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Comment: Do proceeds from Old Navy stores support witchcraft or satanic
organizations? My son-in-law has told me he has heard this and will no
longer allow his wife to shop there.

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...There are still people who believe stuff like this out there?

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Well, I don't shop at places that have the "Jesus Fish" on their signs, so that's fair...

Seriously, though, after poking around on the GAP and Old Navy websites, I'm now more inclined to actually do business with them (I've been in an Old Navy exactly once, and a Gap Outlet twice). According to their site, they seem to want to avoid the whole sweatshop game and even monitor their factories (something Nike can't seem to grasp), they have environmentally sensitive policies, and they do community outreach programs. Yep, if that's all evil and satanic, I guess it's a good thing I'm agnostic and don't care. [Wink]

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NeeCD, the thing about the "Jesus Fish" that bothers me is that I wonder if the people displaying it are sincere Christians or if they are using that symbol to bring in business. I'm a little suspicious of it because it seems to me that they are commercializing their faith, so I tend not to do business with those places, either.

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[hijack]Does it bother no one else that the person who made the original comment seems unphased by the fact that his/her daughter is being told where she is and is not allowed to shop by her husband?[/hijack]

Anywho, I've heard that same kind of comment made but it was about Hot Topic not Old Navy which would be slightly more logical if logic ever played a role in topics like this. However the person who said this to me is one of those who believes that if you aren't displaying a "Jesus fish" somewhere on your person then you must be part of some death worshiping satanic cult so I tend not to pay too much attention to such comments from her.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drama Queen Of Mars:
[hijack]Does it bother no one else that the person who made the original comment seems unphased by the fact that his/her daughter is being told where she is and is not allowed to shop by her husband?[/hijack]

That bothered the heck out of me... it also bugged me that the person referred to the couple as "my son-in-law" and "his wife" and not "my daughter."

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
NeeCD, the thing about the "Jesus Fish" that bothers me is that I wonder if the people displaying it are sincere Christians or if they are using that symbol to bring in business. I'm a little suspicious of it because it seems to me that they are commercializing their faith, so I tend not to do business with those places, either.

Signora, I was being flippant, but there was a grain of seriousness in my first statement, and you've nailed it. As I said, I'm agnostic, but it really does bother me when people use a religious symbol in a commercial way (excluding actual religious businesses, of course - every Christian bookstore I've ever seen uses a crucifix somewhere in their advertising, for example). Having said that, if I were doing business with someone already and discovered that they were doing this, I wouldn't necessarily boycott them, but it would make me think twice about initiating a business transaction with such a company.

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If I wanted to "support witchcraft," where would I send the money? Is there a National Witchcraft Council or something? Are they non-profit?

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Well, I would start with handing some cash over to my Wiccan cube neighbor at work. [Razz]

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If I wanted to "support witchcraft," where would I send the money? Is there a National Witchcraft Council or something? Are they non-profit?

Make the cheques out to Campain Against Satanist Harrasment (or CASH for short) and send it to me. I'll make sure it gets to where it's needed.

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I saw that gag on The Beverly Hillbillies. The putative organization was "Citizens Against Super-Highways," as I recall.

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Never been to a Old Navy. Other than clothing I do not know what thay sell.

Maybe they just put out the halloween decorations a week earlier than some other stores.

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quote:
Originally posted by lazerus the duck:
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If I wanted to "support witchcraft," where would I send the money? Is there a National Witchcraft Council or something? Are they non-profit?

Make the cheques out to Campain Against Satanist Harrasment (or CASH for short) and send it to me. I'll make sure it gets to where it's needed.
Or, you could send it to me. Several people think that I'm just an old witch. [lol]

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I wonder if the person posing the question bothered to ask her daughter's husband for support for his allegation, if only a "Oh? Where did you hear that?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Sara at home:
I wonder if the person posing the question bothered to ask her daughter's husband for support for his allegation, if only a "Oh? Where did you hear that?"

The implication would be that this was likely an "older" person, though, obviously, not enlightened. Thus likely to accept everything as gospel (pun intended), without asking questions.

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As a witch I'll be happy to take your money snopes, It could go in my fix-the-familiar fund

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My husband hates Old Navy because he thinks their ads are insanely obnoxious. Since we haven't got TV, I don't know where he's watching all these ads, but anyway... now I have an excuse "See honey I have to shop there, they support witches!" [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
NeeCD, the thing about the "Jesus Fish" that bothers me is that I wonder if the people displaying it are sincere Christians or if they are using that symbol to bring in business. I'm a little suspicious of it because it seems to me that they are commercializing their faith, so I tend not to do business with those places, either.

My brother was ripped off for thousands of dollars by people who proudly displayed the fish symbol on everything they owned, and later told him that he would never succeed in business because he wasn't a Christian.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drama Queen Of Mars:
Anywho, I've heard that same kind of comment made but it was about Hot Topic not Old Navy which would be slightly more logical if logic ever played a role in topics like this.

/hijack/ Surprisingly, Hot Topic is owned by the same company that owns Gap, Old Navy, and Banana Republic. If somewhere in the grapevine that the OP heard it from knew that, s/he could have twisted around the Hot Topic UL into a Gap Company UL. /End hijack/

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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey is a weather girl:
quote:
Originally posted by Drama Queen Of Mars:
Anywho, I've heard that same kind of comment made but it was about Hot Topic not Old Navy which would be slightly more logical if logic ever played a role in topics like this.

/hijack/ Surprisingly, Hot Topic is owned by the same company that owns Gap, Old Navy, and Banana Republic. If somewhere in the grapevine that the OP heard it from knew that, s/he could have twisted around the Hot Topic UL into a Gap Company UL. /End hijack/
Mickey, I'm curious where you got that information, because it conflicts with what I saw when I was looking earlier.

The Gap site lists Old Navy, Banana Republic, and Forth & Towne as brands, but not Hot Topic. Hot Topic's site says that it was started by Orv Madden in 1988 (Gap was started by Don Fischer in 1969), and has its own stock listing (HOTT) which I don't think it would if it were part of another company. Plus it doesn't mention being part of Gap Inc.

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NeeCD, the notion that Hot Topic is owned by Gap is a common legend around here, so it might be in other places as well. (I think the idea is the irony of it all. As in "If only those silly goth/alternative kids knew their money was going to their commercial arch-enemy -- the Gap!")

In fact, I had a disagreement with my husband over that very subject the other night. I tried pointing out that my Banana Republic card works at Gap and Old Navy, but not Hot Topic and he still wouldn't believe me.

So, thanks for the info. I think the stock symbol and the fact that the websites don't mention ownership means I might be winning this argument. Heh. [Wink]

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You're welcome. Of course, the fact that there isn't any mention of one another on their sites only proves how deep the evil conspiracy is. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
Comment: Do proceeds from Old Navy stores support witchcraft or satanic organizations? My son-in-law has told me he has heard this and will no longer allow his wife to shop there.

This no doubt recalls similar rumours involving McDonald's restaurants some 25 years ago, based on the (supposed) boast of a high-level executive from the chain claiming on Phil Donahue's show that they donate profits to the Church of Satan; remember those rumours?

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quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:
quote:
Originally posted by Mickey is a weather girl:
quote:
Originally posted by Drama Queen Of Mars:
Anywho, I've heard that same kind of comment made but it was about Hot Topic not Old Navy which would be slightly more logical if logic ever played a role in topics like this.

/hijack/ Surprisingly, Hot Topic is owned by the same company that owns Gap, Old Navy, and Banana Republic. If somewhere in the grapevine that the OP heard it from knew that, s/he could have twisted around the Hot Topic UL into a Gap Company UL. /End hijack/
Mickey, I'm curious where you got that information, because it conflicts with what I saw when I was looking earlier.

The Gap site lists Old Navy, Banana Republic, and Forth & Towne as brands, but not Hot Topic. Hot Topic's site says that it was started by Orv Madden in 1988 (Gap was started by Don Fischer in 1969), and has its own stock listing (HOTT) which I don't think it would if it were part of another company. Plus it doesn't mention being part of Gap Inc.

An ex of mine that worked for Old Navy while I was dating him told me that. They're affiliates or something. I don't know the details, and I haven't spoke to him since December of 2003, and I don't intend to speak to him now over something so trivial. Not trying to be snarky- I just have no desire to talk to him.

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I'd heard the "Banana Republic owns Hot Topic" thing before, but only as a UL. I believe a Gap employee posted something here about it before IIRC.

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quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:
quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
NeeCD, the thing about the "Jesus Fish" that bothers me is that I wonder if the people displaying it are sincere Christians or if they are using that symbol to bring in business. I'm a little suspicious of it because it seems to me that they are commercializing their faith, so I tend not to do business with those places, either.

Signora, I was being flippant, but there was a grain of seriousness in my first statement, and you've nailed it.
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*groan* And that's 1 pt. for Doug [Razz] (Pun was most definitely not intended.)

Mickey, I thought it might have been something like that (FOAF), and no, I wouldn't expect you to hunt down an ex for something like this. It isn't really important, I was just curious about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:
*groan* And that's 1 pt. for Doug [Razz] (Pun was most definitely not intended.)

Weee! I gotta point! I was just reading the JCS thread and remembering all of the puns in that story ("He's top of the poll (pole)").

[rant mode]I also have troubles with the "Christian" stores (the ones that display the fish). It really goes against what the fish meant. I guess most know this, but it was a SECRET sign that someone was a Christian, when being a Christian could get you killed (lion food and such). Now it has become a status symbol (on just about everything). I bet most of those fish would vanish if one could get ARRESTED or KILLED for be a Christian. A whole lot of them would make a major about face if they were faced with persecution ("Hey, I'm not really one of THOSE people, I just had that fish to get more business...").[/rant mode]

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quote:
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Originally posted by NeeCD:
*groan* And that's 1 pt. for Doug [Razz] (Pun was most definitely not intended.)

Weee! I gotta point! I was just reading the JCS thread and remembering all of the puns in that story ("He's top of the poll (pole)").

**double groan** I was trying so hard to ignore that, but what the heck.
[Big Grin] [lol] [lol] I nailed it! **gasping for breath** [lol] [lol] [Big Grin] Whew!

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug4.7:
quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:
*groan* And that's 1 pt. for Doug [Razz] (Pun was most definitely not intended.)

Weee! I gotta point! I was just reading the JCS thread and remembering all of the puns in that story ("He's top of the poll (pole)").

[rant mode]I also have troubles with the "Christian" stores (the ones that display the fish). It really goes against what the fish meant. I guess most know this, but it was a SECRET sign that someone was a Christian, when being a Christian could get you killed (lion food and such). Now it has become a status symbol (on just about everything). I bet most of those fish would vanish if one could get ARRESTED or KILLED for be a Christian. A whole lot of them would make a major about face if they were faced with persecution ("Hey, I'm not really one of THOSE people, I just had that fish to get more business...").[/rant mode]

But, but....don't they already face persecution, what with all those godless heathens saying "Happy Holidays" and refusing to let them make other people's kids pray?

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Hot Topic is it's own company. It is not owned by a larger corporation, and definitely is not affiliated in any way with The Gap, Old Navy, or Banana Republic (although those three stores ARE actually part of the same company).

It really is getting to be a common urban legend - I've heard customers mention it. I suppose it's meant to be ironic, but it just gets annoying after a while.

I remember a Newsweek article from a few years ago about the Gap and its sister stores. It had an illustration of their sales strategy and was quite interesting. Apparently they sell the same basic garment at all three stores, but in different configurations. At Old Navy, they might sell a polyester blouse with plastic buttons. At The Gap, the same basic blouse pattern would be sold, but in a nicer fabric with fancier trims and a higher price tag. At the Banana Republic, the blouse would be silk with pearl buttons and again, a higher price.

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quote:
Originally posted by A Plague of Nonny:
But, but....don't they already face persecution, what with all those godless heathens saying "Happy Holidays" and refusing to let them make other people's kids pray?

Oh yea, right... [Roll Eyes]

When I see Christians being fed to lions on FOX, THEN I will believe we are being persecuted...

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug4.7:
When I see Christians being fed to lions on FOX, THEN I will believe we are being persecuted...

Fox is feeding Christians to the lions? I'm so there, dude! [Razz]

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Originally posted by Doug4.7:
When I see Christians being fed to lions on FOX, THEN I will believe we are being persecuted...

Fox is feeding Christians to the lions? I'm so there, dude! [Razz]
Well, it might get them some good ratings...

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And now for something completely different...

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I'd pay to see that...

No! No! BAD Dragon! Of course I'm kidding. Though it sounds like it would be better than Celebrity Duets.

On the Jesus fish subject, I will always remember one time when my parents were visiting my little brother's elementary teacher (who they absolutely loved up until this point... and keep in mind that my little brother is about to graduate high school, so this was a while ago) and the subject of the fish came up. She mentioned to them that her husband had a hat with a fish that had grown legs with Darwin written on it (as if the point itself wasn't obvious enough). My parents came home in SHOCK I tell you SHOCK, whispering frantically to each other about how her husband was ungodly.

Too bad that I grew up to be a taoist...

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Tyger, Tyger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Hath framed thy fearful symmetry?

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