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Comment: I have heard from a friend of mine (who heard it from her professors in college) that Old Roy can or once did pose a danger to dogs.
According to what she head, Old Roy is made partially from Old Roy himself. That is, the dog food contains parts of euthanized dogs. Euthaniza, of course, does not disperse or go inert, which is why when you have them put down, you must have them cremated (at least that is what I am told). According to her source, several dogs had died from the drug.
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quote:Mr. Eckhouse, an investigative reporter, writes: "Each year, millions of dead American dogs and cats are processed along with billions of pounds of other animal materials by companies known as renderers. The finished products -- tallow and meat meals -- serve as raw materials for thousands of items that include cosmetics and pet food." There were the usual denials by pet food executives. Yet federal and state agencies, including the Food and Drug Administration and medical groups such as the American Veterinary Medical Association and the California Veterinary Medical Association, confirm that pets, on a routine basis, are rendered after they die in animal shelters or are disposed of by health authorities, and the end product frequently finds its way into pet food.
I've never heard of Old Roy brand dog food, but if it's one of the cheaper brands it probably is made with rendered puppies and kitties. I got a dog a couple of months ago, so I did a lot of research into dog food/dog nutrition. I remember reading about sodium pentothal(?) in the rendered product, but I don't remember where I read this. I think the conclusion was along the lines of,"Yes, this drug IS present in the food but that won't necessarily cause harm."
In any case, I think feeding your dog this type of food would be like feeding your kid McDonald's- fed consistently over a long period, it will likely lead to poor health. If dogs were dropping dead after eating it, it wouldn't stay on the market long.
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The FDA did a study about this a while ago. I believe Ol Roy was one of the foods used. They tested the foods for drugs and found that many contained pentobarbital, which is a drug used in euthanasia. The food that tested positive for this were checked for the presence of dog and cat DNA, but none was found. They theorized the drug could have been from cows or even horses. The FDA concluded that the small amount of the drug would be unlikely to be harmful to pets. However some others have speculated that the presence of drugs in the food may contribute to the need to increase doses of these drugs or of anesthesia drugs to get them to work properly.
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Ol Roy dog food is WalMart's house brand. Apparently many years ago there was a problem with some toxins in the food. They came from the cereals used (corn, wheat etc.)This was a one time thing and is not ongoing. Recently another brand of dog food experienced the same problems. I think the brand was Black Diamond.And yes, dogs being carnivores and all, there is obviously ground-up something in their kibble!!It is always a matter of great debate what that "something" is!
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Just some FYI from my experience - I work for a state agriculture department and we do send animals for rendering. Our policy is cows, horses, llamas, and alpacas are sent for rendering that have: died of natural causes other than certain specific illnesses (like rabies), died accidentially other than poisoning, or haven't been euthanized. We do not send cats, dogs, poultry, other small animals, etc to rendering, ever.
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Some dog foods, especially the cheap brands, use things in their making that most people would be disgusted about. And yes, that does include the rendered bodies of euthanized dogs and cats. When my border terrier had to be put down, the vet asked me if I wanted him cremated or if I wanted them to just send him out for rendering. Yeah, I picked the cremation.
But the rendered bodies of euthanized animals aren't the only things that are dangerous for dogs in pre-processed kibble foods. Corn is often used as a filler and is undigestible by dogs and cats...its utterly useless to them as a nutrient. Sawdust, old wheat husks, meat 'meal' which can be anything from cancerous and infectious animals to hooves, bones, feathers, beaks, claws, and slaughterfloor sweepings. All go into pet food.
And its why I don't feed my animals that stuff any more.
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My dogs are on a raw food diet. They get human grade meats such as chicken, beef, lamb, fish, rabbit, and duck, liver, heart and other organ meats, and some vegetables (very little). I switched them over after EXTENSIVE research (and I don't recommend anyone switching their dogs or cats without researching researching researching).
The way I figure it, when I see kibble growing wild on trees, I'll figure dogs were meant to eat it.
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ravyn, don't you mean running wild in herds?
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Dog food made from dogs? If any dog eats it, then it would be canine cannibalism!
Fortunately for my Barney the Beagle, we would only feed him Alpo-type dog food--the kind that comes from cans! It is usually made from horse meat. Dogs are carnivorous, and horses are herbivorous, and carnivores eat herbivores.
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Comment: A friend of mine asserts that Pedigree brand dog food is actually made from euthanized kennel pets that have been chemically treated to neutralize the euthanization drugs so that dogs eating it won't get sick. I was told that you could also find hair in Pedigree food that proves that it's made from other dead dogs. I think this is pretty dubious.
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My mother is huge advocate of raw food for dogs. She feeds her dogs raw chicken, turkey, eggs, beef, fish even yogart. The dogs love the food and they've never looked healthier. I reccommend it highly.
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A raw diet can be great for dogs, but it's more than just tossing them hunks of chicken... It does require some research and planning, so it's not for everyone. Personally I just find the best high-quality good-ingredients commercial dog food I can (Pinnacle, Brightlife, Timberwolf, Wysong, Nature's Variety, Wellness, etc) and feed that as I can't feed a raw food diet currently.
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It is true that our pet meat foods are processed meat and other stuff like pork poultry and seafood, but to say it comes from dead dogs and cats?
Maybe we should ask Pedigree to explain the ingredients to see if they missed something before jumping to conclusions that the saying "dog eat dog" is a fact. Or that we found a finger in the meat sauce.
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Gack! Humans get Kuru from eating organs of their dearly departed (which is why, in cannibal societies, only the women are given those parts). Cows get "Mad Cow". what are they going to call it when pets start falling over and seizing?
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quote:posted by ravynwriter When my border terrier had to be put down, the vet asked me if I wanted him cremated or if I wanted them to just send him out for rendering.
What kind of vet would ask that? My dogs' vet is a compassionate guy, I can't imagine a vet saying that to someone after they had to have a pet put down.
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Two of my childhood cats were euthanized. (The other two died natural deaths.) After each one went, my parents had the option of keeping the remains for burial, or sending them along to the humane society for cremation. If the subject of rendering had been brought up, I probably would've gone nuts on the vet.
Yech. The very concept is disgusting. That's part of someone's family.
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FYI - If you haven't already, check your dog and cat food labels for "animal digest" ... It's Dung! Even some of the "Vet recommended" foods have it. Article that talks about this
I recently had to switch my dog to new food (she's allergic to chicken) and pointed this out to my vet when he suggested the brand he carries in his office and he had a fit. I now have my poochie on a holistic specialty food.
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In Canada the use of "veterinary waste" from small animal clinics is not permitted. On the two occasions (in Quebec in the 1980's) when this was found to be occurring, the two companies were running a rendering service AND a cremation service. They decided, "why run the crematorium when we add these remains to the protein mix?". HUGE fines ensued and they were required to close down their cremation service.
This rumour hits the internet every now and then, but it always refers back to those two cases.
Having said that, I have been disappointed in the number of high-end pet foods whose ingredient panels start off with "corn grits" and the first meat ingredient is "digest". The least they could do is make meat the first ingredient.
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That seems like poor marketing.
