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Dear Mr. Snopes,

Thank you for the great website - it has burst the silly balloons of some
neighbors and coworkers lately when I show them the truth about some of
their rumors and warnings since 9/11th.

I'm hoping you can help me in a small way - if working on your TV show
causes you to come in contact with Nicole Kidman - I need to contact her
urgently. I have called her agents offices but the reception-PESTS don't
pass my messages to her. I firmly believe we were married or had an
affair in our passed lives. I have known this since I first saw her as
Jade in "Windriders"... We are both Gemini's born in 1967 - you know how
Gemini's can be (the twins). I'm sure after 5 minutes talking with me she
would realize the same thing.

If you could reply with Nicole's email address or personal phone ### that
would be great. I am 10 minutes from the Pascagoula, MS Amtrac station
and could come to Calif anytime.

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Hey Snopes, if you have those kinds of connections, I want Sam Elliot's phone number. I just want to talk to him for a few minutes. I am sure he won't mind.
Kim

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quote:
Originally posted by wan2b butte cheese:
Hey Snopes, if you have those kinds of connections, I want Sam Elliot's phone number. I just want to talk to him for a few minutes. I am sure he won't mind.

Whoa, just checked Valerie Bertinelli is a Taurus born in '60 - we must be soulmates too! I'm sure you'll see her next time you're in Hollywood, right snopes? Thanks a mill [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by wan2b butte cheese:
Hey Snopes, if you have those kinds of connections, I want Sam Elliot's phone number. I just want to talk to him for a few minutes. I am sure he won't mind.
Kim

He may not, but Katherine Ross, his wife, might.

O.K. You can talk to him and I'll talk to her.

Goes-"Works for me."-hmmm

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Works for me, Goes-hmmmm!

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Comment: the dollar folded up is neat. but one of your expanations that it was
re-designed three yearsago means nothing. i will tell you wy. the spotlight
newspaper and many patriot organizations have been warning of an amazing ,
large terror attack on the united states eat coast since 1996. this attack was
to be set up by our own gvernment to promote a dictatorship. so, when it
happened and the government said we should have to give up our rights to be
"safe", many of us could not believe that the secret plan was actually
unfolding. now you can make up some stories and call this an "urban legend"
but many people like myself have dated, printed warnings that this was being
planne. i think you are a little too sceptical.

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quote:
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...warning of an amazing , large terror attack on the united states eat coast since 1996...

Oh no! It's the Monster that will Eat the Coast!

...i think you are a little too sceptical.

Don't you know the way to see if something on the web is true? If the writer has a AOL or Geocities URL it's probably false - if he/she has his/her own URL (e.g. IllinoisMilitia.org) it shows it's true. [Big Grin]

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many patriot organizations have been warning of an amazing ,
large terror attack on the united states eat coast since 1996.

Big deal. Nostradamus has been warning of the same thing since 1596. All that means is that he's had more opportunities to be wrong.

- snopes

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
this attack was
to be set up by our own gvernment to promote a dictatorship. so, when it
happened and the government said we should have to give up our rights to be
"safe", many of us could not believe that the secret plan was actually
unfolding.

Ah, so folding the bill is meant to show this plot unfolding. I get it.

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Comment: I think the twin towers was targeted because of it's declining
occupancy rate and it was losing money. Fly the planes into them and collect
the insurance. Even to this point they do not want to erect towers of that size
because they cannot fill them. And, why the towers. If your gonna create chaos,
destroy wall street, just down the road, or other important buildings, FBI,
CIA, NSA. They hit the pentagon, the only wing that was being refurbished and
vacant. Accident, I think not. Like the rumor stated, a statistical failure,
no, the whole affair was done to minimize loss of life from the beginning so
the president could get whatever he wanted passed without any problems from the
liberals. This is what the CIA does for a living, orchestrate operations, and
after Clinton came in after his dad and basically cut them off at the knees,
now president will re-build. If it cost a few american lives, so be it, the end
justifies the means.

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Comment: Hi. I just read the contents of your site, and I wanted to make a few
commnets.

First of all, I am a Psychic. I am born under the astrological sign of Cancer
and have Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars and Ascendant all in Cancer, so I am very
psychic. I have studied and meditated on Brandon's demise, and strongly feel
that one of the actors in the movie, The Crow, fired the fatal bullet
premeditatively. In other words, he had murder on his mind! I do not know the
motive behind this, but perhaps his background should be looked into to see if
he has any affiliatiions with Chinese Martial Arts Schools, etc. The actor I am
referring to is the character known as "T-Bird". By the way, I've noticed that
his name is somehow never mentioned in interviews when names of actors are
stated, i.e., Tin Tin or Michael Massee, who played Fun Boy. Wonder why that is
... ? From my pshchic impressions, the actor who played "T-Bird" had both
motive and opportunity; motive may have been jealousy, but again he may have
ties or affiliations with either Chinese underground (mobster) persons, or he
may even be connected to hate groups.

Just this humble pshchic's viepoint. Can't hurt to look into the wherefores and whys . . .

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quote:
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Comment: Hi. I just read the contents of your site, and I wanted to make a few
commnets.

First of all, I am a Psychic. I am born under the astrological sign of Cancer
and have Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars and Ascendant all in Cancer, so I am very
psychic.

How psychic is that again? Very? Just making sure...
quote:
I have studied and meditated on Brandon's demise, and strongly feel
that one of the actors in the movie, The Crow, fired the fatal bullet
premeditatively. In other words, he had murder on his mind! I do not know the
motive behind this

Wait a minute! Didn't you just say you were very psychic?
quote:
but perhaps his background should be looked into to see if
he has any affiliatiions with Chinese Martial Arts Schools, etc.

Hmm...my boyfriend studied martial arts. I hope he's not a killer!
quote:

From my pshchic impressions, the actor who played "T-Bird" had both
motive and opportunity; motive may have been jealousy, but again he may have
ties or affiliations with either Chinese underground (mobster) persons, or he
may even be connected to hate groups.

...or maybe he was madly in love with Brandon who rebuffed his advances...or maybe he was psychotic...or maybe the government hired him to do it...or maybe it was an ACCIDENT!

Heather

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quote:
Originally posted by Midway Bill: Munster from the Id:
quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
[qb]...warning of an amazing , large terror attack on the united states eat coast since 1996...

Oh no! It's the Monster that will Eat the Coast!
No, no, that's not it! It's obvious that the target will be the coast with the most restaurants and other eating opportunities. All we need now is a little statistical analysis, and we can evacuate just that coast and all be safe. [Big Grin]
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Comment: "THE BIBLE AND SCIENCE" (DO THEY COINCIDE)? : A 14 PAGE BOOKLET-WRITTEN
AND DESIGNED BY; LOREN L.RHODES:"MY CONCEPT AND THEORY" : OF HOW THE
RAPTURE,TRIBULATION AND ULTAMATELY THE END OF THE WORLD WILL HAPPEN.(WITH
A SIENTIFIC AND BIBLICAL APPROACH) AS TO WHAT THE PROPHETS ACTUALLY
FORESAW AND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AS WELL AS THE
PARABLES OF JESUS, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT REALLY MEANT. (RATHER THAN THAT
OF STRICTLY,A THEOLOGICAL CONCLUSION.)

THE END OF TIME-IS IT AT HAND?
PURSUANT TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE AND PROPHECY AS WELL AS PROVEN SCIENTIFIC
POSSIBILITIES OF TOTAL ANNIHILATION,ESPECIALLY WITH MANS TECHNOLOGY IN
NUCLEAR INTELLIGENCE.
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE,MAN WOULD DESTROY HIMSELF AND THE EARTHLY WORLD
WILL END WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE,ACCORDING TO THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE
GOSPEL OF JESUS,MATTHEW THROUGH REVELATIONS.ALONG WITH THE THREAT OF A
MAJOR NUCLEAR WAR BEING LAUNCHED FROM ANY PART OF THE EARTH AND
CONSIDERING DEFENSIVE REACTIONS OF EQUAL MAGNITUDES, THIS SURELY WOULD
BRING FORTH THE END OF WORLD! ("THIS IS THE LITERARY PROPERTY OF; LOREN
L.RHODES,SEALED "APRIL 4TH 2002" : ( I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO SHARE MY COMPREHENSION AND THEORY,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FULLY PUBLISHED!) email lorenlrhodes@mcleodusa.net
-phone/fax-217-562-5508 ;THANK YOU ! FOR YOUR TIME, SINCERELY! ; LOREN L
RHODES 411 S WALNUT ST PANA IL,62557: ("FEEDBACK,REPLY")

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Comment: (A 14 PAGE THEORY);"HOW I BELIEVE THE RAPTURE AND THE END OF THE WORLD
WILL HAPPEN;PURSUANT TO THE FACT,WHICH I DO BELIEVE GOD HAS REVEALED TO
ME:(NONFICTION)!!!:WRITEN AND DESIGNED BY;LOREN L RHODES
PANA,IL.04/04/2002:THIS IN PART WAS PUBLISHED,IN "THE PANA NEWS
PALLADIUM"04/04/2002:
THE END OF TIME-IS IT AT HAND?
PURSUANT TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE AND PROPHECY AS WELL AS PROVEN SCIENTIFIC
POSSIBILITIES OF TOTAL ANNIHILATION , ESPECIALLY WITH MANS TECHNOLOGY IN
NUCLEAR INTELLIGENCE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE,MAN WOULD DESTROY HIMSELF
AND THE WORLD WILL END WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE,ACCORDING TO THE NEW
TESTAMENT AND THE GOSPEL,OF JESUS,MATTHEW THROUGH REVELATIONS,ALONG WITH
THE THREAT OF A MAJOR NUCLEAR WAR BEING LAUNCHED FROM ANY PART OF THE
EARTH AND CONSIDERING DEFENSIVE REACTIONS OF EQUAL MAGNITUDE, THIS SURELY
WILL BRING FORTH THE END OF THE WORLD! (THERE IS MUCH MORE TO THESE ONLY
14 PAGES;WHY WE EXIST;THE RAPTURE,IS IT NEAR?; GOD IS INFINITY;GOD IS
SCIENTIFIC EVOLUTION AND MORE IN JUST 14 PAGES) I'M LOOKING TO DO MORE IN
PUBLISHING THIS THEORY.(IF YOU CAN HELP,PLEASE REPLY; Email
lorenlrhodes@mcleodusa.net or PHONE/ FAX 217/562/5508;SINCERELY LOREN L
RHODES 411 S WALNUT ST PANA,IL 62557

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I suppose the author wants this published in a BIG hurry?
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Comment: There are now two tales of gaslighting from two different completely
separate people on the message boards of Findlaw under the names Jill Post,
obviously a nom de plume, and Jon Hoppensteadt, who is listed in the 2002
Marquis Who's Who in America volume. These are on the Criminal Law message
boards as well as on other boards under Jon Hoppensteadt. I hope you will see
that two separate incidents of gaslighting and a book's availability of the
subject through the Lone Zone called Gaslighting: How to Drive Your Enemies
Crazy is the stuff of what great urban legends are made or is this too hot for
you to handle?

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...Gaslighting: How to Drive Your Enemies Crazy is the stuff of what great urban legends are made or is this too hot for you to handle?

Ummm, well since you can buy it from Amazon for $10.47 I wouldn't call it an urban legend... Or is the poster just [hums and rubs index finger vertically across lips] as Freud would say?

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can you believe this? please, trust me !!! (served in US Army as SWAT team).

A one-man SWAT team? Impressive! What's not to trust? [Wink]
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Comment: I wanted to add more to the sotry about the 20, 10, & 5 dollar bills
containing pictures of buildings. I have noticed that the numbers all fit
together to make dates. The 20 dollar bill shows a picture of 9/11. 9+11=20, 11
months and nine days later you have 8/2. I believe this could be an incripted
date of the next attack. When folded the same way as a twenty dollar bill, the
ten dollar bill forms what I believe to be a picture of the Eiffel tower. When
turned over the bill will show Frances equivelant to our Pentagon. Eight months
later, you would be in the fourth month the only number that can be added to
four to come up with the last bill(the 5)is one. This gives you the date
4/1,the date of the final attack. When folded the same way as the other two
bills the 5 dollar bill also forms a picture of a building on one side, and a
bridge on the other. I have not come up with an idea of which building, or
bridge that is yet. I do have an idea on how to figure that out though. These
terrorist attacks are being made not only on U.S. soil, but on all
"westernized" countries. Especially those countries that helped America get
started, i.e. France for helping us to be an independent nation, and for giving
us the Statue of Liberty. So the building and brige would be in any of these countries, but follwing the other bills, both sites would be in the same
country. Also the clue to finding out which bridge it is lies in the buildings
shown in the background underneath the brige. I believe that Osama Bin Laden
could have bought his way into the designing of our money to hide attack sites
in the folded money, and put the sites on the bills coinciding with the attack
dates hidden in the math within the numbers witch I explained earlier. Also
the Eiffel tower represents power just like our Twin towers.

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Comment: I think the twin towers were chosen and sacrificed because they were
going bankrupt, their occupancy rate was so low. They will not build towers
that tall again becuse they know they can never fill them.

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Some nutbags wrote:

quote:
Comment: I think the twin towers was targeted because of it's declining
occupancy rate and it was losing money. Fly the planes into them and collect
the insurance. Even to this point they do not want to erect towers of that size
because they cannot fill them.

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quote:
Comment: I think the twin towers were chosen and sacrificed because they were
going bankrupt, their occupancy rate was so low. They will not build towers
that tall again becuse they know they can never fill them.

In effect, these guys are calling what was clearly a terrorist attack urban renewal! This, IMHO, shows a lack of compssion and respect for the dead, as well as trivialization of the issue of terrorism. Not to mention this strategy wouldn't work because the insurance would be null and void if you intentionally destroyed the insured object just to get the insurance money. This would constitute fraud.

Besides, I would see no problem filling up towers of that size in as big a city as New York.

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I have a silly question. Why, why, why, why, WHY would OBL put encrypted warnings of his plans in American money? Wouldn't that ruin the point? How would he get that kind of access? And if he's going to give us a warning (which in and of itself makes no sense), why make it so contrived? It's just a "why would he bother?" sort of deal.

Sorry, I guess I shouldn't try to be rational with a conspiracy theorist.

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I have a silly question. Why, why, why, why, WHY would OBL put encrypted warnings of his plans in American money?

Obviously, he's an origami fanatic and wants Americans to all start folding money as a start to reform of the Great Satan. [Big Grin]
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Don't you see? It's the ultimate thumbing of his nose at America! I'm so smart, I can plan a terrorist attack ten years ahead of time, including convincing the US government to re-design their money, infiltrate the procedings at such a high level as to have an effect on the plan design, and hide clues to my plans in plain (or would that be "plane"?) sight! This proves not only that Bin Ladin is a high-ranking member of the Illuminati, but that he is the reincarnation of Nostradomus!"

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Winston O'Boogie,

PT "And why does American money have a pyramid on it?" Vroman[/QB]

Any Masons out there -- I heard it was a Masonic symbol, and at least the top part represents the inner eye of truth/guidance which is supposed to guide us...

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Comment: I want to start a new rumor !!! It will stand until disprooved !!

The effects of the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown, and subsequent release
of millions of cubic yards of radioactive toxins, which are just now being
identified as the causes of hundreds of cases of cancers, birth
defects,and various other maladies attributed to nuclear radiation poison,
in both human and animal victims. This is just the beginning of a
phenomena, that may destroy vast concentrations of living beings, around
the world, including North America. Canada and the Northern States have
been in the path of a huge cloud of toxins soon after the disaster. The
effects, incubating and conquering the immune systems, much like hepatitis
C, will claim a larger
number of victims that our present day AIDS epidemic in the next 10 to 20
years. We are at the "tip of the iceberg", and world famine, wars,
pestilence, and disease, will become secondary to a possible anihilation
of life as we have known since thw time of Genesis. The facts are there !!
Proove me wrong, PLEASE !!

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The Ultimate Delusion

By: Stephen Ames

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as
follows: S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security (United States of
America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st
September 1997.

At the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997.
Now, therefore Her Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a)
and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 and all
other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is please, by and with
advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered as
follows:
"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of
America) Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September
1997."

Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne
Justice stating in court that he takes his orders from England?

This order goes on to redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law. Remember, King
George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy
Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See:
Treaty of Peace (1783) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large 80.. Great Britain
which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA ..'
What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers
and King George were working hand-in-hand to bring the people of
America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them
and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you
have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and
that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Republica v.
Sweers 1 Dallas 43. and 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)

The United States is not a land mass, it is a corporation.
Now, you also have to realize that King George was not just the
King of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace *
U.S. 8 Statutes at Large 80.

On January 22, 1783 Congress ratified a contract for the
repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already
received dating from February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. Now the
UNITED STATES Inc. owes the King money which is due January 1,
1788 from King George via France. King George funded both sides
of the Revolutionary War.

Now the Articles of Confederation which were declared in force
March 1, 1781 States in Article 12: "All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed, and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

The Articles of Confederation acknowledge the debt owed to King
George. Now after losing the Revolutionary War, even though the War was nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King, the conquest was not yet complete. Now the loans were coming due and so a meeting was convened in Annapolis,
Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under
the Articles of Confederation. Only five States come to the
meeting, but there is a call for another meeting to take place in
Philadelphia the following year with the express purpose of
revising the Articles of Confederation On February 21, 1787
Congress gave approval of the meeting to take place in
Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of
Confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting
debt. Little did the people know that the so called founding fathers were going to reorganize the United States because it was
Bankrupt.

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approve the
Constitution. The States have now become Constitutors.
Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement,
becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. Blacks
Law Dictionary 6th Ed. The States were now liable for the debt owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote.

On August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled.-An Act
making provision for the payment of the Debt of the United
States. This can be found at 1 U.S. Statutes at Large pages
138-178. This Act for all intents and purposes abolished the States and Created the Districts. If you don't believe it look it up. The Act set up Federal Districts, here in Pennsylvania we got two. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. The next step was for the states to reorganize their governments which most did in 1790. This had to be done because the States needed to legally bind the people to the debt. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote. So the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to people for a vote thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso facto a citizen of the United States. A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with subject. What you think is a state is in reality a corporation, in other words, a Person. "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272 "Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.

There are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this
planet is a corporation. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction. For an in-depth look into the nature of these corporations and to see how you also have been declared a fictional entity. See: AMERICAN LAW AND PROCEDURE.
JURISPRUDENCE AND LEGAL INSTITUTIONS. VOL.XIII By James De
Witt Andrews LL.B. (Albany Law School), LL.D. (Ruskin University)
from La Salle University. This book explains in detail the nature
and purpose of these corporations, you will be stunned at what you
read.

Now before we go any further let us examine a few things in the
Constitution. Article six section one keeps the loans from the King valid-it states; "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation."

Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article One Section Eight clause Two which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. This was needed so the United States (Which went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could borrow money and then because the States were a party to the Constitution they would also be liable for it. The next
underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank in
1791. This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares
issued of which 18,000 were held by those in England. The Bank
loaned the United States money in exchange for Securities of the
United States. Now the creditors of the United States which
included the King wanted paid the Interest on the loans that were
given to the United States. So Alexander Hamilton came up with
the great idea of taxing alcohol. The people resisted so George
Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax which they did.
This has become known as the Whiskey rebellion. It is the Militia's duty to collect taxes. How did the United States collect taxes off of the people if the people are not a party to the Constitution? I'll tell you how. The people are slaves! The United States belongs to the founding fathers, their posterity and Great Britain. America is nothing more than a Plantation. It always has been. How many times have you seen someone in court attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES!!!!!!!

If you don't believe read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and
Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which
states " But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."

Now back to the Militia. Just read Article One Section Eight clause (15) which states that it is the militia's job to execute the laws of the Union. Now read Clause (16) Which states that Congress has the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States.... the Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is their duty to collect our substance. As you can plainly see all the Constitution did is set up a Military Government to guard the King's commerce and make us slaves. If one goes to 8 U.S. statutes at large 116-132 you will find "The Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation". This Treaty was signed on November 19th, 1794 which was twelve years after the War. Article 2 of the Treaty states that the King's Troops were still occupying the United States. Being the nice King that he was, he decided that the troops would return to England by June 1st, 1796. The troops were still on American soil because, quite frankly the King wanted them here.

Many people tend to blame the Jews for our problems, but they
too are for the most part also slaves. Jewish Law does however
govern the entire world, as found in Jewish Law by MENACHEM
ELON, DEPUTY PRESIDENT SUPREME COURT OF ISRAEL, to wit:
"Everything in the Babylonian Talmud is binding on all Israel. Every town and country must follow all customs, give effect to the
decrees, and carry out the enactment's of the Talmudic sages,
because the entire Jewish people accepted everything contained in
Talmud. The sages who adopted the enactment's and decrees,
instituted the practices, rendered the decisions, and derived the
laws, constituted all or most of the Sages of Israel. It is they who received the tradition of the fundamentals of the entire Torah in unbroken succession going back to Moses, our teacher."
We are living under what the Bible calls Mammon. As written in the
subject Index, Mammon is defined as ("Civil law and procedure").

Now turn to the "The Shetars Effect on English Law" -- A Law of the Jews Becomes the Law of the Land, found in "The George Town
Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200." It is clearly stated in the
Law Review that the Jews are the property of the Norman and
Anglo-Saxon Kings. It also explains that the Talmud is the law of
the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law
of the land, which is now known as the Uniform Commercial Code
which is private international law. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish shetar is a lien on all of the property in the world. The treatise also explains that the Jews are owned by Great Britain and that the Jews are in charge of the Banking system.

We are living under the Babylonian Talmud. It was brought into
England in 1066 and has been enforced by the Pope, Kings and
the various religions ever since. It is total and relentless mind
control, people are taught to believe in things that do not exist.
Private International Law, which is commercial law, only deals with fictions, known as persons. A person is a fictional entity at law, not a living being. See UCC 1-201. Now before you scream that the UCC is unconstitutional I'm sorry people, you are not a party to any constitution. Read the case cite below.

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The
Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of
Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520 You have to understand that Great
Britain, (Article six Section one) the United States and the States are the parties to the Constitution not you. Let me try to explain. Say I buy an automobile from a man and that automobile has a warranty and the engine blows up the first day I have it. Then I tell the man just forget about it. Then you come along and tell the man to pay me and he says no. So you take him to court for not holding up the contract. The court then says case dismissed. Why? Because you are not a party to the contract. You cannot sue a government official for not adhering to a contract (Constitution) that you are not a party too. You better accept the fact that you are a Slave. When you try to use the Constitution you are committing a CRIME known as CRIMINAL TRESPASS. Why?
Because you are attempting to infringe on a private contract that
you are not a party to. Then to make matters worse you are a
debt slave who owns no property or has any rights. You are a mere
user of your Masters property!

Here are just a couple of examples: "The primary control and custody of infants is with the government" Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62

"Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties-the
husband, the wife and the state." Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154
N.E. 146.

"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called 'ownership" is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State. Senate Document No. 43 73rd Congress 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra)

You own no Property because you are a slave. Really you are
worse off than a slave because you are also a debtor.

"The right of traffic or the transmission of property, as an absolute inalienable right, is one which has never existed since
governments were instituted, and never can exist under
government." Wynehamer v. The People. 13 N.Y. Rep.378, 481

Great Britain to this day collects taxes from the American people.
The IRS is not an Agency of the United States Government.

All taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By
using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a
blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is
being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series,
which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which
is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was
U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K.
The form that is supposed to be used for this is form 8288,
FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288
form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The
OMB's-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by foreign persons, of U.S. Form #8288, #8288a.

These codes have since been changed to read as follows: IMF
300-309, Barred Assessment, CP 55 generated valid for MFT-30,
which is the code for the 1040 form. IMF 310-399 reads the same
as IMF 300-309, BMF 390-399 reads U.S.-U.K. Tax Treaty Claims.
Isn't it INCREDIBLE that a 1040 form is a payment of a tax to the
U.K.? Everybody is always looking to 26 U.S.C. for the law that
makes one liable for the so called Income Tax but, it is not in
there because it is not a Tax, it is debt collection through a private contract called the Constitution of the United States Article Six, Section One and various agreements. Is a cow paying an income tax when the machine gets connected to it's udders ? The answer is no. I have never known a cow that owns property or has been compensated for its labor. You own nothing that your labor has ever produced. You don't even own your labor or yourself. Your
labor is measured in current credit money, which is debt. You are
allowed to retain a small portion of your labor so that you can
have food, clothing shelter and most of all breed more slaves.

You see, we are cows, the IRS is company who milks the cows and
the United States Inc. is the veterinarian who takes care of the
herd and Great Britain is the Owner of the farm in fee simple. The
farm is held in allodium by the Pope. Now the picture will become
much clearer after reading the next few paragraphs. We will now
show the Popes involvement in the scheme of things. "Convinced
that the principles of religion contribute most powerfully to keep
nations in the state of passive obedience which they owe to their
princes, the high contracting parties declare it to be their intention to sustain in their respective states, those measures which the clergy may adopt with the aim of ameliorating their interests, so intimately connected with the preservation of the authority of the princes; and the contracting powers join in offering their thanks to the Pope for what he has already done for them, and solicit his constant cooperation in their views of submitting the nations." Article (3) Treaty of Varona (1822)

If the Sovereign Pontiff should nevertheless, insist on his law
being observed he must be obeyed. Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec,
lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844. Pontifical laws moreover become obligatory without being accepted or confirmed by secular rulers. Syllabus, prop. 28, 29, 44. Hence the jus nationale, (Federal Law) or the exceptional ecclesiastical laws prevalent in the United States, may be abolished at any time by the Sovereign Pontiff. Elements of Ecclesiastical Law. Vol. I 53-54. So could this be shown that the Pope rules the world?

The Pope (Vicar of Christ) claims to be the ultimate owner of
everything in the World. See Treaty of 1213, Papal Bulls of 1455
and 1492.

Don't let this information alarm you because without it you cannot
be free, You have to understand that all slavery and freedom
originates in the mind. When your mind allows you to accept and
understand that the United States, Great Britain and the Vatican
are corporations which are nothing but fictional entities which have been placed into your mind, you will understand that our slavery is because we believe in fictions.

THE END

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...We are SLAVES!!!!!!!
quote:
You see, we are cows...
So which is it? Slaves or cows?

--Tootsie "Cows With Guns"

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...A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

This is great news, first I didn't have to give my daughter to my corp's CEO - I want her back! 2nd I declare the corporation in my mind gets the rest of the summer on paid holiday. Heck, everyone gets a 25% raise!

OK bye-bye guys, see you in September!

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That Stephen Ames thing is one of the finest conspiracy theories I have seen yet. It's all over the internet, with instructions to "send this to everyone you kmow!!!!!" It's also attributed to Stephen Kimbol and Stephen Kimbol Ames. If you want to read something even more bizarre, try this series of emails which explain why Ames is an "enemy of the state"
Stephen Ames:
A Tortured Enemy Of The State
BY: Nicole Terry

Ames has "played a major role in the discovery and publication of the following facts?"
quote:
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 42 2.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. (Get the Disks)

12. The UN is a One World Super Government. (Get the Disks)

13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. (Get the Disks)

14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

17. You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

28. The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

31. " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

34. Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)

35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. (Get the Disks for the Essay and Documents.)

37. The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our" fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another's fictitious obligation. (Get the Disks)

38. The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves "Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Furor."etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the "Bank of International Settlements"is located.Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of "Government" in place. (Get the Disks and see the Documents for yourself.)

39. The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britian or King George. (Get the Disks for Documents and Essay.)

40. Guess who owns the UN?

(The disks are avaialbnle from Nicole)I think the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania one is my favorite.
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40. Guess who owns the UN?

Ummm, always thought it was Bill Gates, right?

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Oh, this is fabulous! We can stop singing that dreadful Star Spangled Banner and go back to singing God Save the Queen, which has a decent tune.
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Originally posted by snopes:
By: Stephen Ames

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as
follows: S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security (United States of
America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st
September 1997.

Just in case anyone believes this, here are the rather prosaic facts.

Back in 1984, the US government and the UK government came to an agreement concerning social security contributionsand benefits. Essentially the agreement was that UK citizens resident in the US could make and receive their social security contributions in the US and US citizens resident in the UK could make and receive theirs in the UK.

In 1996 these two governments agreed to amend the 1984 agreement. The amendment, which affects the process, not the principle, of the original agreement, came into force in English law by way of SI 1778 of 1997. As far as English law is concerned, this SI amends two English Acts of Parliamtent, the Social Security Administration Act 1992 and the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992; it also amends two earlier SIs made pursuant to these two Acts of Parliament: the the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1988 and the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1995.

SI 1778 of 1997 neither amends nor purports to amend any US legislation. Presumably the US honoured its side of the agreement be enacting its own social security legislation and equivalent of statutory instruments - and in so doing neither amended nor purported to amend any UK legislation.

Kate "sometimes law is boring: what can I say?" S

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25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)


Irs.gov doesn't list Publication 6209. Obviously, then, this is true.
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