quote:However, in these cases it's most likely not a choice between sex or total powerty, but something more like chosing between $10/hour or $30/hour.
See, I had always been under the impression that the choice *was* between this an more or less total poverty, at least in certain areas of the world. I'm not saying that a woman in a sex show in Thailand doesn't make good money, I'm saying that I thought that the next option for many of these women is a job making next to no money. I have been in both Hong Kong and Thailand (lived in the first and visited the second) but to my dismay I didn't get a chance to check out the porn areas there in order to verify this. Hehehehe, but you should see some of the things they sold on the black market in Hong Kong...
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I know that pics and films of stuff like that exists.
How do I know that? When I was in college, I studied in Amsterdam for a couple of semesters. I just had to go into one of the sex shops (not a live sex show). I saw pics of things that I wish I never had. There must be some segment of the population that really likes the bestiality stuff. I still wish I could wash away that portion of my memory.
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in the 80's there was a ska band in Southern California called "The Donkey Show"
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quote:Originally posted by Lydia Oh Lydia: I know that pics and films of stuff like that exists.
How do I know that? When I was in college, I studied in Amsterdam for a couple of semesters. I just had to go into one of the sex shops (not a live sex show). I saw pics of things that I wish I never had. There must be some segment of the population that really likes the bestiality stuff. I still wish I could wash away that portion of my memory.
The sex museums weren't any better. Although at least they warned you that what you were about to see was disturbing.
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Actually, the Sex Museum we went to was pretty cool... it was a wierd mix of obvious camp and almost-serious. Definitely some interesting things to see.
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quote:Originally posted by Artemis: So...bestiality is legal in Amsterdam?
I don't know that it's legal or illegal, but they cerainly had pics for sale!
I remember going to the Sex Museum and the Erotic Museum. One was much more tame than the other, but I can't remember which.
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Hmmm... sex with a pig... bet whoever did that was in for a surprise since pigs have corkscrew shaped penises.
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Imagine sex with a dog, then...when the penis fuses with the vagina for a limited time.
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quote:Originally posted by moonfall86: ...I've heard that a popular attraction in Mexico (Tijuana in particular is usually the site for these stories) is the "donkey show." It's basically watching a woman have sex with a donkey (or maybe another animal) Do they really exist? I searched snopes and couldn't find anything, but it sounds a little dubious.
The late Linda Lovelace (nee Marciano) recalls in her memoir Exploited that her first husband had designs on offering her to some "donkey show" in Ciudad Juarez (a/k/a "Whorez" in certain circles), only to be prevented from doing so by an auto accident.
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AIUI (from a site I quoted on a Snopes thread way back), humans can't get dog-knotted with dogs because of the shape of the human vagina. A dog's penis goes through the bitch's cervix and her vagina contracts around the penis bulb. That doesn't prevent loads of ULs about humans being dognotted with their canine lovers.
The site promoted the use of large dogs to satisfy women whose husbands were impotent so the women could still have satisfying sex without being tempted to have an affair. It went into dog-knotting in great detail, explaining why it doesn't happen in dog/human encounters. I did briefly wonder, on purely medical grounds, whether dog-knotting might be a hazard in anal penetration.
Piggies have corkscrew penises, but they are very thin. What happens if the boar has a left-hand thread and the sow has a right-hand thread?
quote:Originally posted by Artemis: So...bestiality is legal in Amsterdam?
As the law now is, it is only illegal if the health and well-being of the animal are harmed.
But after a recent incident involving a man and a pony (Yes, one man and one pony) which got a lot of publicity, questions have been asked in parliament for a total ban on bestiality.
In short, bestiality had been illegal in most or all European countries up until the French Revolution, when it was decriminalized. This was taken over by countries under French rule and influence such as Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania, Belgium and the Netherlands. It is still illegal in America, Great Britain and Germany.
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quote:Originally posted by Brad from Georgia: Legal? They told me it was mandatory!
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quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: AIUI (from a site I quoted on a Snopes thread way back), humans can't get dog-knotted with dogs because of the shape of the human vagina. A dog's penis goes through the bitch's cervix and her vagina contracts around the penis bulb. That doesn't prevent loads of ULs about humans being dognotted with their canine lovers.
The site promoted the use of large dogs to satisfy women whose husbands were impotent so the women could still have satisfying sex without being tempted to have an affair. It went into dog-knotting in great detail, explaining why it doesn't happen in dog/human encounters.
Thanks, that's good to know.
Although, honestly, it seems more intuitive to promote a rabbit than a large dog, if a woman's husband is impotent.
Actually, I just thought of something else. Did anyone else here read The Painted Bird, by Jerzy Kosinski? There's a scene where a man and a woman somehow get stuck together, in the manner of two dogs. Can that happen in real life to two humans?
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quote:Originally posted by Artemis: There's a scene where a man and a woman somehow get stuck together, in the manner of two dogs. Can that happen in real life to two humans?
quote: The technical name for this occurence is "penis captivus". This would occur if the muscles in the vagina clamp down on the penis much more firmly than usual, making it impossible for the penis to withdraw from the vagina regardless of erection
Medical experts disagree about whether the phenomenon is real, and many argue that it is merely an urban legend. There have been sporadic reports of alleged instances, however, many specialists feel that vaginal spasms severe enough to cause penis captivus are extremely unlikely, and that the male partner would be able to withdraw his penis once it was sufficiently relaxed.
Penis captivus should not be confused with the relatively common condition of vaginismus.
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quote:Originally posted by moonfall86: ...I've heard that a popular attraction in Mexico (Tijuana in particular is usually the site for these stories) is the "donkey show." It's basically watching a woman have sex with a donkey (or maybe another animal) Do they really exist? I searched snopes and couldn't find anything, but it sounds a little dubious.
The late Linda Lovelace (nee Marciano) recalls in her memoir Exploited that her first husband had designs on offering her to some "donkey show" in Ciudad Juarez (a/k/a "Whorez" in certain circles), only to be prevented from doing so by an auto accident.
Just as a disclaimer, her memoir and other statements have been called into question on many occasions. I don't pretend to know what's happened to Lovelace, but the other people involved in her life predictably deny having abused her. Now that she's dead it's even more unlikely the truth will ever be known.
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Hijack, but this caught my eye from Aretemis' link
quote:Among professional breeders, dogs are only allowed to mate for a specific purpose
Is there more than one purpose? Or do unscrupulous dog breeders encourage canine recreational sex. Bring on the smoking beagles.
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Maybe it's referring to the fact that among scrupulous breeders, dogs aren't mated all the time? That is, a bitch can have x litters in a certain period of time. (This is in contrast to breeders who mate dogs all the time to produce as many litters as possible.) Maybe it's just worded badly. I'm stumped, too.
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I think that you've got it close: a dog can be bred on every heat cycle, but a scrupulous breeder wouldn't do something like that. A bitch that's bred on every heat cycle will eventually become exhausted from reproducing, possibly killing either her pups or herself in the process. A scrupulous breeder will be very cautious to keep their bitches from having recreational sex--*very* cautious*--to keep them from accidentally procreating with a male dog either too soon or with a male dog of an undesirable lineage.
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Was it a German guy who wanted to open a "dog brothel" - a brothel containing receptive (but I hope contraceptively safe) bitches to satisfy the male canine population? It was reported on a few news agencies quite some while ago.
His proposal got turned down. The fact that dogs don't have recreational sex, they mate in order to breed, played a part in the rejection of the scheme.
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I feel the need to point out that beastiality is NOT in fact illegal in America. That's regulated by state and not all states have outlawed it. Here's a list by state.
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quote:Originally posted by STF: I'm glad to know it's a felony here in Georgia.
So is having an improper bumper sticker, at least in the mind of the cops.
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Just as a disclaimer, her memoir and other statements have been called into question on many occasions. I don't pretend to know what's happened to Lovelace, but the other people involved in her life predictably deny having abused her. Now that she's dead it's even more unlikely the truth will ever be known.
Lovelace was in a porn flick with a dog. That is true.
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That chart just had to rub in the fact that WA didnt have a law against bestiality until this year- it was put into effect in part because of the infamous incident where a man died having anal intercourse with a stallion and it was caught on tape.
What a great state I live in. Horse NFBSKers and all the really good serial killers come through here at some point.
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Where was Dog 1 shot? If it was in either New York or California, then it was illegal, wasn't it? If the film is shot in a place where bestiality is legal, though, then what happens if it's released in other states?
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I had the joy of being back in Seattle for my HS reunion that week. I've been telling DH what a great place WA is and that was the first news story we heard when we got in the car. :sigh:
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quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: Was it a German guy who wanted to open a "dog brothel" - a brothel containing receptive (but I hope contraceptively safe) bitches to satisfy the male canine population? It was reported on a few news agencies quite some while ago.
His proposal got turned down. The fact that dogs don't have recreational sex, they mate in order to breed, played a part in the rejection of the scheme.
Not a German guy, an American hoaxter. Skaggs-a-chow -- scroll down about two-thirds of the way.
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Just as a disclaimer, her memoir and other statements have been called into question on many occasions. I don't pretend to know what's happened to Lovelace, but the other people involved in her life predictably deny having abused her. Now that she's dead it's even more unlikely the truth will ever be known.
Lovelace was in a porn flick with a dog. That is true.
Y unintentionally OMANK. I was talking more about her claims of things that haven't been captured on film- abuse by her husband and producers, being forced into things, et cetera.
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quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: Piggies have corkscrew penises, but they are very thin. What happens if the boar has a left-hand thread and the sow has a right-hand thread?
Why I guess they'd be... screwed! LMAO
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quote:Originally posted by Dragon's Jewel: I think that you've got it close: a dog can be bred on every heat cycle, but a scrupulous breeder wouldn't do something like that. A bitch that's bred on every heat cycle will eventually become exhausted from reproducing, possibly killing either her pups or herself in the process. A scrupulous breeder will be very cautious to keep their bitches from having recreational sex--*very* cautious*--to keep them from accidentally procreating with a male dog either too soon or with a male dog of an undesirable lineage.
Enough to wonder there, for a moment, if dogs should start joining bonomo monkeys and dolphins as the only non-human species as engage in actus coitu for pleasure.
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quote:Enough to wonder there, for a moment, if dogs should start joining bonomo monkeys and dolphins as the only non-human species as engage in actus coitu for pleasure.
Almost. My parents breed dogs and I guess when a bitch is in heat, the dog is almost beside himself in, well, desire.
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I didn't get a chance to check out the porn areas there in order to verify this. Hehehehe, but you should see some of the things they sold on the black market in Hong Kong...
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