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RayPV
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If you have speakers and you don't want others to hear extreme language, lower them. You have been warned.
I know there are some crazy people out there that probably don't deserve to be parents. But after listening to this video I wonder if this was actually real, seems like it is. I've always learned to remain calm during extreme situations, but man, nothing worked with this mother. What do you folks think, real or acted.

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Adelaide
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Whoa! Here's some thoughts:

1. It sounds like the kid turned the recorder on part way into the fight. Mom's first words are "Why are you doing this s***?" Why would he do that? Did he always plan on sharing it? He seems aware of the recording device and careful not to capture anyone's image directly (you can see some body parts and reflections, that's it).

2. The mom is clearly bonkers. I thought I heard the other male say that she's drunk, but then why is she going to work? Obviously there are major issues in this household.

3. As angry as she was, she didn't seem to get physical with him or start smashing his stuff. I know that people can be exclusively verbally abusive, but she was so over the edge that I kept expecting her to do that.

4. I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but the kid is no angel and has apparently picked up some of mom's abuse techniques. He clearly has her cornered and if he really wanted to de-escalate the situation, he could have lent her the car. But instead he seems to enjoy dragging it out and saying "Ask nicely." I'm trying to put myself in the mom's shoes, and I know I'd be frustrated if I were late to work and felt like my kid was deliberately preventing me from going.

Ick. I think I'll go hug my kids now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Adelaide:
2. The mom is clearly bonkers. I thought I heard the other male say that she's drunk, but then why is she going to work? Obviously there are major issues in this household.

I think he said "she's broke man".

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3. As angry as she was, she didn't seem to get physical with him or start smashing his stuff. I know that people can be exclusively verbally abusive, but she was so over the edge that I kept expecting her to do that.

Agreed. I don't know the backstory here, but the kid was being a total jerk, and I probably would have lost it and smashed his expensive computer monitor over his head.

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4. I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but the kid is no angel and has apparently picked up some of mom's abuse techniques. He clearly has her cornered and if he really wanted to de-escalate the situation, he could have lent her the car. But instead he seems to enjoy dragging it out and saying "Ask nicely." I'm trying to put myself in the mom's shoes, and I know I'd be frustrated if I were late to work and felt like my kid was deliberately preventing me from going.

No flames here -- I agree totally.

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i think IM gonna go hug my MOM!
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Tragic Story
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I vote fake.

For starters: They have WAY too many nice things to only have 1 car.

I saw a custom built computer, flat screen monitor, large TV with surround sound and of course the video camera used to film it.

No way they can have all that and the "mom" not have her own car or access to $50.

Secondly, as stated above no one's face was shown and through the conversation we find out enough to "set the scene" Not something that usually comes out in an argument. It seems staged to me. The 2nd man doesn't even try to step in and seperate them but lets it keep happening until he "steps in" to fill out the scene some more.

Finally, no one caught on that the video camera was on even though it was constantly being moved and adjusted.

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1. The kid knows his mother has a psychological condition and he is abusing her by being very manipulative. He didn't bother recording the first part of the argument where she may have actually been calm in asking to use his vehicle.

Later, she threatens to call the police and he says, "What are you going to tell them?" Evil. He knows that as a 16 year old he cant be arbitrarily kicked out of the house as a minor.

2. He is spoiled and selfish. He has a job but doesnt seem to help pay bills to help his mom. Stuff he has in his room that reveals this: a pretty nice computer setup with LCD screen, 32 inch television {looks like a Sony WEGA}, X-Box with at least six games, fancy chair next to his PC, and a decent printer (looks like an HP photosmart). He buys nice toys, has a car, and doesnt likely pay rent. Somebody steps in later in the video, sounds like mom's boyfriend or stepdad, and asks the kid for some money. The kid seems reluctant to give it to her.

3. This scenario (sans "psycho mom") is likely played out in many households. Kids dont respect parents , dont pay bills, leech off of everything in the household while contributing little. I feel for the mom on this one. He knows her buttons and he pushed them all. How could you not lend your car to your own mother who needs to go to work?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mementoed:
1. The kid knows his mother has a psychological condition and he is abusing her by being very manipulative. He didn't bother recording the first part of the argument where she may have actually been calm in asking to use his vehicle.

Later, she threatens to call the police and he says, "What are you going to tell them?" Evil. He knows that as a 16 year old he cant be arbitrarily kicked out of the house as a minor.

2. He is spoiled and selfish. He has a job but doesnt seem to help pay bills to help his mom. Stuff he has in his room that reveals this: a pretty nice computer setup with LCD screen, 32 inch television {looks like a Sony WEGA}, X-Box with at least six games, fancy chair next to his PC, and a decent printer (looks like an HP photosmart). He buys nice toys, has a car, and doesnt likely pay rent. Somebody steps in later in the video, sounds like mom's boyfriend or stepdad, and asks the kid for some money. The kid seems reluctant to give it to her.

3. This scenario (sans "psycho mom") is likely played out in many households. Kids dont respect parents , dont pay bills, leech off of everything in the household while contributing little. I feel for the mom on this one. He knows her buttons and he pushed them all. How could you not lend your car to your own mother who needs to go to work?

Ditto all that...

The kid appears to me to be a spoiled brat- period. Yeah the woman lost her cool- obviously, but he was egging her on.

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Am I the only one who thinks the kid didn't do anything wrong? Seems like the mom is pissed because her son won't let her borrow HIS car or HIS money . . . and if a screaming bitch was yelling in my face (amongst other things), mother or not, I wouldn't want to help her either . . . bravo to the kid for standing his ground . . . True, it appears that he is living "rent free," but duh . . . thats what minor children are supposed to do . . . I hope he taped the episode to report to child services . . . sadly, he might have to use it . . .
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I hate to admit this, but I have had the cops come out to a fight I had with my mom. That tape would get him at most over to his dad's house with instructions not to annoy his mother. In my limited (I swear!) experience the police don't really enjoy coming out to cases of teenage brattiness.

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Ana Ng
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I think that regardless of whether the kid is spoiled or what, she was out of control. I think everyone snaps and screams as a parent. (Put that down I'm calling the gypsies!) but she ranted for like, twenty hours.

As the parent, the onus is on you not to "escalate" or be manipulated by a kid.

Lastly, I hope I am never in a position where I feel that my only choice is to bully or badger money or transport from my kids.

Ana

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Whether real or not, whoever filmed it is clearly so spoilt that I'm ashamed to have seen it.
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TuFurg
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quote:
Originally posted by deftonesmoo:
Am I the only one who thinks the kid didn't do anything wrong? Seems like the mom is pissed because her son won't let her borrow HIS car or HIS money . . . and if a screaming bitch was yelling in my face (amongst other things), mother or not, I wouldn't want to help her either . . . he taped the episode to report to child services

I wouldn't say he didn't do anything wrong, but since when should a 16 year old be required to pay bills? I'm assuming bills to mean household expenses. That's a parents position and if the parent can't handle it, they'd better treat their kid a helluva lot better than this moron does.

I'd say he is recording her to either have proof or to perhaps play it back to her later to show her how she is when she gets that way. To me it doesn't sound rehearsed at all.

Possible scenario- the kid gets a bunch of money from his father (allowance, will, social security etc.) and basically lives better than his mother and perhaps likes to rub her nose in it from time to time- or maybe she just takes it that way.

In any event there's no way a child will ever learn respect when they're raised by such a person, so he's probably just living the way he was raised.

Don't get me wrong, I hate disrespectful punks and this kids possibly is one, but he's obviously suffered a history of this abuse and that's just not deserved.

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I used to have a friend with a mom who would yell like that. She was almost always drunk when she did it.
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quote:
Originally posted by deftonesmoo:
Am I the only one who thinks the kid didn't do anything wrong? Seems like the mom is pissed because her son won't let her borrow HIS car or HIS money . . . and if a screaming bitch was yelling in my face (amongst other things), mother or not, I wouldn't want to help her either . . . bravo to the kid for standing his ground . . . True, it appears that he is living "rent free," but duh . . . thats what minor children are supposed to do . . . I hope he taped the episode to report to child services . . . sadly, he might have to use it . . .

She claims to have "asked nicely" earlier, before the camera was rolling. We can only speculate...

-Tim

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I'm still a little confused about the back story. First, she wants his car. Then suddenly we find out she wants $50. What is it -- she wants both?

It was hard for me to follow between the swearing every third word...

We don't know the whole backstory. Maybe the mothers car broke down, had a dead battery, etc. so she wanted to use the kids car.

There's no excuse for acting like the mother. She's the parent, she's supposed to be in control. I would say a parent has no place using that kind of language in front of their kid, but that's my values and I know not everyone shares them. But the kid is far, far, FAR from innocent here.

When she threatened to send him to his father's, he seemed to get more riled up then any other time in the video. Makes you wonder what *he's* like...

-Tim

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It sounds like a dysfunctional household. It is hard to take sides on this. They both sound like jerks. Although after seeing all the nice stuff this kid has I don't think it came from all his money at 16.

The guy who intercedes(the mom's boyfriend perhaps) sounds like the real scary one here. His voice sounds like Harvey Keitel. He calmly and cooly asks for the 50 bucks. You can't help but notice a subtle intimadation in his entire conversation. I don't think he is one you would want to piss off. I like how the kid eventualy gives it up to him.

Sounds real to me.

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My sister acts just like that kid's mom. She will rant and rave, scream, hit, go into another part of the house, and continue to holler. It was like listening to a tape of my sister. She is twenty-seven, and still acts this way.

I think it is real. I think the reason the kid has so much nice stuff was probably because his dad bought it all for him. Here is a scenario that I have seen in broken homes too many times: Parents get divorce, child wants to live with dad, dad doesn't want child to live with him because it would "cramp his style," dad buys child off with expensive gifts. (You can replace "mom" with the word "dad" in this scenario, but you get the idea.) Anyhow, that would explain all the expensive crap he had in his room.


I think the kid was recording it and just didn't want her to know he was recording it (to show authorities, or his father, or whatever), so he kept it pointed away from the conversation. It seemed to me that for most of the fight (the latter part of it anyhow) the mom was in a different room than the kid, leaving him free to reposition the camera to pick up what she was saying bteter..

I don't think parents should treat their children that way no matter what the child is doing. Parents are supposed to keep their cool and set an example. I know that kids can push buttons, but my god! She was hysterical! He was a sixteen year old boy; at least he has an excuse for being immature.

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I don't think she asked for his CAR...I think she said CARD. (as in money card) I was under the impression at the beginning that he had snagged or borrowed her money card and would not return it because she didn't ask nicely enough. Maybe it was a gas card? I don't know what it was, but the woman needed to get to work so she can provide for her (more than one) child. Perhaps her car wouldn't start and she was in a hurry. Perhaps she knows if she is late she will lose her job. I don't know if she was drunk, on drugs, if the kid always acts like that, etc. It is really hard to judge someone based on the little information we have though.

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Ugh. My Mom is alot like this. Not quite as screechy... shrill, but not screaming. She's mellowed out only somewhat since I moved out, to somewhere she couldn't visit me every day. She still calls me almost every day though, and keeps me on no matter who I'm being rude to by staying on the phone with her.

I usually keep my cool, but sometimes I snap and lose mine as well. When I do, I know she hates when things are broken (I just realized this conciously now), so I broke things or hit myself. Once or twice, I even hit her. [Frown] Yes, I hate myself for it.

My Mom didn't have to freak out like this woman did over money... she just never really let me have any. We fought about me not getting out and doing stuff like getting a job, and then she prevented me from doing so.

She figured it was her responsibility to get me jobs, since, the couple of times I tried to get a job on my own, I disappointed her with the way I blew the interview, ro backed out of it, and whatnot, so I was inept to do it myself. Maybe the reason I backed out so many times was because I was afraid she would take any money I would make. In fact, the only money I've ever seen is birthday money, and she's even taken that.

In fairness, she never spent it on anything exorbitant (sp?), she always bought me what I wanted... and even stuff she thought I would like... but, like some economically challenged people seem to do, she spent on alot of little things.

Wow. What an epiphane. [Frown]

Anyway, enough about that. Sorry to hijack and make it about me. But I can relate.

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ChickeeD, my sister is 42 and still acts this way. I thought I was listening to her for a while, but she prefers the word mNFBSK-fNFBSK.

She's usually drunk when she acts that way, too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bach_girl:
[QB] I don't think she asked for his CAR...I think she said CARD. (as in money card)

You're right. 45 seconds into it she says "give me your f***ing card so I can use it, for gas." The last part isn't as clear since he starts to speak over her. Also at about 4:05 she shrieks "you can't even lend me $50 for gas!?!"

At one point when she says that she did ask nicely at first, he says "oh well", so it's quite possible that she did.

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$50 for gas? What is she driving and where does she live? We can fill our tank on $25.

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quote:
Originally posted by LadyLockeout:
$50 for gas? What is she driving and where does she live? We can fill our tank on $25.

I drive an SUV with a 22 gallon tank. Cost me $50 to fill when I run it dry although normally just $45.
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My $.02:

This sounds exactly like my mother, it could be her. I cried myself to sleep many times as a small child listening to scream-fests like this waged all over my home between my brother (9 years older) and my mother. How is it the child's fault if he behaaves immaturely when the mother behaves immaturely? The mother has a responsibility to be an adult here.

I thought I could handle my own mother by being accomodating, as some of you seem to be suggesting. It. doesn't. work. You can't accomodate crazy people and make them happy. The more you give, the more she takes. And she still makes up affronts to yell about anyway. And she thinks she can beat you up if you act weak. I think the kid is doing the right thing, just because my brother got beat up less than I did.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crackrzz:
Ugh. My Mom is alot like this. Not quite as screechy... shrill, but not screaming. She's mellowed out only somewhat since I moved out, to somewhere she couldn't visit me every day. She still calls me almost every day though, and keeps me on no matter who I'm being rude to by staying on the phone with her.

You know, Crackrzz, nobody can really "keep you on the phone" without your permission. You tell them you've got to go, and if they don't take the hint, you hang up. And if they call back, you don't pick it up. I've had to do this to my father once or twice. He's normally not much for the phone but get a few drinks into the man and suddenly he wants to talk...for hours...at three in the morning...

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quote:
Originally posted by timbobmc:
ChickeeD, my sister is 42 and still acts this way. I thought I was listening to her for a while, but she prefers the word mNFBSK-fNFBSK.

She's usually drunk when she acts that way, too.

Sadly, my sister doesn't need to be drunk to act like this. She is a recovering drug addict, and she doesn't even have to be messed up at all to scream and throw fits. She does it sober. It is a scary and sad thing to see.

My sister's first (and only, she is getting her tubes tied after the delivery) child is due in two months. If she treats her child like the woman in the OP, then you can bet I'll be calling child services on her.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tragic Story:
I vote fake.

For starters: They have WAY too many nice things to only have 1 car.

I saw a custom built computer, flat screen monitor, large TV with surround sound and of course the video camera used to film it.

No way they can have all that and the "mom" not have her own car or access to $50.

Ever heard about "buying too much stuff with your credit card and endebting yourself"? [Razz]
Or "broke till pay day because you bought a new (this) and (that)"?
I have seen plenty of families in this situation.

But I vote fake, too...

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quote:
Originally posted by kismet:
I think the kid is doing the right thing.

Not sure what he's doing that's right, perhaps some of it is semi-excusable, but talking that way to your parent isn't exactly right, especially when he egged her on as he did.

Of course he's learning some bad stuff from her, but there does come a time where common sense tells you that speaking a certain way to anyone isn't right.

Lastly, sorry you had to go through that ****. That's messed up.

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quote:
Originally posted by LadyLockeout:
$50 for gas? What is she driving and where does she live? We can fill our tank on $25.

What are you driving? A riding mower? I want to live by you. I paid 41.00 bucks to fill my Jeep Cherokee last week. Now that gas went down a bit it will probaly only cost me 38 bucks this week.

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Chickee Daizy
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[slight hijack] I drive a Plymouth Neon. It costs me a little under $25 to fill it. My SO drives a Oldmobile Intrigue and it costs him a little over $25 to fill his tank. Gas is around $2.15 in my area. So tanks can be filled for $25 depending on what you drive. I'm glad that I have a car with a small tank and good gas milage.[/end hijack]

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if I may....

1. Sounds like a typical good ole dysfunctional family. Add to that, a 16 year old teenager with a smart mouth and its almost a guaranteed recipe for disaster on a daily basis. But child services? Besides the fact that the mother is WAY crazy and said some ridiculously horrible things to her son, this reminds me a lot of the relationship me and mother had when I was that age(My mother however, though prone to losing her temper, never got anywhere near as crazy as this woman got).

I, was, to put it bluntly, a prick. Drugs, poor grades, disrespectful, etc, etc. I love my parents and they did an incredible job raising me. I cant even imagine what kind of hell I put them through at that age.

2. I completely agree that this kid should have given/lent his mother the money. But, if I may inquire, Are some of you people on acid? Last time I checked, it was a parents OBLIGATION to care for their children. Not the other way around. Some of the previous posters make it sound like this woman was doing her kids a favor by providing food and shelter for them. [Confused] And the teenager is spoiled why? Maybe he has all those nice things because he was able to buy them with the money HE made working. That kid should be able to do whatever he wants with his money. Once I turned 15 and was able to work, my parents made me. Gone were the days of them buying me videogames, cd's, paying for me to go out to movies/concerts with my friends, etc, etc. That took a major load off them financially. Rent? Groceries? Bills? Once he's 18, sure. Maybe I'm crazy but I think possibly kids should be concentrating more on something called SCHOOL than managing the finances of the household.

This kid is a spoiled brat? Hmmmm. The impression I got was strangely the opposite. Who was acting like a child and who was acting like an adult?

Son: "I said ask me nicely"
Mom: "Give me your fucking card so I can use it"
Son: "Ask me nicely"
Mom: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Son: "Why can't you ask me nicely"
Mom: "Stick it up your fucking ass I asked you nicely TEN MINUTES AGO...(undistinguishable screaming).."
Son: "Ask me nicely"
Mom: "Fucking bastard..GIVE ME THAT GOD DAMN CARD NOW"

Right.......

I'm pretty sure I just witnessed this scene(sans swearing) earlier today at the movie theatre with a child demanding that her mother buy her a Willie Wonka Candy bar. In the end, the mother didn't. What a horrible parent....

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It does seem fake. Like... why would the kid TAPE this happening? How did he KNOW his mom would come up and yell at him? There was not a peep from her (that we could hear) for the first 15-20 seconds of the video. Seems like a home made video gone wrong... and why is it on the internet?

"Mom stop yelling I'm trying to make an internet movie"

"Here's my TV"
"YELLYELLYELL"
"Mom, c'mon! Anyway, here's my Xbox games-"
"YELLYELLYELL"

"And that was my room. Hope you enjoyed it! Too bad I don't know how to edit this stuff. Oh well."

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Wow. I vote real for this one, sadly. Sounds like your typical let's push mom's buttons game. The mom was set up. The kid pushed her buttons right before he started taping. He knew what would happen, thus he had the camera at the ready. Typical stress overload in the morning, trying not to be late to work.

She asked nicely, ten minutes ago , for the gas card. He's lounging on his bed. Definitely a power play by this kid. She's broke (sometimes it's the day before payday and 'broke' happens). Can't tell if the kid finally said yes because the boyfriend promised to give him back his $50 or because the boyfriend was calm. My mom is like this; I moved away to get some much needed distance and quiet. Volatile people drive me crazy!

The whole family could benefit from counseling.

Men"been to counseling, it can help"olly

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When I wrote the post below I'd only read the first two posts in the thread; sorry.

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Originally posted by Adelaide:

4. I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but the kid is no angel and has apparently picked up some of mom's abuse techniques.

He's not only not an angel he's a manipulative, spoiled, snotty little sonofawhatever.

She wasn't asking for a car, she was asking for a "card" to get money (for gas so she could get back to work), which she very much needed, as she was "broke" (not drunk.) Little spoiled prince-asshole in his room with the large TV and large flat-screen monitor and digital video recording equipment to screw around with, decided he'd rather make her an idiot on ebaums than to be a decent son, and would push as hard as possible to get her as upset as possible. He'd obviously done it before too. Little prince seems to quite enjoy holding things over mom's head, whether that be money or his non-custodial dad. He seems to enjoy playing them against one another too.

Wacko? I'd say she's at the end of her f**ing rope with the brat bastard. She should lock up ALL his beautiful and expensive things that she's paid for and kicked him right back to his dad.

I will say it's kind of funny (in a ha-ha way) that every week after checking in with ebaums I can come here and find something or other being discussed and questioned. [Big Grin]

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