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Comment: I have just received a video about a girl being abused by wearing a tube dress in japan... Is this true or scripted...

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On the off chance she is being abused don’t you think you should blur her breasts? Isn’t there a current thread where a snopes member had her breast grabbed the other day?
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It looks real, she looks back, looks toward the camera and generally confused.
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so the camera just happened to be there? Or was it a set up?

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Looks like a setup to me. One guy holding the camera (mobile phone or whatever), the other one sneeking up from behind. The camera seem to have been disguised in some way, because the girl doesn't look at it. She is rather looking around to seen whether anybody has seen that.

Anyway, it's a disgusting attack.

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Why is she holding the top where she is?
Why doesn't she pull the top up quicker? trust me as she already has hold of the top she couls easily yank it up quicker than she does.

looks like a fake to me

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Maybe she was just nervous and took her a while to realize what happened

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She wasn't holding the top until it got pulled down. I think she was confused for a moment by the fact that some idiot came and exposed her breasts on the street, and just took a moment to pull it back up. I hope the arsehole gets his pants and tighty whities shucked down in extremely cold shrinkage-inducing weather. What a jerk.

I should really stop posting in all these nude-pic threads, it seems I'm showing a disturbing trend in my posts that might portray me as a bit more of a pervert than I actually am. Only a bit more, but still. :/

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Can't watch the movie right now (at work), but just want to say that it's not hard to find japanese porn about random girls being abused (from groping and upskirt peeping to full-blown intercourse) in public places. Some are obviously scripted and taking place in a studio, others are less obviously scripted and sometimes taking place in real public places (of course, the most hardcore ones aren't, but the peeping/flashing/groping sometimes fall in this category). From what I can gather from the comments in this thread, it'd be hard to tell apart real assault and scripted event.

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@Oualawouzou: Her expression just screams "real at me. However, it's entirely possible she's just a really good actress. Go her if that's the case. If it's real, like I said, time to put the arsehole's naughty bits on display and see how he likes it.

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The long version of this video can be found on Stile Project !WARNING! Definately not safe for work or anywhere that other people use your computer. Its almost an hour long and consists of guys yanking girls pants, tops, skirts, etc. in Japan on the streets, and it is real as far as anyone can tell (the reactions from the women basically confirm that it's not staged, and there are many many unsuspecting victims).
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Looks like it takes her so long to get it back on because there is some sort of bra built in, or whe had own own strapless number. It's a little harder to pull those back up when there is spandex involved.
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It's real. Although if it's an actual stranger, or a paid actress is unknowen at this point.

A guy makes these, although I can't remember the site he has, and sells the video's.
I read somewhere that it's the lack of any strict harrassment laws in Japan, which is how these "film makers" are doing/have got away with, making these.

More "tanking". And some "sharking".

Subject matter in both links are NSFW.

**ETA**: Actually I'm not sure if he makes these or just distributes, but from around the net, this site seems to be where these video's are from.

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Well, that is a popular summer fashion here in Japan. And there is enough of a perv problem that many train lines run women only cars.

I'm positive that the location is definately Japan. Looks like my neighborhood...

But, her reaction doesn't seem very natural for a typical Japanese woman. That, plus the camera being there in the first place and the particular camera angle (which seems to show her off pretty well) seem to indicate a setup. But the big tell take is the flowers in the background. I'm no botanist, and if someone can correct me please do, but the potted flowering plant looks like something I've seen only in early spring, when almost no girls are wearing tubetops. Finally, clear bra straps are pretty much de rigure.

I say it's a set up.

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After viewing some of the other clips I am leaning toward set-up.

I mean unless attitudes are drastically different in Japan then America..

Many of the girls after the incedent ('sharking' or 'tanking') seem to just go on like nothing happened, no drastically looking around, no screaming, nothing, just walking along after adjusting themselves.

Beyond that, many of the girls are laughing about it after the fact, if I ran outside and pulled down some girls shirt I doubt the first thing she'd do is laugh it off.

I didn't watch the whole thing, just kinda skipped around, but the vast majority just ignored what happend and went on their way without so much of a second thought.

Some were actually laughting about it.

And a few ran after the person, or away.. Those are the only ones that seem 'real' to me.

Granted it is hard to catch their face because the camera goes berzerk (presumably from the filmer running).


Now again, unless attitudes on having your clothes pulled off are extremely different over there (I know we are more prudish here then most but really..) then I have to go with fake (set-up), at least for the majority of them.

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My instinct was for real, simply because some of the girls manage to prevent the exposure. If you were looking to make a fake, you would find a girl willing to expose herself, pay her the $15, and film away.
What I mean is, if the girl was in on the set-up, there'd be no reason for her to prevent her breasts from being exposed. The video won't sell as well if there's no exposure, and so if the girl wasn't willing, they'd just get a different girl.

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quote:
Originally posted by callee:
My instinct was for real, simply because some of the girls manage to prevent the exposure. If you were looking to make a fake, you would find a girl willing to expose herself, pay her the $15, and film away.
What I mean is, if the girl was in on the set-up, there'd be no reason for her to prevent her breasts from being exposed. The video won't sell as well if there's no exposure, and so if the girl wasn't willing, they'd just get a different girl.

I disagree, its obviously supposed to appeal to people who like seing women's clothes pulled off without them being aware correct? So if you wanted to have a staged duplication of that effect you would have them attempt to defend themselves.


To me the fact that many are laughing, and most just don't even really react, screams 'fake'. Unless women in Japan just don't mind that sort of thing.

One I saw had a girl in an elevator be 'sharked'. Now your telling me if a girl alone in an elevator with two strangers was suddently attacked and had her clothing torn off she would just be laughing the whole time? Or would she be thinking "wow I'm about to be raped here"?

Until an explanation for some laughing while its going on and for many just not even batting an eye after adjusting themselves can be given.. I'm gonna have to go with fake.

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After watching the sites 8Ball linked, I'd say the videos are almost definately (99.99%) faked.

quote:
Originally posted by callee:
My instinct was for real, simply because some of the girls manage to prevent the exposure. If you were looking to make a fake, you would find a girl willing to expose herself, pay her the $15, and film away.
What I mean is, if the girl was in on the set-up, there'd be no reason for her to prevent her breasts from being exposed. The video won't sell as well if there's no exposure, and so if the girl wasn't willing, they'd just get a different girl.

But that is excatly the set up. The OP video, and the others, are all Japanese. And Japan has a huge market for fantasy set ups of this sort. An entire sector of the sex industry is geared towards it (the so called "imakure" or "image clubs", brothels set up for role-play).

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Hmm, I can see this turning into another crazy Japanese game show.
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I believe it was staged. Japan would have had a victim interview article.

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quote:
Originally posted by verycoolnin:
Hmm, I can see this turning into another crazy Japanese game show.

I can also see a drinking game based upon said Japanese game show.
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quote:
Originally posted by verycoolnin:
Hmm, I can see this turning into another crazy Japanese game show.

While it wasn't exactly a game show, I have seen something a bit similar on an infamous old TV program here called "The 11PM Wide Show". Wide Show is Japanese English for a sort of talk and variety show. The show once featured a contest between two teams of porn starletts in which the each team tried to pull off the other teams bikini tops while chicken fighting in a pool.

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Also, on watching the original again, if you pay close attention to the very start, she's looking down as if she expects it.

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quote:
Originally posted by osakadave:
Also, on watching the original again, if you pay close attention to the very start, she's looking down as if she expects it.

No, she's looking down because someone is grabbing her breasts from behind.

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Am I evil for laughing at these videos? [fish]

Seriously, if I wasn't in a really pissy mood and someone did this to me I would prorbably laugh.

Also, they aren't doing the de-pantsing right, you need to pull them down and then step on them so they have to step out of them and run around nude from the waist down. Not that I ever did this to anyone, but if I did I was MUCH younger and had been drinking a bit too much.

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I vote for staged.For one thing,like it was mentionned before,there are very twisted japanese TV shows,something like this would be right up their alley.

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Needs more tentacles.

(reference to a wierd form of Nippon pr0n)

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I thought about starting another thread, but I don't think it warrants it.

You know how Japanese laws dumbfound our North American brains... Yesterday, I came across (by accident, might I add... honest! [fish] ) bukkake videos set in a street and in a park. I am 100% certain it was not a stage, and as far as I can tell, there were people going along their business as usual in the area.

Surely, this kind of thing would fall under obscenity or other laws against lewd acts in public? It looked like an elaborate thing, not like something a group of people tried to accomplish before the cops showed up or anything.

Or maybe it was an area temporarily closed to the public with fake passer-bys?...

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There are tons of these films at most neighborhood rental video shops around the country. Lots of them feature this same setup and are real. Real in that the victim has no idea of the taping and deed by the male actors.

These usually feature the woman's face censored using "mosaic" features. Most women will not file claims or report the filmmakers to the police, so rather not to risk embarassment or deal with the police.

The ones that are staged though usually provide a very good shot of the scene and a girl wearing something a little more provacative that might be easier to be torn or lifted off for a better visual effect.

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Looks real enough to me, seems like a sexually-driven, more perverse Japanese variation of "happy-slapping", which is very common among bloody annoying, delinquent kids with no respect for anyone else here in the West of Scotland, (the word we use for them is 'neds', and their English counterpart is 'chavs'.) Basically, "Happy-slapping" came about recently when mobile phones able to record videos in decent quality came onto the market at a reasonable enough price for the average ned to own, which was quite recently, and involves a team of neds, generally a pair, one of whom will position themself with their cameraphone in front of the innocent victim, possibly distracting them by asking them a question or just shouting something at them, although this isn't always the case, while their accomplice sneaks up behind and gives the victim a good slap about the head, although sometimes it gets more violent and people get punched, hit with some nearby object, bottled in the face or similar. From there it only seems a short jump to the Japanese equivelant to a ned rushing up and yanking down some poor girl's top while his mate giggles away behind his cameraphone and records it all, especially seeing as there's actually sufficient demand that people will pay for those videos as you lot have said, normally happy-slapping incidents only get shown to the slapper's mates or stuck on the internet for a few other neds to guffaw at.
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