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Toys for big boys.
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Everyone here can debate in a mature manner, and not resort to name-calling.

There is a general respect for the right to have one's own opinion.

The use of vowels in words.

You're all rather smart.

So give yourselves a round of appluase and have some hugs and digestive biccies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Toys for big boys.:
Everyone here can debate in a mature manner, and not resort to name-calling.

There is a general respect for the right to have one's own opinion.

The use of vowels in words.

You're all rather smart.

So give yourselves a round of appluase and have some hugs and digestive biccies.

Cite? [Big Grin]

But seriously, I agree. Though things sometimes get heated, I am always impressed by the level of discussion on this board. And when I show off the knowledge I gain here IRL, it makes me look like a real braniac to my friends and coworkers! [lol]

I raise my glass to you all (though at this time in the morning, it's actually a coffee cup).

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You want a cite, you got a CITE!!

I agree with this as well. I know I've said it before, but what I like is that in Thread A, we can be screaming and yelling at each other, but in Thread B, the SAME people are having a polite discussion of fluffy kittens or something else innocuous. I've seen this repeatedly and from many of the people here.

Yeah - this is a GREAT site (and cite!)!! I honestly blame snopes, Jenn, 4K and Barbara for the civility on here, even when we are being uncivil. [Wink]

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If you want a great cite, just take a look at any Yahoo message board.
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I feel the same way. Especially considering I only frequent two other boards. The Chud boards where everyone is an elitist movie snob and the Gamefaqs boards which have to be seen to be believed.

I've never said it before but I really do respect this place. Even when someone has an opinion I disagree with.

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quote:
The use of vowels in words.
Vwls? W dn't nd n stnkng vwls! [Smile]

Ah, but I love Snopes, too.

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violetbon
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I'd like to add the following to the O.P.'s list of reasons why Snopes is great.

Responses are generally written in complete sentences! [Smile]

I really do enjoy the variety of well-thought-out viewpoints expressed here. Whether I'm in agreement with them or not, it's difficult to go wrong when gaining a better understanding of the world, its issues and its inhabitants.

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Thought is the classic reason I love this place. Reason and logic are the coins of the realm, and that is as it should be. I love this place! [Big Grin]

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I quite agree. Hooray for the home team!

Kilgore (Hw mch tm d U Xly sv by lmn8ng vwls, nywy?) Trout

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violetbon
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Hey now, U is a vowel!
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Silly! U is a word now!

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quote:
Originally posted by violetbon:
Responses are generally written in complete sentences! [Smile]

Very true, but the thing that REALLY sets this board apart is that the complete sentences here are made up by real words that are spelled and punctuated correctly as well.
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going slightly mad
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A short hijack because we are sort of talking about grammar already, I often notice in stories and posts I read on the internet that people use the word of instead of have (I of done this before.), this is really annoying me at times but I have seen it so often lately that I have to wonder, is this in any way legitimate in English? Is there perhaps something I have missed because I'm not a native speaker and have been annoyed about something that is not an error? I would be very grateful if someone could answer this for me.

All right, back on track now, cheers and hooray for this board.

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Toys for big boys.
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going slightly mad, I have noticed that too. I don't think there's been a sudden change. I've even seen it on signs in shops.

This board restores my faith in humanity. Especially after going on the imdb.com boards.

Somebody on the Casino Royale board has decided Mr D Crais is a Nazi, because he has pale blonde hair and ultra blue eyes...

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Silas Sparkhammer
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quote:
Originally posted by going slightly mad:
A short hijack because we are sort of talking about grammar already, I often notice in stories and posts I read on the internet that people use the word of instead of have (I of done this before.), this is really annoying me at times but I have seen it so often lately that I have to wonder, is this in any way legitimate in English?

Nope. Absolutely incorrect.

It arises, I think, from the common contracted form.

"I could have been famous." This is valid. (Also true!)

"I could've been famous." This is a contraction, and is also acceptable.

"I could of been famous." This is wrong, wrong, wrong! It *sounds* similar to "could've" but it is *not* the un-contracted form of the contraction! It is an ignorant expansion, and should not be tolerated.

violetbon: "Sentence fragments. Good idea. Will be used again later." [Wink]

Toys for Big Boys: Aye, we have our grumpy days too. I'm not shy about ripping into someone who has sinned. Lord (and snopes) alone know how near I've come to being put in the penalty box for cooling off; were it to happen, I at least would know I deserved it.

But it is at least true that seriously rude people just do not last long here.

Silas (ignorance, on the other hand, is curable!)

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Thanks for clearing this up Silas and Toys for big boys. I'm glad I was right on the matter, else I would have felt very embarrassed and guilty as I told quite a few people off for using it [Wink] .

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1958Fury
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I love it here too. On any given message board, I usually feel like the smartest one there. Or possibly just the only adult. But at Snopes, I feel like the dumbest one here. Which is fine, it means I learn things.

Of course, being a video game geek, I come across a lot of boards where the typical exchange is something along the lines of "Sega sucks!" "No, Nintendo sucks!" "Sony rulez!" etc, etc. But even so, I've been on enough "grown-up" boards to know that Snopes is one of the best ones out there.

Heck, I even have a board of my own, and I still like this one better [Razz] I'm even considering stealing a couple of Snopes' usage rules (like the one about not announcing it if you're leaving) for my own board.

Course, there's always room for improvement. A few things I hate on the Snopes message boards:

1. When threads degenerate into the "arguing about how to argue" phase. Hoping to catch each other in contradictions, people will post, "Here you said this... But here you said that...", or arguing about who was replying to whose post, etc. We end up with a whole mess of posts that are completely worthless to read.

2. People who say, "Did you actually read my post?" Well of course they read your post, or they wouldn't be arguing with it. They just happen to disagree. Were you so sure your post would change everyone's mind, that if they still disagree, they must not have read it? My, what an ego. Or "If you had read my post, you would know that already." Well, maybe you worded it badly. Or maybe they just don't believe you. And why should they? You're just another voice on the web, and the web is full of misinformation.

3. People who think everything is directed at them.
Person A: "I've never really enjoyed riding tauntauns."
Person B: "I like tauntauns, though. They have really soft fur."
Person A: "When did I say they weren't soft? Did you even read my post? I never said they weren't soft!"

4. The word "strawman". I used to only hate it when it was used incorrectly, but now I've become sick of it altogether, to the point where I just skip to the next post whenever I see the word. For the record, Strawman means, "a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted" (Dictionary.com). It does not simply mean, "a bad argument" or "faulty logic". I think some people like to use strawman because they think it makes them sound smarter. It doesn't.

5. Insulting chows. This isn't common, usually chows are short and sweet; just a couple of words linking to the other thread. But occasionally the chow-er gets ticked off, and says, "Don't you ever search for these before you post?" I'm sorry, but even Snopes admits that this message board has a lousy search engine, and sometimes threads are in categories that aren't quite intuitive. It can take a good twenty minutes to search each and every category, only to still miss it because you searched for "dogs" when the thread only uses the word "dalmatians". On the other hand, make sure you do at least make some attempt at searching before starting the thread. For instance, if you link to an article that's three months old, you can be pretty sure it's already been covered here.

6. Stupid cite requests. If someone says, "Christians make up 98% of the world's population," sure, definitely, ask for a cite. But if someone says, "There's a lot of Christians in the world," please don't ask for a cite.

But really, that's about it. At least, that's all I can pull off the top of my head. With most boards, I could count 20 dislikes without even slowing down.

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I'm with 1958Fury to a point, here. Yes, this board rocks the jigglies, but still . . .

Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE. I mean, it's okay to be opinionated, but it's like some people go on a mission to be miserable and bitchy wherever they can on this forum. I'm not naming names, though.

I also know there is rantidote for people to go be bitchy in. Even that has turned rather violently nasty lately. I am seeing people who are simply trying to blow off some steam and/or seeking genuine help get gutted and decimated by other Snopesters that can't believe the OP would think in a certain frame of mind.

I've had this personally happen to me. I saw people throwing off such seething, bitter hatred at me that it literally brought me to tears. I requested the topic be locked and came within a hair's breadth of not returning to the board at all. I think people sometimes forget that there's a real person behind that screen name and you can actually hurt their feelings.

Don't get me wrong, this board is outstanding. I am also seeing signs of it becoming a place of bickering, arguing, and sour feelings. Go ahead and argue, but don't do it everywhere you possibly can, please! Sometimes some of us want to be happy, ya know? [Wink]

ETF: faulty programming

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quote:
Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE. I mean, it's okay to be opinionated, but it's like some people go on a mission to be miserable and bitchy wherever they can on this forum.
*Psihala waits patiently for the obligatory disagreement post*

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Gosh, here was a nice thread about what's good about snopes, and Nion has to go and start arguing about what's wrong with the board!

[Razz]

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Nion
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quote:
Originally posted by Logoboros:
Gosh, here was a nice thread about what's good about snopes, and Nion has to go and start arguing about what's wrong with the board!

[Razz]

--Logoboros

Actually . . . 1958Fury started up with what's wrong with the board. [fish]

I just used his post as a springboard. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by 1958Fury:
1. When threads degenerate into the "arguing about how to argue" phase....

2. People who say, "Did you actually read my post?"...

3. People who think everything is directed at them...

4. The word "strawman"...

5. Insulting chows...

6. Stupid cite requests...

The difference is on Snopes, those things are rare enough to be annoying. On the IMDB message board or the typical Yahoo chatroom, those are the entire conversation.

I think it speaks very well for all of us that we well mannered enough so that the occasional rudeness sticks out.

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I agree with what was said here, both in favor of and the "gripes" (?) about the board.

This is the one and only messageboard I belong to because of the fact that it is so mature and decent. I've found that most other messageboards are just people cursing and being rude to one another.

I know one thing, I'm not going anywhere. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Psihala:
quote:
Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE. I mean, it's okay to be opinionated, but it's like some people go on a mission to be miserable and bitchy wherever they can on this forum.
*Psihala waits patiently for the obligatory disagreement post*

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No, no, no: it was "Up on the Rooftop, Kitap tap tap!"

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2. People who say, "Did you actually read my post?" Well of course they read your post, or they wouldn't be arguing with it. They just happen to disagree. Were you so sure your post would change everyone's mind, that if they still disagree, they must not have read it? My, what an ego. Or "If you had read my post, you would know that already." Well, maybe you worded it badly. Or maybe they just don't believe you. And why should they? You're just another voice on the web, and the web is full of misinformation.
I don't see people, generally, asking "have you read my post" in a way that indicates that "if you read my post you would know you are WRONG and I am right". It's used most often because, well, it doesn't sound like the person actually did read the post.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nion:
Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE.

I don't argue! I try to avoid arguments as often as possible! And I am aware of how ironic it is that I am arguing with you now! lol [fish]

All kidding aside, this is a great place. Once of the best boards I belong to.

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On the "Did you actually read my post?" issue:

Another form this takes that bugs me is when someone makes a post full of innuendo and loaded language and then, when called on it, insists that their position should only be interpreted based on a strictly literal reading of each sentence of their post.

Though, that said, it's also a problem when posters too easily assume they know what another poster "really thinks" and starts attacking them for the imagined stereotype that poster fits rather than dealing with the actual claims being made.

And, in some cases, both of these situations occur simultaneously, when someone does post a "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" comment, and then someone responds nonetheless having made too many poor assumptions.

--Logoboros

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quote:
Originally posted by Christie:
I don't see people, generally, asking "have you read my post" in a way that indicates that "if you read my post you would know you are WRONG and I am right". It's used most often because, well, it doesn't sound like the person actually did read the post.

I think you're right. And it is easy to make mistakes in reading.

Once, I called a big nasty "Bullshit!" on Pogue...because I had missed the word "not" in his post! (As if he had said, "Two plus two is not five," and I missed the "not.") Oops!

This, of course, only mitigates in favor of a straightforward or documentary style of language, preserving clinical accuracy, over the more ornate, Germanic style of paragraphic rhetoric, rich with subordinate clauses, such as favored by certain of our more rhodomantic pseudo-intellectuals, the names of whom it would be unwise (and immodest) to mention.

Silas

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quote:
Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
This, of course, only mitigates in favor of a straightforward or documentary style of language, preserving clinical accuracy, over the more ornate, Germanic style of paragraphic rhetoric, rich with subordinate clauses, such as favored by certain of our more rhodomantic pseudo-intellectuals, the names of whom it would be unwise (and immodest) to mention.

Silas

Man... if pseudo-intellectualism was banned, I'd never be able to post here again!

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1958Fury
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quote:
Originally posted by Christie:
[QUOTE] I don't see people, generally, asking "have you read my post" in a way that indicates that "if you read my post you would know you are WRONG and I am right". It's used most often because, well, it doesn't sound like the person actually did read the post.

I've seen both, and you're right - the latter is probably more common than the former. But the former still happens often enough to annoy me.

One of my favorite things about this board: there are several people here with whom I disagree on a regular basis. And yet, I still like and respect them very much. On most boards, we'd be e-mailing each other viruses by now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nion:
Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Pogue

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Originally posted by 1958Fury:
1. When threads degenerate into the "arguing about how to argue" phase. Hoping to catch each other in contradictions, people will post, "Here you said this... But here you said that...",

Yes, sometimes when you examine people's posts, you will find contradictions. When I bring them up, it's generally to ask which of the two opposing viewpoints the poster believes, or to expose a flaw in his argument.

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2. People who say, "Did you actually read my post?" Well of course they read your post, or they wouldn't be arguing with it. They just happen to disagree.
And sometimes, they are arguing against a point I didn't make, or claiming I said something I did not. Sometimes, I wonder if they really did read what I said.

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Were you so sure your post would change everyone's mind, that if they still disagree, they must not have read it?
One can disagree with me all they want. Just make sure you disagree with what I said, not with what you think I said.

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4. The word "strawman". I used to only hate it when it was used incorrectly, but now I've become sick of it altogether, to the point where I just skip to the next post whenever I see the word.
Sorry, but people who do this should be called on it. It's a common, weak argument that should be exposed for what it is.


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Originally posted by Pogue Mahone:
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Originally posted by Nion:
Everybody here seems to like to argue . . . a lot . . . EVERYWHERE.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Pogue

There's arguing and there's arguing, I guess. The attraction of the boards is that we do argue, a lot, in the sense that we debate pretty much everything which comes up on the boards, and nobody is allowed to make a point without having some supporting arguments or evidence. Some of us learn a lot from this, about our own and other people's perspectives.

Then there's incivility, which is of course to be discouraged, and its concomitant "moral high ground" argument - we have all seen threads which degenerate into "I said X,Y, and Z which are perfectly reasonable things to say, but you are just being rude and should immediately cut out your tongue as a penance". Sometimes they are justified, and sometimes they are fun to watch, but you can have too much of a good thing....

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I like:

1. The level of writing. I don't mind the occasional typo (I've made a few), but everybody writes in pretty much standard English.

2. If I don't agree with someone, they don't call me names, belittle my intelligence or question my ancestry.

3. Anything can be discussed. Humor is acceptable, even encouraged, but serious subjects are treated with decorum.

4. People actually seem to like each other. The sincerity is for all and not just a select few.

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Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
This, of course, only mitigates in favor of a straightforward or documentary style of language, preserving clinical accuracy, over the more ornate, Germanic style of paragraphic rhetoric, rich with subordinate clauses, such as favored by certain of our more rhodomantic pseudo-intellectuals, the names of whom it would be unwise (and immodest) to mention.

It's a horrible affliction Silas has been trying to cure me of (via the DiCaprio/Ernie Hudson scene in The Basketball Diaries).

I'll be panting, sweating in bed, hallucinating, and he'll be propped by the door, waiting for the tremors to pass. And when I fall out of the damp sheets, screaming subordinate conjunctions, he'll messianically purr, "Tsk, tsk, tsk: Where's your main clause?" Then, he flushes Faulkner down the toilet, right in front of me. So I weep.

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