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Nolly
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Saw this posted in a forum I subscribe to. Many think it's fake-while it looks like it could possibly be enhanced, I thought I'd post it here to get an expert opinion from Snopesters [Big Grin]
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How do you mean, "fake"? I guess there could be a yellow filter involved, but what else suggests it's fake? The moon looks that large because it's taken from a distance with a zoom lens.

Here's a map of the Acropolis showing the Parthenon - it seems to be aligned as you'd expect if you stood to the west of it and looked at the moon rising over it in the east. So the view is perfectly plausible. If you were really feeling thorough you could check the markings on the moon and make sure they were the right way up for Greece.

(edit) I assume the Parthenon itself is floodlit in the picture, not lit by the moon. If you're assuming moonlight then I can see that it would look wrong.

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There's a very thin, grey line between 'fake' and 'enhanced'... some would argue that if I 'enhance' the color of a photo I've taken and tweek the lighting, or take out an unsightly phone pole from an otherwise unmarred skyscape, the photo has been 'faked' because the image isn't a true representation of what the camera captured. Nevermind photographers have been doing it for decades to get the most pleasing image possible, but that's just me.

Anyway.

It's very possible that this is a composit of the Acropolis and a telephoto shot of a full moon. What could be inspiring the 'fake' comments is the ridgid outline below the Acropolis. I've seen other shots of it lit like that even without the moon's presence (there are a couple of good ones on the 'Yanni, Live at the Acropolis DVD), but in most of them the detail under the hill on which it stands isn't so well defined as this one. It just seems to have an unnaturally sharp outline to it, somehow.

It also looks as if the night sky and the area under the Acropolis is all the same shade, but that may be a result of the picture being shrunk down from some larger size.

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Edited to clarify a sentence or two.

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Richard W
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... Just realised that it probably isn't the Parthenon in the top picture. Your two pictures don't show the same building. But I still don't see anything inherently "fake" looking about the top one.
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The top picture appeared in 'MX', an evening throwaway here in Melbourne. It's captioned, "A spectacular full moon rises behind the ancient temple of Poseidon in Sounio, about 73 km south-west of Athens". The moon is not nearly as yellow in MX.

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It's definitely been enhanced. The yellowness gives it away, along with the largeness of the moon, which is an eye-illusion. A camera shows the moon smaller. A telephoto might have done it, Richard W, but I have my doubts. Also, the front lighting on the building hints that this is probably a double exposure, given the different brightness of the moon and lights.

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Gibbie
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The moon is at its closest point in many years this week contributing to the illusion of size. A version of this photo appeared in my local paper this morning. Looks like it was taken a little earlier than this one. Be back with links.

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Impossible to tell for sure at this low resolution, but I'd say this has been altered at the very least.

-Yellow hue
-Inconsistent lighting
-Unnatural boundary at the bottom of the ruins

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Gibbie
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Haven't been able to link to the photo I saw this morning but I did find this one also in Greece. Seems like Greece was the place to be for the moon yesterday.

I'm wondering why the color is putting everyone off. Surely you've seen orange and yellow moons before? Especially at moon rise or set when the moon is low in the sky. It's a trick of the atmosphere.

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It's one of a series of photos shot by AP Photographer Petros Giannakouris. The ruins are the ancient temple of Posseidon in Souino.

I found these images in a Yahoo! News search the results page is here.

Because I don't know how long that page will be valid, here are links to the individual shots in the series:

Moon rise

The next in the series and the one that appeared in my paper

The photo from the original post.

Moon at the Olympic Sculpture

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http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050623.html

I found this at the astronomy picture of the day website so it may be real.


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Richard W
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quote:
Originally posted by StewPot:
-Inconsistent lighting
-Unnatural boundary at the bottom of the ruins

It's dark in the picture, and the building is floodlit. There's nothing inconsistent about the lighting once you realise that the temple isn't lit by moonlight. The "unnatural boundary" is just a dark ridge in the foreground.

Anyway, Gibbie's found the source so it's a moot point.

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abbubmah
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The APOD gives the best description. A "Well planned" photo. And with a telephoto, Richard.

The text of some of those link kinda hint that the moon has "swooped" closer to the earth all of a sudden, to explain the larger size, when, in fact, it's the photo equipment that makes it appear so much larger.

The different sizes of the moon at perihelion ad aphelion are measurable, but not as noticable visually as the photo would imply.

Comparison of size.

The distance difference is about 50km, or a little more that one earth diameter. sounds like a lot until you consider actual distance, ~375km.

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I'd been led to believe as a kid that the largeness of the moon when rising was an optical illusion that could only be seen with the naked eye and couldn't be captured on film - that if you tried to photograph a rising moon, it would appear 'normal' size. (I have no idea where this claim came from...)

Clearly not the case from these pictures!

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abbubmah
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quote:
Originally posted by lots of stars in the Little Galaxy:
I'd been led to believe as a kid that the largeness of the moon when rising was an optical illusion that could only be seen with the naked eye and couldn't be captured on film - that if you tried to photograph a rising moon, it would appear 'normal' size. (I have no idea where this claim came from...)

Clearly not the case from these pictures!

No, you are correct. The Moon Illusion is a well-documented, but unsolved mystery.

The "big moon" in the above photo was taken with a telephoto camera lens, which magnifies the image. If you were to have taken the picture with a 50mm lens, which approximates the field of view of the human eye, you would have a fairly small moon.

For an example of magnification that I am particularly proud of:

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Taken thru my telescope eyepiece with a cheapie digital, handheld.

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Couldn't help it! THIS is an unretouched PHOTO taken out my back yard!!!! 11111!!! OMG OMG!!! Its teh end of the world!!! OMG!!! HAXORS!!!

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Oh I wish I could see it - I've been enjoying your input into this thread, Ole Pappy! [Frown]
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Tootsie Plunkette
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Copy and paste

http://notforprophet.org/pictures/bigmoon.jpg

to see Ole Pappy's 'unretouched' photo

and

http://notforprophet.org/pictures/moon.jpg

to see the magnification photo.

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Friggin' Frackin' Hotlink protection - I forgot to add the snopes board to the list.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ole Pappy:
The yellowness gives it away, along with the largeness of the moon, which is an eye-illusion. A camera shows the moon smaller. A telephoto might have done it, Richard W, but I have my doubts.

The size of the moon on film (mm) is equal to the focal length of the lens (mm) divided by 109.

Magazines do use composites for pictures like this -- one of the moon with a long lens and one of the subject with a shorter lens. I think this may be the case with this picture.

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Neffti Noel
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quote:
Originally posted by Neffti:
Oh I wish I could see it - I've been enjoying your input into this thread, Ole Pappy! [Frown]

[lol]

Oh thanks, I see it now and it was worth coming back for - that is my laugh of the day, thank you! [lol]

PS Didn't know Athens was in Louisiana! [Big Grin]

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