. I'm guessing the plasterer used to get it from a local barber. I don't find it to be creepy at all. In a weird way, it's kind of cool that our house was built with little bits of the origianl inhabitant of the city.

You mean horses?

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Lizzy
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quote:
Originally posted by lynnejanet:
On the OT - there was a postmortem photo of a baby in our local paper this week. She was a preemie, and the obit included her photo. It was a bit shocking, at first, but more sad than anything.

Something like that was printed in an Iowa paper (my family lives there) a few months ago. They wrote up a long obit. about her favorite things, TV shows, etc, even though she was a stillborn baby. I guess they were talking about her time in the womb.

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quote:
Originally posted by lynnejanet:
On the OT - there was a postmortem photo of a baby in our local paper this week. She was a preemie, and the obit included her photo. It was a bit shocking, at first, but more sad than anything.

Something like that was printed in an Iowa paper (my family lives there) a few months ago. They wrote up a long obit. about her favorite things, TV shows, etc, even though she was a stillborn baby. I guess they were talking about her time in the womb.

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This was a common practice in the South (US). My grandmother had 11 children but only (!) nine survived infancy. I was looking through old family pictures with my aunt once when she quickly set aside the pictures of the "sleeping" infants with the comment that she didn't hold with keeping pictures of dead babies. But that was only one of many things that Grandma and Katie Lee didn't agree on.
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