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Comment: What about the rumor that the San Diego Chargers were named
because of some credit card tie-in. From what I can Google, there seems
to be SOME basis for this, but it doesn't seem concrete.

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I was around when the Chargers were created in L.A.

The public explanation given at the time in the L.A. sports pages was that the football team took its name from the then-characteristic L.A.cheer which had arisen for the first time anywhere during the L.A. Dodgers World Championship 1959 season and later spread nationwide.

The cheer consisted of the playing of a pre-recorded cavalry bugle call: "Da-da da-Da da-DA" followed by the fans roaring "CHAAAARGE!!"

Thus the new AFL football team's name...
After, I believe, one year the Chargers moved to San Diego.

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The NBA recently nixed the idea of changing the name of the Memphis franchise the "Express" when they moved from Vancouver. FedEx has a huge presence in Memphis, and they were all ready to have a big marketing alliance. The NBA, however, said no, so they're the Memphis Grizzlies.

Of course, they allowed the WNBA's Connecticut franchise, which happens to play at the Mohegan Sun arena at the Mohegan Sun casino, to be named the Sun when they moved from Orlando.

Having a team named after a shipping company is a really bad idea, apparently, but not after a gambling institution.

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious:
The NBA recently nixed the idea of changing the name of the Memphis franchise the "Express" when they moved from Vancouver. FedEx has a huge presence in Memphis, and they were all ready to have a big marketing alliance. The NBA, however, said no, so they're the Memphis Grizzlies.

Of course, they allowed the WNBA's Connecticut franchise, which happens to play at the Mohegan Sun arena at the Mohegan Sun casino, to be named the Sun when they moved from Orlando.

Having a team named after a shipping company is a really bad idea, apparently, but not after a gambling institution.

But, of course, naming it after a packing company is OK, too.

Actually, there have been some teams named after businesses: Trenton Tip Tops of the Federal League (owned by the same guy who owned Tip Top Bread), Decatur (later Chicago) Staleys of the NFL (changed the name to the Bears).

As for charge cards, neither MasterCharge (now MasterCard, founded 1967) nor BankAmericard (now Visa, founded 1965) were in existance when the Chargers started playing in 1961. American Express and Diner's Club did exist, but I don't think they were based in California (and they weren't revolving charge cards -- you had to pay up each month). Other credit cards at the time were connected with individual businesses, so any name would have spotlighted the business, not the charge card.

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This may be picking nits, but I believe that the cards that you have to pay off every month are charge cards, while the ones on which you can carry a balance are credit cards. Not that it really matters with regards to the OP, though.

Even the NBA already has a team named specifically after a product - the Pistons. They were originally named the Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons after a product manufactured by owner Fred Zollner's company.

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From the official Chargers web site:
October 28, 1959. Gerald Courtney of Hollywood wins expenses-paid trip to Mexico City and Acapulco for submitting "Chargers" in name-the-team contest.

And from NFL Team Name Trivia
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The Los Angeles AFL franchise held a contest in 1960. Hollywood resident Gerald Courtney was awarded an all-expenses-paid trip to Mexico City and Acapulco after submitting Chargers. Three reasons for choosing Chargers have been offered - it sounded dynamic; the club’s new stationary featured a horse; and owner Baron [sic] Hilton had recently instituted the Carte Blanche card. The team kept the name when it moved to San Diego the following year
Carte Blanche was not a roaring success & was sold to Citibank in 1965.

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It is not in the San Diego Chargers official history, but I have another source:

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Barron Hilton, the hotel magnate, organized the team to start in the AFL in 1960 in Los Angeles. Fans were asked to submit names. The club's nickname was submitted by Gerald Courtney of Hollywood. Hilton selected 'Chargers' in part because it coincided with the arrival of the new Carte Blanche charge card. [Ref: Total Football].

Another view from Les Land:
For background purposes I was the first Business Manager of the Chargers
- from inception -1960 thru their 1963 Championship season.

As regards the selection of the name, my recollection and understanding is that Barron Hilton selected it because he liked the USC cheer of "CHARGE", and was influenced to some extent by his friend Tom Eddy, who was a graduate of USC; Tom was Barron's front and leg-man during the early formative years. I have never heard Barron indicate that the name was derived because of the credit card name "Carte Blanche".

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The Seattle Sonics were named after the supersonic jet plane, which was originally thought to be something Boeing was going to be working on (I think Airbus ended up making the SST). I guess that sort of qualifies as a team named after a product. I don't think Boeing owned any part of the Supes at the time, though.

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Originally posted by Zapruder the 13th - [/URL]

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LA can have the Chargers back. Please.

Blacked out once again.

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More obscure pro sports team name trivia:

The erstwhile Montreal Expos were named in honor of "Expo '67", as the 1967 World's Fair was known; it was hosted by Montreal the same year the baseball team came into existence. Oddly, Major League Baseball has said the team will probably keep the Expos name for the time being even as they move to Washington, DC (their official excuse is that they don't have enough turnaround time between now and next season to design a new logo, new uniforms, etc., although personally I don't buy it).

Other teams whose names have significance only to their cities of origin, but never bothered to change their names when they moved, include the New Orleans/Utah Jazz, the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers, and the Houston/Tennessee Oilers (they kept the Oilers nickname for two years after moving before finally switching to the Titans).

At least two team names were supposedly inspired, at least in part, by literary classics with local connections: the Baltimore Ravens (after the famous poem by Baltimorean Edgar Allen Poe) and the erstwhile Hartford Whalers (now the Carolina Hurricanes; the Whalers name was supposedly a reference to Moby Dick, which was set in New England and off its shores).

Finally, at least three current pro sports teams are named after specific individual people: The NFL's Cleveland Browns (after Paul Brown, the founder of the original Browns franchise), the NHL's Chicago Blackhawks (after a famous Winnebago Indian chief) and the NBA's new expansion team the Charlotte Bobcats (their owner's first name is Bob).

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quote:
Originally posted by Brains-Breath:
More obscure pro sports team name trivia:

Finally, at least three current pro sports teams are named after specific individual people: The NFL's Cleveland Browns (after Paul Brown, the founder of the original Browns franchise), the NHL's Chicago Blackhawks (after a famous Winnebago Indian chief) and the NBA's new expansion team the Charlotte Bobcats (their owner's first name is Bob).

You forgot the Buffalo Bills. (After the cowboy). It's easy to do though, the way they've been playing this year, I've been trying to forget them too. Also, Paul Brown also founded the rival Bengals, whose stadium bears his name.
http://www.bengals.com/team/history.asp

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quote:
Originally posted by Brains-Breath:
...New Orleans/Utah Jazz, the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers...

I read somewhere (I think it was ESPN.com) that the Lakers and Jazz have two of the most inappropriate team names based on their location. They suggested that they trade nicknames. [Smile]

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The erstwhile Montreal Expos were named in honor of "Expo '67", as the 1967 World's Fair was known; it was hosted by Montreal the same year the baseball team came into existence.
The Expos' first year was 1969, not 1967.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brains-Breath:
More obscure pro sports team name trivia:
Other teams whose names have significance only to their cities of origin, but never bothered to change their names when they moved, include the New Orleans/Utah Jazz, the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers, and the Houston/Tennessee Oilers (they kept the Oilers nickname for two years after moving before finally switching to the Titans).

I forgot to add these as well:
The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers/Los Angeles Dodgers
The Atlanta/Calgary Flames (remembering Sherman's burning of Atlanta)

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quote:
Originally posted by Illuminatus:
forgot to add these as well:
The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers/Los Angeles Dodgers
The Atlanta/Calgary Flames (remembering Sherman's burning of Atlanta)

And the flames had one of the coolest logos in pro sports:

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quote:
The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers/Los Angeles Dodgers
THANK YOU!
Because now I get what the "Dodger" was in reference to.
Every time that I've heard "Brooklyn" attached the trolley part was left out. Wow. Learn something everyday I guess.

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quote:
I forgot to add these as well:
The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers/Los Angeles Dodgers

But the team name has been just "Dodgers" (not "Trolley Dodgers") since long before the franchise left Brooklyn.

A more appropriate entry would be the Angels. They were so named because they were a Los Angeles club, but the franchise moved to Anaheim almost 40 years ago.

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quote:
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I forgot to add these as well:
The Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers/Los Angeles Dodgers

But the team name has been just "Dodgers" (not "Trolley Dodgers") since long before the franchise left Brooklyn.

A more appropriate entry would be the Angels. They were so named because they were a Los Angeles club, but the franchise moved to Anaheim almost 40 years ago.

- snopes

Snopes is right, they were known as the trolly dodgers unofficially, but the official name was just 'dodgers'.

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Don't forget the Sacramento Kings, formerly the Kansas City Kings (quick note: why does every Kansas City team have to be named after some sort of leader? You've got the old KC Kings, the Chiefs, the Royals... I think the next KC squad ought to be named the Napoleon Complex). Or the New York/San Francisco Giants (not sure what "Giants" has to do with NYC, but the football team shares the name, so there you go), the Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves (who were known in the 19th century as the Red Stockings after most of the star players from the original 1869-70 Cincinnati Red Stockings moved to the new club in Beantown), the Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals, and the Baltimore/Capital/Washington Bullets (now the Wizards). In the short-lived ABA, the Pittsburgh Pipers moved to Minnesota after the Muskies went belly-up and retained their old name (George Mikan was the commissioner at the time and basically demanded it). And, of course, the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore but allowed the city to retain the "Browns" name and, somehow, the history of the squad.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Furious:
quote:
Originally posted by Brains-Breath:
...New Orleans/Utah Jazz, the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers...

I read somewhere (I think it was ESPN.com) that the Lakers and Jazz have two of the most inappropriate team names based on their location. They suggested that they trade nicknames. [Smile]
Actually it's probably New Orleans Saints and Utah Jazz that they said should trade nicknames.
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Originally posted by Zapruder the 13th - The Series:
Actually it's probably New Orleans Saints and Utah Jazz that they said should trade nicknames.

No, it was the Lakers and Jazz. It was an NBA column. A Saints/Jazz trade makes sense, though. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by vampyrviolia:
LA can have the Chargers back. Please.

Blacked out once again.

Since this thread title is about the Chargers, I guess I can venture the myth about NFL blackouts that the local media perpetuate. Even though they know better, the San Diego Union-Tribune, printed a letter to the editor criticizing the team for discriminating against elderly folks who cannot attend in person. It is a widely-held and dubious belief that the Chargers, or CBS, or the local CBS affiliate control whether or not the games get shown on TV. This is a policy of the National Football League in their contract with television networks. If the Chargers could show games on TV, they would. The same thing happens in other cities.

Vampy, my snopes city-mate, respectfully and heart-felt, adding blackouts to the list of reasons of why the Chargers should leave, which is the result of discarding most people's number one reason the last six years (The Ticket Guarantee), just hurts. [Frown]

We can all hope to just have the best resolution to the stadium situation that is good for the team, the city and the uncounted county. This is an emotional issue for most people, and I didn't want this thread to go into petty bickering mode. [Smile]

Sorry for the sort-of thread hijack.

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If you hate blackouts, just come to New England! The Pats have sold out every home game since the 1994 season.

hmmm hmmm hmmm nothing to see here Patriots Set Consecutive Wins Record la la la la [Wink]

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But, of course, naming it after a packing company is OK, too.

The Packers got their name in a whole different era. When the NFL was just getting started, the entrance fee was miniscule - only $100 in the first season or two. In a few cases, the owner of a small business was able to pay up the fee, or would help pay a team's salaries (the only requirement for a team to continue playing professionally), and as a result the company name. Examples of which are the Green Bay Packers of course, and the Oorang Indians, run by the owner of the Oorang Dog Kennels of LaRue, Ohio. These teams were essentially a part of the company and, especially in the Oorang case, the games were often used as all-out promotions for the parent business.

Compare that to today. If a team were to be sponsored by a company, the money would go directly into the hands of the team's front office, with only a little bit trickling down into players' salaries. So, while a sponsor was sometimes necessary for a team (as a form of entertainment) to play professionally a year or two in the early days of the NFL, a sponsor today would mean more money for the team (as a business) to make more money.

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For odd team naming customs, I've always thought New York was interesting for it's "rhyming" teams: the Mets (baseball), the Jets (football), the Nets (originally in New York in the old ABA; I believe they then moved to New Jersey). During the very brief existence of the pro tennis league, New York fielded the Sets. When a friend of mine was running a game based on a sort of imaginary sport fantasy league, where silly team names were the rule, I considered naming my team the New York Debts. (However, when another player quit, I inherited his team, and couldn't resist keeping the name he'd given it: the Walla Walla Bing Bangs...)

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Slick:
Don't forget the Sacramento Kings, formerly the Kansas City Kings.

Don't be a piker. It's Rochester Royals/Cincinnati Royals/Kansas City-Omaha Kings/Kansas City Kings/Sacramento Kings.

Of course the record for most cities for a franchise is the Houston Mavericks/Carolina Cougars/Spirits of St. Louis. As the Cougars, they played home games each season in four cities: Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, and Winston-Salem. This was supposed to be the wave of the future: a regional team that used several cities as its base.

The Miami Floridians of the ABA also went regional, playing in Tampa, St. Petersberg, and Jacksonville in addition to Miami. They were formerly the Minnesota Muskies, putting the city count up to five.

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the Nets (originally in New York in the old ABA; I believe they then moved to New Jersey).

Actually, the Nets started their existence in 1967 as the Jersey Americans, playing in Teaneck, N.J., before moving to New York for a few years. I can still recall the team's commerical song.

We're the Jersey Americans, the Jersey Americans
The pride of the red, white, and blue-ue-ue-ue
We're the Jersey Americans, the Jersey Americans
And we all take out hats off to you.


Or something like that.

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They played in New Jersey for just one season, their first.

When the Teaneck Armory was unavailable for a playoff game, the Americans scheduled it for the Commack Arena on Long Island, which was primarily home to the Long Island Ducks EHL hockey team. They put a basketball floor over the ice. Water condensed on it and could not be stopped, so the Americans forfeited the game.

The next year, they moved to the Commack Area full time (evidently after solving the condensation problem). Commack became the smallest city (in the 20th century) to be the home to a major league sports team (current population: 36,000, so it was much less 30 years ago).

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