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This probably isn't copyright infringement, but it looks like they're using the term 'Snopes' to imply some sort of mythbusting: Deaf Snopes Buster

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Since snopes isn't David or Barbara's creation, I'm not sure how copyrights would work. They were the ones to associate it with debunking though. Since Google was a word before the search engine was named, but they seem to be able to claim that it is their property when used to mean an internet search engine (or using such an engine) I would guess that snopes could be used in a similar manner.

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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You're probably right. Nitpick: The word Google adopted its name from is actually spelled Googol, so this situation may be different.

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It seems that "google" wasn't previously a word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
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The name "Google" originated from a misspelling of "googol,"[2][3] which refers to 10100 (the number represented by a 1 followed by one-hundred zeros). The verb "google" was added to the Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary and the Oxford English Dictionary, meaning "to use the Google search engine to obtain information on the Internet."[4][5]
ETA: Spanked by ghijkmnop. Ouch. Now, cut that out! (What happened to "l?")

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago, G.R.I.T.S.:
Spanked by ghijkmnop. Ouch. Now, cut that out! (What happened to "l?")

<*THUD*> That was the sound of my head hitting the desk as I just got that. Noel - perfect for the season!
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I don't really understand why the listed site chose to include snopes in its name. It seems to be place to share experiences wiit deaf-friendly practices in business and the like. How is that "snopes busting?"
Maybe they just meant the snopes from Faulkner as well.

For an example of what I mean, apparently there is a Drudge retort that aims to be a counter to the Drudge report.

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quote:
Originally posted by DadOf3:
quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago, G.R.I.T.S.:
Spanked by ghijkmnop. Ouch. Now, cut that out! (What happened to "l?")

<*THUD*> That was the sound of my head hitting the desk as I just got that. Noel - perfect for the season!
Thanks. Boy, do I feel merely foolish! [Embarrassed]

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Uh, what about Barney Google with the goo-goo-googly eyes?
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That's exactly what I was thinking about regarding the existance of "google".

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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Definitely some smart folks here-- it usually takes a long explanation. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by ghijkmnop:
Definitely some smark folks here-- it usually takes a long explanation. [Smile]

I just checked your profile (great pic, btw) and I see that it isn't just a seasonal thing. Either way, welcome to the boards.

ETA: Correct capitalization.

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quote:
Originally posted by DadOf3:
quote:
Originally posted by ghijkmnop:
Definitely some smark folks here-- it usually takes a long explanation. [Smile]

I just checked your profile (great pic, btw) and I see that it isn't just a seasonal thing. Either way, welcome to the boards.

ETA: Correct capitalization.

Your post prompted me to look at his profile, too. Cool name, that ghijkmnop! [Smile]

[hijack]When I was a small child, I thought lmno (eleminoh) was one letter, instead of four.[/hijack]

Genyus, et al, I stand (sit(?)) corrected. I forgot all about Barney Google, which is strange since I referred to him in another thread not long ago. I never thought of a proper noun, instead of just a regular word, but "Snopes" is a name, too. Duh!

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SO I was looking at their site and noticed something.

Some of their forum titles are "What stores is deaf freindly" & "What Companies is deaf freindly"

Do you guys think that the Gramatical errors are just errors, or Would that e how a deaf person would say it?

(Not trying to be ugly or the grammar police Because mine is awful sometimes, But I am just curious.)

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Would that e how a deaf person would say it?
I've read that Deaf people's (English) language skills tend to be below those of their hearing peers. I may still have a sample of letters written by Deaf readers to a Deaf magazine to illustrate this.

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English skills are probably dependent on if the person learned Manually Coded English or American Sign Language. MCE is as close to spoken English as possible including grammar. ASL is a seperate language/dialect with its own rules of grammer and syntax.

For example, MCE uses the English adjective-noun order where ASL uses noun-adjective order. So ASL would sign about a "car blue" where spoken, written and MC English would use "blue car".

ETA: So if a deaf person has learned to sign using ASL, their English writing would be better compared to a Russian's English writing.

Also, the above is from old memory and may be faulty.

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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An old roommate of my cousin used to sign.

When I was in highschool I took a basic signing course. This course only taught the words, we made up the sentences.

Three years ago, when I signed with my cousin's roommate, I was told that I was not "speaking" the language, but had an extremely thick "accent".

My example: I am going to the store now.

Corrected to match modern sign: Now, to the store, me go.

The signed language follows few of the rules of spoken grammar. This may lead to some of the poor grammar observed in deaf writings.

Of course, I may be mixed up completely, as this occurred several years ago and I have not followed up any claims made then.

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quote:
Originally posted by ghijkmnop:
Definitely some smart folks here-- it usually takes a long explanation. [Smile]

[hijack] I just looked at your profile as well--with the dark slacks and the positions of the boxes at your feet, it looks like you have robotic feet! [/hijack]

Seaboe

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quote:
Originally posted by Gale:
Uh, what about Barney Google with the goo-goo-googly eyes?

[lol] Show your age much? There's probably a small number of us that get that one!!

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My dad is the reason I know about Barney Google.

Sorry.

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
My dad is the reason I know about Barney Google.

Sorry.

I'm the reason I know about Barney Google. You think you're sorry?  -

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago, G.R.I.T.S.:
It seems that "google" wasn't previously a word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
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The name "Google" originated from a misspelling of "googol,"[2][3] which refers to 10100 (the number represented by a 1 followed by one-hundred zeros). The verb "google" was added to the Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary and the Oxford English Dictionary, meaning "to use the Google search engine to obtain information on the Internet."[4][5]
ETA: Spanked by ghijkmnop. Ouch. Now, cut that out! (What happened to "l?")
I was under the impression that there is some sort of US legislation aimed at stopping the use of proprietary names as verbs or to form compound nouns. this was pointed out to me in a less than pleasant manner when I mentioned "Xerox-lore" (a compound noun) in an article. It seems that the legislation cited at me only applied within the USA. I believe Google are trying to prevent the use of their name as a verb?

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I was under the impression that there is some sort of US legislation aimed at stopping the use of proprietary names as verbs or to form compound nouns. this was pointed out to me in a less than pleasant manner when I mentioned "Xerox-lore" (a compound noun) in an article. It seems that the legislation cited at me only applied within the USA.
I don't think there's any special legislation covering that sort of usage. It's just a misuse of trademark that the trademark holder has a right (and an obligation) to prevent.

- snopes

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Since snopes isn't David or Barbara's creation, I'm not sure how copyrights would work. They were the ones to associate it with debunking though.
And we hold a (pending) Service Mark on the name for that form of usage.

- snopes

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BARDAV INC. CORPORATION
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You mean, you and Barbara really do own Disney, Coca-cola, et-al?

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
And we hold a (pending) Service Mark on the name for that form of usage.

- snopes

Bad link, that.

"This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue"

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Click on the TRADEMARK icon

Select 'Search' from the right hand menu.

Select 'New user form Search (Basic)

Type "snopes" as the search term and click 'submit query.' [Smile]

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When you do a search for "snopes" it says:
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Word Mark SNOPES
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment Services namely providing a website featuring, photographic, audio, video and prose presentations featuring news and information about urban legends, folklore, myths, rumors, and misinformation. FIRST USE: 19950101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19950101
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78973969
Filing Date September 13, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT) BARDAV INC. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA #245 5737 KANAN ROAD AGOURA HILLS CALIFORNIA 91301
Attorney of Record Richard A. Rodgers
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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
quote:
I was under the impression that there is some sort of US legislation aimed at stopping the use of proprietary names as verbs or to form compound nouns. this was pointed out to me in a less than pleasant manner when I mentioned "Xerox-lore" (a compound noun) in an article. It seems that the legislation cited at me only applied within the USA.
I don't think there's any special legislation covering that sort of usage. It's just a misuse of trademark that the trademark holder has a right (and an obligation) to prevent.

- snopes

I did get an "act" cited at me, but since it wasn't relevant to a non US citzen i didn't bother keeping the email or checking the wording of the act. You might want to check it out. I was told that my use of "Xerox" was in contravention of that act. Sorry I didn't bother to keep the name of the piece of legislation.

It would be interesting if the cited legislation turned out to be an urban legend.

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Regarding the grammar on the site...

Yes.. in GENERAL many deaf people have English skills below average. It really also does not matter if the deaf person grew up learning ASL or was oral. I have at least 2 friends who grew up oral. One has the level of about a 4th grader regarding English, reading and grammar. She is however very bright with math and accounting. I also know many deaf folks who grew up with ASL whose English is better than MINE.

Even with MCE (or SEE Signing Exact English), some still have a poor grasp on grammar and the nuances of the English language, including idioms and such .

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quote:
Originally posted by Llewtrah:
I did get an "act" cited at me, but since it wasn't relevant to a non US citzen i didn't bother keeping the email or checking the wording of the act. You might want to check it out. I was told that my use of "Xerox" was in contravention of that act.

Well, it did contravene misuse of a registered trademark which is probably what the act was about. I suspect that your usage would have been fine if you were speaking only and specifically of Xerox machines. As a catch-all synonym for "photocopy" it falls under misuse of a brand name. Companies like to be household names, but they also don't want their brand to become generic. Companies like Xerox and Coca-Cola don't like all photocopies to be called "Xeroxes" or all colas to be called "Coke," respectively. If it was being used in an article the company who published could have been sued by Xerox and probably would have lost.

Many companies have lost their trademark when their product name was legally determined to be descriptive and thus could no longer by owned by the creator or anyone else.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jenn:
quote:
Originally posted by Llewtrah:
I did get an "act" cited at me, but since it wasn't relevant to a non US citzen i didn't bother keeping the email or checking the wording of the act. You might want to check it out. I was told that my use of "Xerox" was in contravention of that act.

Well, it did contravene misuse of a registered trademark which is probably what the act was about. I suspect that your usage would have been fine if you were speaking only and specifically of Xerox machines. As a catch-all synonym for "photocopy" it falls under misuse of a brand name. Companies like to be household names, but they also don't want their brand to become generic. Companies like Xerox and Coca-Cola don't like all photocopies to be called "Xeroxes" or all colas to be called "Coke," respectively. If it was being used in an article the company who published could have been sued by Xerox and probably would have lost.

Many companies have lost their trademark when their product name was legally determined to be descriptive and thus could no longer by owned by the creator or anyone else.

I just told the person to go away as I was in a country outside of the jurisdiction of the cited law. The tem "Xerox-lore" has been in use for to long to take issue with it at this stage and the legislation they quoted was specific to the USA.

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quote:
Originally posted by Llewtrah:
I just told the person to go away as I was in a country outside of the jurisdiction of the cited law. The tem "Xerox-lore" has been in use for to long to take issue with it at this stage and the legislation they quoted was specific to the USA.

Did you actually check to see whether the law could not be enforced against you, or did you just assume that since it's an American law you're immune? Because there are a lot of laws with extra-territorial effect, particularly in regard to intellectual property (because of the treaties written to enforce them).

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As well as the fact that Xerox is probably a registered trademark or the equivilent in the UK as well as the US.

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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The individual cited a piece of US specific legislation at me. Had they cited international legislation or UK legislation I'd have taken more notice. But they didn't, they simply assumed in their naively Americentric way that their local law was globally applicable. The person probably doesn't have a passport either.

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quote:
Originally posted by Llewtrah:
The person probably doesn't have a passport either.

???

What does that have to do with intellectual property law? Or is that just a random slam?

Seaboe

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