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Mystara
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I once stumbled on a web site which claimed that social security was a voluntary program, and that is you chose to not enroll, you not only lost the benefits, but you were also income tax exempt.

The sight, which sounded a bit like propaganda, did claim it was quoting tax laws.

Any truth to this?

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forceflow15
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S.S. is optional in that you do not have to accept benefits when they come. In addition, you could find ways around paying S.S. tax, but they require you to already have large sums of disposable cash at the ready. Unfortunately, no methods of earning money in the U.S. are entirely tax exempt (I am not an accountant, so if there ae a few someone correct me). Snopes would probably rank this as multiple T/F since it is correct in some ways but then goes off into the realm of dreams.

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Menolly
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Dreams are good, tho. Think of the possibilities for that extra money if this was true!

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From the IRS: The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments
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Some argue that they are not required to pay federal taxes because the payment of federal taxes is voluntary. Proponents of this position argue that our system of taxation is based upon voluntary assessment and payment.

The Law: The requirement to pay taxes is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in section 1 of the Internal Revenue Code, which imposes a tax on the taxable income of individuals, estates, and trusts as determined by the tables set forth in that section. (Section 11 imposes a tax on the taxable income of corporations.)

Furthermore, the obligation to pay tax is described in section 6151, which requires taxpayers to submit payment with their tax returns. Failure to pay taxes could subject the noncomplying individual to criminal penalties, including fines and imprisonment, as well as civil penalties.

See also Valldejuli v. Social Security Administration (1994):
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Plaintiff states in his complaint that he does not want to participate in the social security system or have a social security number [FN1]. Plaintiff claims he was fraudulently induced into signing a "contract" with the Social Security Administration when he was eleven years old, and now he seeks to void that contract. Plaintiff also makes several additional allegations in his complaint, including the following: that he is not a citizen of the Federal United States, but a natural sovereign citizen of the United States not subject to the Social Security system; that it is unlawful for anyone to issue anything identifying him by his social security number; and that requiring Plaintiff to have a social security number denies him the right to work. Plaintiff therefore is seeking a declaratory judgment pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 57 that would require Defendants to respond to Plaintiff's service of a "declaration, codicil, statement and revocation" (attachment A to complaint, doc. 1) that would effectively take Plaintiff out of the Social Security system.

FN1. Such claims have frequently been the subject of suits in federal court. See generally United States v. Kaun, 633 F. Supp. 406, 411-18 (E.D.Wis. 1986) (tax protest organization enjoined from promoting plans to avoid payment of income and social security taxes because such payments were "voluntary" in nature).

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4. This cause is remanded to the Magistrate Judge for the purpose of determining if sanctions should be imposed upon Plaintiff for filing a frivolous lawsuit, and if so, the amount of those sanctions.

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quote:
Originally posted by Menolly:
Think of the possibilities for that extra money if this was true!

Yeah and then think of the benefits you'll lose. Look at all the extra money you'll have to pay just to make sure you're in the same position that you were in while you were still paying taxes.

Then your outgoings will creep up to match your income as your lifestyle adjusts to this "extra" money. Then you'll just be in the same position, apart from you're squandering your own money rather than giving it to the government, where it would do some good to someone.

Taxes are necessary. Don't let anybody fool you into thinking you'd be better off without them. You might find them slightly distasteful but your arguement shouldn't be with the amount of tax you pay, but with what the government then does with that money.

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Internet Myths about Social Sedurity from the SSA
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Myth 1: President Roosevelt promised that participation in the program would be completely voluntary

Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes.

In the early years of the program, however, only about half the jobs in the economy were covered by Social Security. Thus one could work in non-covered employment and not have to pay FICA taxes (and of course, one would not be eligible to collect a future Social Security benefit). In that indirect sense, participation in Social Security was voluntary. However, if a job was covered, or became covered by subsequent law, then if a person worked at that job, participation in Social Security was mandatory.

There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.



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Nion
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quote:
Originally posted by hudders:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Menolly:
[qb]You might find them slightly distasteful but your arguement shouldn't be with the amount of tax you pay, but with what the government then does with that money.

Sixteen-thousand dollar hammers, anyone? [Big Grin]

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carveice
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we won't get any of it either!

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Menolly
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quote:
Originally posted by RelicMan:
quote:
Originally posted by hudders:
You might find them slightly distasteful but your arguement shouldn't be with the amount of tax you pay, but with what the government then does with that money.

Sixteen-thousand dollar hammers, anyone? [Big Grin]
Hmm. So, where do I apply for the job of shopping for the government? I'm not picky, any branch will do. Bet I could get those hammers for sixteen Hundred dollars!

Men"I love to find bargains"olly

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forceflow15
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quote:
Originally posted by RelicMan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hudders:
[qb] Sixteen-thousand dollar hammers, anyone? [Big Grin]

Those sixteen thousand dollar hammers are actually covering the fifteen thousand nine hundred and ninety five dollar secret program to capture terrorists, sponsored by the CIA. Secret operations cannot be openly placed in the DoD's budget because it would invite unwanted and harmful attention.

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Moeko'sOwl
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quote:
Originally posted by forceflow15:
quote:
Originally posted by RelicMan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hudders:
[qb] Sixteen-thousand dollar hammers, anyone? [Big Grin]

Those sixteen thousand dollar hammers are actually covering the fifteen thousand nine hundred and ninety five dollar secret program to capture terrorists, sponsored by the CIA. Secret operations cannot be openly placed in the DoD's budget because it would invite unwanted and harmful attention.
Cite, please?

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diddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Moeko'sOwl:
quote:
Originally posted by forceflow15:
quote:
Originally posted by RelicMan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hudders:
[qb] Sixteen-thousand dollar hammers, anyone? [Big Grin]

Those sixteen thousand dollar hammers are actually covering the fifteen thousand nine hundred and ninety five dollar secret program to capture terrorists, sponsored by the CIA. Secret operations cannot be openly placed in the DoD's budget because it would invite unwanted and harmful attention.
Cite, please?
Sorry, Section six, paragaraph 5. Need to know. Im sure you understand. (5 points for refrence)

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Moeko'sOwl
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*Laughs* Nice one, Diddy!

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forceflow15
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This is standard procedure in the DoD's yearly budget. They willingly admit that certain charges must be hidden to protect the secert nature of the activities that money funds.

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Forceflow

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