quote:Originally posted by GenYus: Besides all that, aren't the 1880 people who ran the ones that *really* need to hear the preacher's message? The 20 who remained already believe, so you'd be preaching to the choir there (so to speak).
quote:Immediately, the choir fled...
Not really
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The 1880 who ran away have nothing to be ashamed of. After all (if I remember what I've been taught at sunday school), even the great St. Peter, when faced with certain arrest and execution, chose the safe way and denied to be one of Jesus' followers (3 times, at that). So the example comes from high above.
For the remaining 20, it was a clear case of "holier-than-thou" attitude... if this tall story's true at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Amigone201: *Funny how someone can say "I believe in God"...
but still follow Satan (who, by the way, also "believes"in God).
Funny how a group who believes in an all-powerful, all-good God also believes that Satan is allowed to exist.....
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Doesn't this kind of defeat the whole point of church? Why am I constantly being bombarded by stupid Jack Chick tracts? Why are people trying to save me if the only people welcome at church are the ones who are willing to take a bullet for Christ?
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I'm all for the idea of sacrificing yourself for what you believe in (as a concept, I mean, but rarely in practise), but not when it wouldn't make the slightest difference. Surely nobody believes that Jesus wants them shot... nobody who doesn't think tinfoil headwear is the latest must-have accessory, anyway. The people who did a runner could go on to perform numerous Good Deeds, while the people who stayed were willing to make the smug, purposeless gesture.
I was hoping for this to be glurge about the dangers of letting priests play too many violent video games.
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If armed gunmen came into my church on Sunday, you bet I'd be running. But not because I'm a hypocrite. Because I'd be getting my loved ones out of there, along with any stray children or slow moving old or sick people we can find.
Seriously. Jesus wants us to be faithful and do good works, not sit in pews singing Kum By Yah while we all get machine gunned in his name. Stupid, stupid story.
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I have heard this story over and over again for the past 30+ years.
I first read about it in one of Hal Lindsey's books in 1974, I think. Lindsey relates an account which he attributed to Corrie ten Boom when she travelled to Eastern European communist country. Most versions place the event in Russia.
I just heard this story related by the Rev. Dr. D. James Kennedy on his Sunday morning program from his Coral Ridge (FL) Presbyterian Church yesterday morning. He preached it because he wanted to tell the congregation about what it means to live as a Christian. It means risking your life sometimes.
However, no one has ever really confirmed truthfulness of the account. It always takes place somewhere in Russia, east Russia, eastern Europe while it was under communism, etc. The name of the church has never even given revealed.
It sounds to me like a UL.
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It's the hypocrites that need the church the most.
Clearly the glurgers haven't read Mark 2:15-17
quote: While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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I take it the priest was going to discuss the whole "Blessed are the persecuted" Beautitudes deal when everyone was told about the sham killers, but cripes, man!
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quote: One Sunday morning during mass, a 2,000 member congregation was surprised to see two angels appear from the heavens, both covered from head to toe in gleaming samite and carrying golden spears.
One of the angels proclaimed, "Anyone willing to take a spear for Christ remain where you are."
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Where is your taste, girl? Narragansett Beer is really nasty stuff, even worse than Iron City or [gag] Rolling Rock.
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quote:Originally posted by Senior: Where is your taste, girl? Narragansett Beer is really nasty stuff, even worse than Iron City or [gag] Rolling Rock.
But isn't it a sin to turn down free alcohol?
Well, it should be.
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Well, if I had a choice between being stabbed with a sword or killed drinking sewage water in beer form, I'll still take the 'Gansett over the sword. Besides, it's our state beer, man. Generations drink this swill and pretend it's great. I'm not sure why, really. I guess we're a state full of masochists.
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And to willing drink the nastiest beer on the planet is proof you'd willingly die for Jesus, isn't it? I mean, you don't pick the most pleasant way out as proof. You don't say, "I'll go lie in that field with the bunnies and deer and flowers and stare at clouds and smile until I die peacefully in my sleep at a proper old age for Jesus!!!" Not exactly as powerful as instant death to prove loyalty, is it?
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quote: *Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace...
but the public discussion of Jesus is suppressed in the school and work place.
Funny how religious zealots want their beliefs shoved down everyone's throats. No, wait, disgusting is the word I'm looking for, not funny.
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This thread has been around a while, but when I saw it, I thought of the Deep Purple song, Smoke on the Water ("Smoooooooke out the Athiest!" bamb bamb bammm, bamb bamb da bammm, bamb bamb bammm, bamp bumm....).
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quote:Originally posted by Em: Reglurgitation, and again
Aaawww! That was my very first snopes post.
Memories...
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quote:Originally posted by Starla:
quote:Originally posted by Em: Reglurgitation, and again
Aaawww! That was my very first snopes post.
Memories...
Really? Sorry - this is a complete hijack but I'd always assumed you were the same Starla that used to post on the pre-UBB board and for a few years after, and that you'd just gone away for a bit...
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quote:Originally posted by Doug4.7: This thread has been around a while, but when I saw it, I thought of the Deep Purple song, Smoke on the Water ("Smoooooooke out the Athiest!" bamb bamb bammm, bamb bamb da bammm, bamb bamb bammm, bamp bumm....).
We all went down to Jesus True believer in us all But on the way we saw an athiest He was hurtin' kids down at the mall
So then we whipped out a bible And we told him to take a look He didn't respond, so I pull out Somethin' that'd hurt him much more than a book
Smoooooooke out the Athiest! Fire on his small soul! Smoooooooke out the Athiest!
(bam bam bahmn bum bum bunhamn)
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quote:Originally posted by LeaflessMapleTree: We all went down to Jesus True believer in us all But on the way we saw an athiest He was hurtin' kids down at the mall
So then we whipped out a bible And we told him to take a look He didn't respond, so I pull out Somethin' that'd hurt him much more than a book
Smoooooooke out the Athiest! Fire on his small soul! Smoooooooke out the Athiest!
(bam bam bahmn bum bum bunhamn)
That was good!
The only thing I would change is the first line:
"We all went down to Lynchburg...."
Double reason for Lynchburg fitting so well (the university AND the lynch part...).
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quote:Originally posted by Samantha Vimes: 20 out of 2000 didn't run... probably the ones who came in wheelchairs, or with walkers, or guide dogs.
And the glurge writer, who when faced with the reality of what he'd written, was found weeping and trembling on the church floor in a pool of his own urine.
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So a random terrorist walks into a church and asks who wants to "take a bullet for Jesus".
Just how, exactly, is following the directives of an evil man a good thing?
I mean, what kind of thinking is going through the writer's head?
Everyone running away from the armed evil terrorist is a hypocrite?
Jesus wants His followers to get shot by armed evil men?
Staying to get shot by an armed evil man proves what?
How does any of that even compute?
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Right, it's presumptuous that these people who did not obey are athiests. Perhaps they were using their God given noggins to decide that theses lunatics were unstable sociopathics, and the voices in their head were not divine in nature.
quote:Originally posted by ULTRAGLORIA: I don't get it.
Let me see if I can explain the meaning behind the glurge that I hope the author meant to convey (but did such a poor job). Now I am attempting this because at least partially, I can feel somewhat the same way...
It may come as a surprise to snopsters, but many people profess to be Christian because of the benefits here on Earth and NOT because of the benefits in the hereafter. They are Christians only in name. They are the ones who put the fish symbol in the window of their business but cheat the folks that come in to their store.
I have "problems" with these folks and I guess the author of the glurge does also. My flippant line has always been that we need a good Christian persecution (you know, lions and such) to separate the Christians from those who just find it the best way to make connections and a profit.
Here in the South, it can really help to let people know you are a 'good Christian'. It can get you a better job, more status in the community, etc. It is profitable to say you are 'Christian'.
So I say/write things like, "What if having that little fish symbol on your bumper would actually cause a police officer to pull you over and make up some reason to give you a ticket? What if it could get you legally shot by the officer? How many 'Christians' would quickly remove it from their cars?"
This person uses the killer in a church idea. And a glurge is born.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug4.7: So I say/write things like, "What if having that little fish symbol on your bumper would actually cause a police officer to pull you over and make up some reason to give you a ticket? What if it could get you legally shot by the officer? How many 'Christians' would quickly remove it from their cars?"
This person uses the killer in a church idea. And a glurge is born.
I get that. I get being willing to die for your faith.
What I don't get is how running away from an evil terrorist pointing a gun at you and saying "Who wants to take a bullet for Jesus?" is even a tiny bit hypocritical?
Running away from an evil man trying to kill you doesn't voilate any tenents of the faith. Unless you trample little old ladies and kiddies when you do it.
Attending worship when people take random pot shots at you on the way demonstrates your faith.
Returning $47,000.00 you found under a seat at a theatre, despite jeers from your 'friends', demonstrates your faith.
Asking the evil person to shoot you first to try to save the younger kids demonstrates your faith.
Staying to be shot by an evil person for no other reason than "Who wants to take a bullet for Jesus?" does not.
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quote:Originally posted by ULTRAGLORIA: I get that. I get being willing to die for your faith.
What I don't get is how running away from an evil terrorist pointing a gun at you and saying "Who wants to take a bullet for Jesus?" is even a tiny bit hypocritical?
Running away from an evil man trying to kill you doesn't voilate any tenents of the faith. Unless you trample little old ladies and kiddies when you do it.
Attending worship when people take random pot shots at you on the way demonstrates your faith.
Returning $47,000.00 you found under a seat at a theatre, despite jeers from your 'friends', demonstrates your faith.
Asking the evil person to shoot you first to try to save the younger kids demonstrates your faith.
Staying to be shot by an evil person for no other reason than "Who wants to take a bullet for Jesus?" does not.
I would fully agree with you.
What I was trying to do was to draw you into the mind of the glurger....
Okay, maybe that's a bad idea. There are some things we should never know: 1) how sausage is made, and 2) understand the mind of a glurger...
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quote:Originally posted by Doug4.7: What I was trying to do was to draw you into the mind of the glurger....
Argh!
What have I ever done to you to deserve that kind of treatment!
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quote:Originally posted by Em: Reglurgitation, and again
Aaawww! That was my very first snopes post.
Memories...
Really? Sorry - this is a complete hijack but I'd always assumed you were the same Starla that used to post on the pre-UBB board and for a few years after, and that you'd just gone away for a bit...
Really. I didn't know there had been another Starla until I had been posting on snopes for over a year.
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I guess I thought you'd changed a bit, but I wasn't really paying attention, and I think the other Starla went off and had children too so I wondered if that had made a difference...
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