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Midgard_Dragon
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quote:
Originally posted by Jinxie:
My son got an MP3 player, and I am trying to figure out where I can get music for it. SOmeone told me limewire is free. The first thing out of my mouth is then it can't be legal. I know that you pay for limewire pro but I am thinking you are paying for the software not the music.

So Is there somewhere I can go and pay XX per month to download music? I am trying to avoid places that are 99 per song because I don't want 200 $1 charges on my debit card.


Help please.

Just reiterating what has been said. LimeWire, the program, is legal to own and use. Yes, LimeWire, the program is free, if you use the basic version. Also, the content you download is free. This is illegal if it is copyrighted, but one can use LimeWire for doing other things rather than downlaing copyrighted material. Therefore, LimeWire=not illegal, what you do with it=may be illegal. When you download and install LimeWire, it asks you to agree to not download copyrighted material. Of course they can't really control this, and just about everyone does use it for some sort of downloading of music.

As for services to download MP3s, iTunes seems to be your best bet if you're just using the MP3's for his MP3 player, but they do cost 99c, and I think that's pretty much what they cost everywhere. I'm sure others have already corrected me if I'm wrong on that.

Hope he enjoys the MP3 player, I know I'm digging my iPod Shuffle, but I'm mostly using music ripped from my own CDs and occassionally downloading one or two not-so-legal songs here in there (most of which I either own on a compilation CD and didn't want to rip the whole one, will buy the CD of eventually, or just isn't worth buying the CD of based on listening before buying.)

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Originally posted by Llewtrah:
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Originally posted by Signora Del Drago, G.R.I.T.S.:
So, it sounds like merely downloading freebies for your own use won't get you in trouble, but the file-sharing aspect will. Is that correct? [Confused]

No. Simply downloading music which has not released into the public domain by its owner/creator is illegal. Sharing may get you into trouble sooner, but downloading also gets you sued.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3140160.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3022858.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3096340.stm

The above cases were all against people who downloaded music.

Technically, you're right. They can and do go after downloaders. However, even in one of your example links, if you read carefully, the person downloaded and shared the 2000 songs. The third one may well have done the same, even though it doesn't say, and the second one is not a specific example.

These programs will by default upload anything in your download directory. So unless you reconfigure it, once you download you become an uploader. So when you hear these stories of people getting in trouble for downloading, often the reason they were actually being sued is the uploading that they weren't even aware of.

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Frankly I don't use any of the music download sites as they cripple the music in DRM, making it near enough useless for my needs. I was a reasonable early adopter in the MP3 player market, and thus cannot play DRM protected music on my player. Plus I find the general concept of DRM to be disagreeable. So usually Irip music directly from the CD. In the UK this is still technically illegal, although the industry has publicly stated that it does not intend to prosecute anyone for this, and these restrictions are currently due to be removed in the next copyright review.

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quote:
Originally posted by Midgard_Dragon:
As for services to download MP3s, iTunes seems to be your best bet if you're just using the MP3's for his MP3 player, but they do cost 99c, and I think that's pretty much what they cost everywhere. I'm sure others have already corrected me if I'm wrong on that.

Just a clarification here. Songs purchased from the iTunes music store are in protected AAC format (.m4p) which can only be played in iTunes or on an iPod. To play them on another kind of player, they would have to be converted to MP3 or some other format the player can play. The only way to convert a protected AAC file is to burn it to an audio CD in iTunes and then re-import it in the format of your choosing.

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Yeah, I was vaguely aware of that. Wouldn't one be able to "burn" to a virtual CD drive using something like Daemon and thus avoid wasting CD's, though?

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I use Rhapsody myself but just the free version right now. For 14.99 a month you can get unlimited transfers to an mp3 player and unlimited plays on your computer. In addition, members recieve 10% off on purchased tracks bringing them down to as little as 89 cents per track.

http://www.rhapsody.com/home.html

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The site that screwed our old computer was Kazaa (sp). If you want to hear the music before buying a CD, you can go to Amazon.com (and other online stores) and look up an album, most have music clips so you can get an idea of the tune but you don't get the entire song.

Jinxie, I keep forgetting to ask the name of the service but I imagine if you Google something like "music downloads" or something you will find plenty. Just be aware of things others have mentioned, especially being able to keep the songs after you DL them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jenn:
quote:
Originally posted by Morrigan:
I've read a couple of your posts and found them offensive.

That's enough of that. That, and please, learn how to spell/type.

You're the board police now? I must have missed that memo. "That's enough of that" indeed, Morrigan.
Ummmmm.....The quote that I thought was in my post wasn't. Between the first and second lines was the quote where he said that the girl's got the virus by looking up porn. That was what the "that's enough of that."

I never claimed to be the board police, either, Jenn.

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Originally posted by Morrigan:
I never claimed to be the board police, either, Jenn.

You claimed it by your actions. You're trying to dictate the behavior of others by giving orders about what they should and shouldn't say because you personally find them offensive. That's awfully self-appointed police to me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Midgard_Dragon:
Yeah, I was vaguely aware of that. Wouldn't one be able to "burn" to a virtual CD drive using something like Daemon and thus avoid wasting CD's, though?

Possibly, if iTunes recognizes it as a blank CD and can "burn" to it.

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Midgard_Dragon
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quote:
Originally posted by LittleDuck:
The site that screwed our old computer was Kazaa (sp). If you want to hear the music before buying a CD, you can go to Amazon.com (and other online stores) and look up an album, most have music clips so you can get an idea of the tune but you don't get the entire song.

Jinxie, I keep forgetting to ask the name of the service but I imagine if you Google something like "music downloads" or something you will find plenty. Just be aware of things others have mentioned, especially being able to keep the songs after you DL them.

Nitpick: Kazaa is a file-sharing program, not a website. Kazaa screws up computers because it's bundled with spyware and adware. Kazaa Lite may do slightly less damage, but no one uses Kazaa anymore. LimeWire has none of these problems and does not screw up your computer, so it all comes down to wether or not you use it for copyright infringement and wether or not that irritates your moral compass when deciding to use it or not.

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most have music clips so you can get an idea of the tune but you don't get the entire song.
This is one of my biggest problems with most pay-per-download services. How do I know a song isn't going to turn into a rendition of Sesame Street by the end? I prefer being able to listen to the whole song.

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Originally posted by Not_Done_Living:
Oh adn as for spyware etc.. you prolly didn't get it from limewire.. i have used it for 2 years without any issues.. you prolly got it from the porn sites and warez sites your 15 year old visits.

Nice. Not every 15 yr old visits porn sites. And what are "warez" sites?

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I'm with Ryda, I use limewire for "testdriving." I don't own an mp3 player, and I'm not in any rush to buy one. Sure, there's some conveniences to them, but overall I'm just as happy with cds. more so, in fact, because - and maybe I'm just old before my time - I just prefer having a tangible "thing" in my hand when I own something. If I'm going to pay money for it, I want to have an "it" that I can grab on to. I want the actual cd. I want the album art. I want the thought and planning that went into the ordering of the songs on it. and everything else that makes an actual album cd great.

So my goal is not to amass a bunch of mp3s. my goal is to collect a bunch of cds that I like. But at $20 cdn a pop, I cannot afford to test drive the actual disc. So I download a number of the tracks off of limewire, listen for a couple weeks, and if I like them, I usually buy the disc.

On the whole, this method has helped me both to buy more discs, and to like more of the discs that I buy.

Sure, you can listen to a little bit of the clip on amazon, but that's just not enough of a test drive for me. The quality is really bad, and the clip is usually only 20 seconds long. I want to listen to the whole song, and I want to listen to it many times. That's what I call a test drive.

What the music industry should do for people like me is set up a download site where you can download any new song for free, but program the file so that it expires after say two weeks. That would allow people like me to get a good test drive, while they don't have to worry about the proliferation of more illegal music.

Meanwhile,

I've used limewire in this way for over a year now, and experienced no viruses or spyware or any other such problems.

Also, I think the reason people resist calling illegal file sharing "stealing" is because quite simply it is not. Stealing, by definition, involves taking a thing that is not yours. When I download an illegal song, I am not taking it; the original is still right where I found it. Rather, I am making a copy of it. The problem is that I am not legally allowed to make that copy. But making an illegal copy is not stealing, it is counterfeiting. I think we should take the time to be precise in our thinking about these things.

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But...
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I tend to use Limewire as a virtual juke-box. Usually I have the track on CD or vinyl, but seconds for the download seems preferable to ploughing through a couple of hundred CD's to locate the one I want, mounting it, launching a player and locating the track.

I've never had a problem with it in terms of malware.

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quote:
Originally posted by callee:


Also, I think the reason people resist calling illegal file sharing "stealing" is because quite simply it is not. Stealing, by definition, involves taking a thing that is not yours. When I download an illegal song, I am not taking it; the original is still right where I found it. Rather, I am making a copy of it. The problem is that I am not legally allowed to make that copy. But making an illegal copy is not stealing, it is counterfeiting. I think we should take the time to be precise in our thinking about these things.


That is an interesting point. I think it is "stealing" because the money that would be used by the consumer isn't giving the money due the copyright owner for the license to the music.

I can see how "counterfeiting" could be used, though.

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Also, I think the reason people resist calling illegal file sharing "stealing" is because quite simply it is not. Stealing, by definition, involves taking a thing that is not yours. When I download an illegal song, I am not taking it; the original is still right where I found it. Rather, I am making a copy of it. The problem is that I am not legally allowed to make that copy. But making an illegal copy is not stealing, it is counterfeiting. I think we should take the time to be precise in our thinking about these things.


That is an interesting point. I think it is "stealing" because the money that would be used by the consumer isn't giving the money due the copyright owner for the license to the music.

I can see how "counterfeiting" could be used, though.

I see your point, but at the same time, traditional counterfeiting (i.e. the copying of money) also produces financial loss for others. In either case, downloading unlicenced music is obviously a new kind of action, and as such no previous terminology will be a perfect 100% fit, but I think "counterfeiting" is a much, much closer match than general "stealing."

This is more than semantics, I think. Using imprecise terminology simply creates a strawman for proponents to knock down, and thereby (falsely) think they have justified themselves.

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I remember the days when the "Album Rock" show was on the radio every Saturday night at midnight. The DJ would read the album name, then list the songs in order... very... slowly... so everyone could write them down.

The DJ would go to commercials for a minute, then repeat the songs again... just in case anyone missed them. He would then begin the official show, by saying that between song XX and song YY, there would be a pause for station identification. "We will now have ten seconds of dead air so you can get your tape players going."

And the show was begun.

The origin of file sharing. I loved that program!
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I use Limewire to get music - but only for test-driving. A new CD comes out and I will wait a week or two, then download a song or two to see if I actually LIKE the group/album. If so, then I blow the $15 to buy it. If not, I delete the songs and go on to something else.

There are viruses and spyware on Limewire - but if you use a checker before you actually double click on any of the downloaded songs, you are safe.
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I'm waiting for RIAA to start suing people who LEND people their CDs to listen to. With their ideas to make music one-shot items, or XX-play items that delete themselves after XX plays, I have grown to despise the RIAA.

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