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http://cazic-thule.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3607

Pretty graphic

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The pic reminds me of a story I heard from this older Korean Gentlemen.

He told me once that when the railroads were put into place in Korea, people whom didn't have money for a night's stay at an inn used the railroad tracks as improvised pillows. He told me that back then, Koreans used to sleep on blocks of polished wood. Railroad tracks made good strong pillows.

Of course, when the train came by, and didn't stop in time....

As for the pic, I dunno, anymore pics, or a series of them?? Can't tell what kind of journal boxes are on the train. Would help to determine where this pic was made (i'm assuming say, India or some other Asian Country.)

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I'd say it's fake.Like the third poster in that thread pointed out,where's all the blood that's bound to spatter after such an accident?That and the bloody flesh seems too bright while the rest of the picture is darker
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blerch!

but...where's the body?

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And as someone in the other thread pointed out, why is the wheel of the train in the picture? Pretty convenient that the train stopped with the last wheel just after the body, leaving a perfect photo opportunity.
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1. There's not nearly enough blood on the surrounding rocks.
2. There's some blood spattered on the hand, but none on the face. How did that happen?
3. No part of him remained on the outside of the rail.
4. One of the train wheels that presumeably ran him down is right there, but there doesn't seem to be any blood on it. Believeable, I guess, but suspicious.
5. There is a flap of skin/tissue laying over the rail. Why wasn't this severed as well? And where are the guy's bones? Shouldn't there be a humerus sticking out of that mess?
6. It's my understanding that the human hand rests slightly curled, not fully flat, like the pic shows.

I vote fake. The above are not proofs, but are questions I would need answered before I could vote real.

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I don't know if I'm missing something, but why does the train wheel have to be the one that cut him apart? If he was struck by the wheel at the front of the train, and then the train stopped (who knows how long the train is?) it's possible one of the wheels further down the train came to rest on him like this.

I'm not saying the picture's authentic, just trying to answer one of Wonko's questions.

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WonkoTheSane
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You're right, Rose. Of course it's possible that the wheel pictured isn't the one that ran him down and cut him in two. But coupled with the other inconsistencies, the wheel being right there just makes the whole thing seems suspect. There's a bit of tissue draped over the rail inches beyond his head. Why wasn't that cut as cleanly as his torso was?

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I can't get the pic to come up!
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Devil's Advocate: A fully loaded train weighs A LOT, it wouldn't need to be moving at any speed to do damage like that. The wheel could still be in the picture because this is a track worker who fell under the train as it was loading/unloading cars, thus the train barely moved and crushed the man, and the wheel is still in the picture.
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ugh... a link to CTC...

Assuming it is fake, I'd lean towards it being a physical effects job as opposed to a photo edit.

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Sister Ray
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For a moment I thought that this guy (WARNING: that site contains many post-mortem photos) had somehow been taken over by some site that wants to be offensive. I was all prepared to be mad, but instead was just disappointed.

Although the picture I linked to threw me for a second. I looked at it and thought it was odd. I then did a double take and said: "Holy NFBSK, that's just a head!"

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I see no reason to suspect fakery. I don't get why this board is so skeptical all the time.
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quote:
Originally posted by Queen Mushroom:
I see no reason to suspect fakery. I don't get why this board is so skeptical all the time.

Because that is kind of the point of the board.

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quote:
Originally posted by Queen Mushroom:
I see no reason to suspect fakery. I don't get why this board is so skeptical all the time.

It's what we do.


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ETA: Oops took too long [Smile]

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Queen Mushroom
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Uh huh, you guys are really clever and all, but sometimes it seems like you're being skeptical just for the hell of it. People see "evidence" of Photoshopping even in pictures that are genuine. Do you actually know anything about photography and Photoshopping techniques, or are you just saying it to sound smart? It's kind of silly. You're like the opposite of Ghoststudy.
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quote:
Originally posted by Queen Mushroom:
I see no reason to suspect fakery. I don't get why this board is so skeptical all the time.

I see plenty of reason to suspect fakery: most of it has to do with the graphic nature of the picture and how it's being spread (e-mail, forums), and not necessarily the picture itself.

Wonko expresses some questions that an examination of the picture raises. If you see no reason to suspect fakery, why not take a stab at answering them?

We're skeptical because it's the nfbsking point of the forum! People ask "is this real?" Because of that, we have to look at any potential reasons why it might not be genuine.

But anyways, welcome to the board. Hope you enjoy your stay.

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Do you actually know anything about photography and Photoshopping techniques, or are you just saying it to sound smart?
Another point is that even if the photo has not been touched up, it is possible it has been staged physically.

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Morpheus's Nightmare
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You HAVE to be sceptical with these photo's

But I'm undecided on this one, the lack of blood and bone are strange, but who's to say where the head is now is where it was severed.

what is convincing is the dust on the hand, the hand would more than likly have been palm down on the gravel (wether suicide or not) and the colour on that seems right to me, the head is very convincing as well. If it's a fake it's a good one

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quote:
Originally posted by Queen Mushroom:
Uh huh, you guys are really clever and all, but sometimes it seems like you're being skeptical just for the hell of it. People see "evidence" of Photoshopping even in pictures that are genuine. Do you actually know anything about photography and Photoshopping techniques, or are you just saying it to sound smart? It's kind of silly. You're like the opposite of Ghoststudy.

We don't usually debunk ULs to be 'clever', and to be skeptical for the 'hell' of it would be a waste of our time. The purpose of this particular forum is to offer suggestions to a picture someone posts, asking "is it real?" Based on what I see, I believe the picture is fake. Does that mean I'm skeptical of the photo just to look cool to the people here? Of course not. Does that mean I'm sure I'm right, and no matter what proof I'm given, I'll always deny it? Of course not. If you have a differing opinion about the photo in the OP, please, by all means, lets hear it.

For me, I just can't simply say, "Well, it's on the Internet, so it must be true". It's part of my nature to want to decide what is real for myself, and not blindly accept everything set in front of me as true.

I have my own set of opinions on matters. This board offers great discussion with intelligent people who have opinions of their own, and that's what makes the debates so interesting.

Welcome to the boards, by the way [Smile]

Wonko "It's also part of my nature to be long-winded" the Sane

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Sister Ray
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quote:
Originally posted by Morpheus's Nightmare:


But I'm undecided on this one, the lack of blood and bone are strange, but who's to say where the head is now is where it was severed.

There's too much blood, I think, to have it not be the original site. Not that I think the picture is real - it looks staged - but I think it's supposed to look like the place where the head was severed.

The flesh near the arm looks weird to me. It looks like a soft lump, and I can't think of a single body part that could be that...

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StratoGal
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quote:
Originally posted by cevik:
Devil's Advocate: A fully loaded train weighs A LOT, it wouldn't need to be moving at any speed to do damage like that. The wheel could still be in the picture because this is a track worker who fell under the train as it was loading/unloading cars, thus the train barely moved and crushed the man, and the wheel is still in the picture.

I finally got the pic to come up...I can see your point, (sorta) but if it was moving THAT slowly...surely there would be a body and blood all over the place...There's enough blood pressure that if the wheel "barely moved and crushed the man" to THIS state blood should have been sprayed all over the place.
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quote:
Originally posted by Morpheus's Nightmare:
You HAVE to be sceptical with these photo's

But I'm undecided on this one, the lack of blood and bone are strange, but who's to say where the head is now is where it was severed.

Yes, but if that were the case..and the head was "moved" wouldn't it have had the crap pummeled out of it bumping along the tracks...
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Thats a good point Stratogal

the head doesn't look battered, so it could well be the place where the "chop" happened, so you would expect there to be substantial blood stains on the ground rather than the few drops here and there, as the body has plenty of blood on it, why doesn't the ground?

but then not seeing anything like this for real how would i know!

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Fake, because of lack of blood, & no bloodspray(splatter). [Razz]
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quote:
It's kind of silly. You're like the opposite of Ghoststudy.
Different strokes...Some people would find the belief of the mysterious Skunk ape silly..
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quote:
Originally posted by Sister Ray:
For a moment I thought that this guy (WARNING: that site contains many post-mortem photos) had somehow been taken over by some site that wants to be offensive. I was all prepared to be mad, but instead was just disappointed."

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Subject had been in Palm Bay/Melbourn area appoximatly six months and slept under highway bridges. Property recovered from knapsack included two bibles and a red windbreaker
[lol] [lol] [lol]

Nol "So sorry...I couldn't resist" ly
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Not that I'm really adding much to the conversation, but I have seen 3 cases of people run over by trains in my life. The main thing that stands out in my mind is that (in the 2 cases which were hit by the wheels) the amputations were always very clean cuts. The wheels of the train upon the tracks act like scissors, and the cuts, as I said, always seemed eerily clean.

Admittedly, the one that really gave me that impression was discovered to have been dead prior to the train hitting him.

I have no clue as to wether these cases were the norm or not. Just suffice to say that the pic in the OP was much messier than the cases I've seen.

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Sister Ray
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Sister Ray:
For a moment I thought that this guy (WARNING: that site contains many post-mortem photos) had somehow been taken over by some site that wants to be offensive. I was all prepared to be mad, but instead was just disappointed."

Sister "actually not squeamish" Ray

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Subject had been in Palm Bay/Melbourn area appoximatly six months and slept under highway bridges. Property recovered from knapsack included two bibles and a red windbreaker
[lol] [lol] [lol]

Nol "So sorry...I couldn't resist" ly
[fish]

Okay, while I understand why you made the joke, I would like to note that humor directed at unidentified individuals are in poor taste. They don't even have the dignity of names; why do anything else at their expense?

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quote:
Originally posted by 24K_Kate&Allie:
quote:
Originally posted by Queen Mushroom:
I see no reason to suspect fakery. I don't get why this board is so skeptical all the time.

It's what we do.


24kKate

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I kind of asked a similar question quite a while ago here, about why most people automatically feel that these types of pictures are deliberately faked. Not necessarily only pictures of death scenes, but other pictures also. Perhaps it is "easier" to handle it being fake than horribly real.
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WonkoTheSane
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quote:
Originally posted by chinpira:
I kind of asked a similar question quite a while ago here, about why most people automatically feel that these types of pictures are deliberately faked. Not necessarily only pictures of death scenes, but other pictures also. Perhaps it is "easier" to handle it being fake than horribly real.

But I don't see it that way. I don't "automatically" make any kind of judgement on whether a pic is real or not. I look at it and then decide for myself one way or the other. That most people feel the pic is fake doesn't mean that they all "automatically" reached that conclusion, does it?

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This is the forum for posting "Is this picture real . . .?" queries. This forum is only for pictures of questionable authenticity -- it is not a place to post "Ha, ha, look at this funny picture" entries.
That is from the main photos page. I think that a lot of it is a matter of opinion. Atlanta Jake, so far, is the only person who seems to have seen actual instances of train meets man (apologies if I missed someone's entry to the contrary). The people on the boards come from very varied backgrounds which is what makes these boards work. There are literally people from all walks of life here. If it weren't for the boards, this whole site would be very difficult to maintain. The more you hang around, you'll see that some of these members really do a lot of virtual legwork to come to their conclusions. It's hard at first to see that but once you get to know the people around here you'll see they know from whence they speak.

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quote:
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[QUOTE] Atlanta Jake, so far, is the only person who seems to have seen actual instances of train meets man (apologies if I missed someone's entry to the contrary

Nobody still haven't disproven my Old Korean Mans Story. I'm still wondering if he was telling the truth, or just being the crazy old geezer that he is.
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