In an interview with Playboy magazine that will hit newsstands later this week, Owens is sure to cause controversy with remarks about the sexual orientation of former San Francisco 49ers teammate and current Browns quarterback Jeff Garcia.
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TO is a jerk. He's just bitter over the situation in San Fran and Garcia's involvement in it. The sad thing is that I've heard TO on the air here in Atlanta and he does seem to be a good guy. He just runs his mouth and showboats too much when he's on the field or talking about situations like this. BTW, I've seen the 2004 Playmate of the Year and I declare Jeff Garcia the winner of this battle. She's also involved in the WWE's $250,000 RAW Diva Challenge.
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I've seen interviews with TO, STF, and I get the same vibe you do. Deep down, he seems OK. The interview I remember is one where he was talking about his grandmother, and he seemed to get genuinely emotional, and shed real tears because he loved her so much.
Some of the things on the field he does, especially standing on the star in Dallas (I'm so glad George Teague laid him out), piss me off, but the things he does off the field really get my goat.
I mean, I know people who could be real jackasses while playing a sport. They talk trash, they taunt, etc. But off the field/court, they're as nice as pie. TO isn't generally like that. He's a showboat on the field, and he's a showboat off it. On the field, he backs it up with stellar performance. Off the field, though, his talent is somewhat more limited.
C'mon, TO, you said that you think Garcia is gay. It's insulting to tell people that you didn't. Oh wait, you enjoy insulting people. My bad.
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As a BAMA fan I almost mentioned Teague's involvement in laying out TO. That was a great moment. I remember the announcer saying something about TO fixing to pay because he saw Teague heading down there right behind Owens.
Now the time he grabbed the pom poms was comedy GOLD.
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If being gay means I get to date the Playmate of the Year, sign me up.
I agree that TO is a showboating jerk on the field. I loved when he got layed out for celebrating on the star. I get sick of guys doing over the top celebrations like that.
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I don't care if he is gay or isn't as long as he doesn't subject me to any of it. But I like the way Garcia responsed (from an article I read in the paper, I didn't read the article posted on this thread).
(paraphrased slightly) "C'mon guys, it was reported before I had a girlfriend"
Maybe she lives in Canada and he met her at Niagra Falls. (ref?)
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quote:Originally posted by CD: I don't care if he is gay or isn't as long as he doesn't subject me to any of it.
quote:Originally posted by STF: As a BAMA fan I almost mentioned Teague's involvement in laying out TO. That was a great moment. I remember the announcer saying something about TO fixing to pay because he saw Teague heading down there right behind Owens.
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NFBSK Terrell Owens, NFBSK Shawn Springs, and NFBSK the Sharpie. That's all I have to say.
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Garcia might not be gay in the sense that he has sex with other males, but in the youth vernacular, where gay means girly, soft, effeminate, and whiny he is GAY. I prefer to call him a girly man.
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Rhiandmoi, not to be Dr. PC or anything, but you're aware that using the word "gay" to mean soft, effeminate, and whiny is pretty offensive, right? My brother is gay, and he is neither girly, soft, effeminate, nor whiny. Neither is my cow-orker, or my opera singer friend.
Do you enjoy it when guys use the word "cunt" to mean "shrewish, dirty, and nasty"?
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yes. and yes.
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quote:Originally posted by CD: I don't care if he is gay or isn't as long as he doesn't subject me to any of it.
what does that mean, anyway?
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It means that if I don't have to see it, read about it, or hear about it, hence not exposing me to it, then I'm happy.
I watch football for the sport of it. I don't want to hear any soap operas about the players love lives (gay or straight). Just get out there and score some damn points. Keep your private lives private.
For example. Judas Priest was one of my favorite bands growing up. In the early 90s, when the lead singer "came out", it blew me away. I never stopped liking their music and even seen JP reunited at the Ozzfest this year and thought they were great. If Rob Halford was up onstage making out with dudes, or describing a homosexual romp I wouldn't like that. He just went up onstage and did what he is paid to do. Rock! Keep the rest to yourself.
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If he is homosexual or not I don't care, I'm glad he is taking his sub standard quarterbacking somewhere else. I don't care about being exposed to anything except his incomplete passes.
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Yes you do. Judging by your choice of words, you think that his alleged homosexuality is intrinsically related to his value as a quarterback. I am sure that if he had decided to sign with the Titans out of the CFL you would not be calling him gay right now.
Why don't you go get hit in the face with a pick-axe handle by Fred Phelps?
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quote:Originally posted by CD: It means that if I don't have to see it, read about it, or hear about it, hence not exposing me to it, then I'm happy.
So what's your opinion if you see, read about, hear about or are exposed to player's girlfriends?
Is it the same as if you see, read about, hear about or are exposed to player's boyfriends?
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Johny Slick, I think you are being offended for the sake of being offended. I don't think him being a bad quarterback is tied into whether or not he is homosexual. I think him being a bad quarterback is being tied into him being whiny. If he had signed with anyone else in the universe I would not be calling him whiny because I wouldn't care. He would not be on my team. He wouldn't be on my news. He wouldn't be in my life. Is it sad that the word gay is a loaded word? Yes it is sad. If there was another word for girly, soft, effeminate, and whiny like "glibglorb" I would say that he is glibglorb. I usually call him a whiny bitch, but that is a loaded word too.
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quote:Originally posted by CD: It means that if I don't have to see it, read about it, or hear about it, hence not exposing me to it, then I'm happy.
So what's your opinion if you see, read about, hear about or are exposed to player's girlfriends?
Is it the same as if you see, read about, hear about or are exposed to player's boyfriends?
Ok I'll try to explain this again. First of all, unless he beats her up, kills her (OJ), gets a restraining order against, or has a sick kid with, I never seem to read/hear/are exposed to players SO's. Could be from my lack of interest things which are not directly sports related, I don't know. Second of all I would react differently if I turned on a game and saw a player kissing his BF than if I saw a player kissing his GF (IMO I think its yucky. I don't condemn it, it just grosses me out a bit. I can have an opinion without being labeled something can't I? I don't like listening to country music, but I don't think there's anything wrong with people that do. Country music is yucky. IMO)
So no, I basically don't want to hear about any players love lives, gay or straight (haven't I said this before?) just throw the damn ball and make a play.
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quote:Originally posted by Rhode Island Rhiandmoi: Johny Slick, I think you are being offended for the sake of being offended. I don't think him being a bad quarterback is tied into whether or not he is homosexual. I think him being a bad quarterback is being tied into him being whiny. If he had signed with anyone else in the universe I would not be calling him whiny because I wouldn't care. He would not be on my team. He wouldn't be on my news. He wouldn't be in my life. Is it sad that the word gay is a loaded word? Yes it is sad. If there was another word for girly, soft, effeminate, and whiny like "glibglorb" I would say that he is glibglorb. I usually call him a whiny bitch, but that is a loaded word too.
Yeah, and since it's a loaded word that's derogatory towards women, you chose not to use it.
I admit that I haven't been getting a lot of sleep lately and as such I'm a bit more of a NFBSK than I normally am, but look. Whether you think somebody's getting offended just to be offended or not, the fact remains that equating men who are sexually attracted to other men with effeminacy *is* offensive. It's a mean thing to say of actual gay men, and it's also mean because it implies that straight men who do not conform to your narrow-minded stereotypes of how a man should behave are gay as well.
A lot of people here have pet issues. Cervus hates the fact that the world is seemingly geared to make life as happy and nice for children as possible. Bobo hates the PC. Pogue and First hate the other's political party. My pet issue is gender stereotypes. And quite frankly, as bad as it is when other men use the word "gay" in this way, I absolutely abhor it when women do. It's a little tiny bit like a white person calling a lazy black person a "nigger." Women, "gay" is not your issue - at least not this half of it. Lay the NFBSK off the term.
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Umm johnny slick, don't gay women exist? I think they are usually called lesbians.
I understand that you have a pet peeve. Thats fine. But you are being a NFBSK.
I chose not to call him a whiny bitch because this thread is about whether or not he is gay. You might review my comments and see that I have no idea if he is a homosexual or not, and frankly I do not care. It would not surprise me either way because I have no feeling about his sexual life. But there is a usage that exists in the youth culture that has nothing to do with sexuality that IMO he fits. IMO it has nothing to do with gender stereotypes or how a real man acts or whatever else you are reading into the word. You may even notice that I said what usage of the word I was invoking, lest there be any confusion. But since it matters to you, and I was not intending to be so offensive I will apologize. I am sorry. The only person that I meant to offend was Jeff Garcia and perhaps the Yorks and Terry Donahue for keeping him around 2 more years after I thought he should be on his way.
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I'm sorry, but do women constantly go around saying "Hey, check out that girl. She's working for a living and doesn't like to be around kids. She is SUCH a lesbian"? No, sorry, they don't. The end.
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quote:Originally posted by STF: As a BAMA fan I almost mentioned Teague's involvement in laying out TO. That was a great moment. I remember the announcer saying something about TO fixing to pay because he saw Teague heading down there right behind Owens.
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I know I'm jumping on this point kind of late, but George Teague was way out of line on that play. T.O. was acting like a huge NFBSKhole on that play, I agree. Take it out on him the next time they throw him the ball then. But don't blindside a guy after the play is over, that is never acceptable.
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Johny Slick, You need to take a nap or something.
But, for your information, women do say that about each other. Maybe you aren't listening because you are so hung up on your side of the issue. THE END??
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I am now well-rested, and oops, still offended. Hopefully, this will clarify things:
- I still have never heard a woman say "that is SO lesbian." I'll take your word for it that they do. Nonetheless, things like short haircuts and Birkenstocks are relatively minor things. If men just said "that is SO gay" when speaking of long hair or matching socks or sequined vests, I wouldn't have a problem with the term, either. However, men (and, what was the point of my ire, here, women) say "that is SO gay" when they see a man being emotional or sensitive, or, in this case, when a guy fails to exceed someone's lofty career-oriented expectations of them.
This has a lot more in common with the pre-1970s slam on working women, that "they secretly wish they were men." That's an unbelievably mean-spirited thing to say, is it not?
- Why is this offensive? Well, two reasons. For one thing, it stereotypes homosexual men, and the guys I know who lean that way do not conform to this stereotype one whit. For another thing, it implicitly cordons straight men off from certain behavior. You may think that there is nothing wrong with your statements (people who make bigoted comments rarely do), but you'd be wrong.
- Jeff Garcia is gay because he throws interceptions? That's preposterous. Think before you type.
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quote:Originally posted by Rhode Island Rhiandmoi: [QB But there is a usage that exists in the youth culture that has nothing to do with sexuality that IMO he fits. IMO it has nothing to do with gender stereotypes or how a real man acts or whatever else you are reading into the word. You may even notice that I said what usage of the word I was invoking, lest there be any confusion. [/QB]
Come now, you can't be serious. That usage of "gay" has everything to do with sexuality. It comes from the assumption that gay men are effeminate, weak, and inferior to straight men, and the assumption that effeminate men are always gay. When a person uses it that way, it says that "girly" and gay are one and the same. What other possible way could this usage have come about?
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Well you can think Birkenstocks and Short hairdos are a minor thing, but they are the same problem that you feel the word "gay" is. They say that if a woman is any of these things: outdoorsy, strong, confident, unemotional she is not a real woman. And women do say that about each other. Like I said, you might not be hearing it because you are so caught up with your own issues, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. And women who succeed today are still accused of penis envy and trying to be a man. Because the only people that have the right to be successful have penises.
And, FYI, I already said that I meant the comment to be offensive. I know it is an offensive word no matter what the usage is. That is the whole point of the word. I did not mean for you to get your personal knickers bunched up about it, and for cripes sake I apologized.
And as for the entymology of the word, I am not a linguist.
No Jeff Garcia is not gay because he throws interceptions. He is gay because when he is interviewed about how the game got out of control, he is whiny and makes excuses about the interceptions that he throws.
I challenge you to make up a word that fits what I am trying to communicate. That has a strong negative connotation, and yet is not offensive to any groups. It should also have a dirty sound if possible. Like mudface. From now on I will use your word. I don't think my suggestion of glibglorb is very elegant, but if nothing else comes up, glibglorb's fine with me. Or maybe mudface.
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"When I said Jeff Garcia was a nigger, I didn't mean he was black! I meant he was lazy! Come on, people! You're just trying to be offended!"
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How about a "whiney butt?" I personally think the use of the word "gay" in that context is very offensive and juvenile. I don't allow my sons or kids in my classroom when I guest teach to use it. It implies that gay men are whiney babies and sissys. It implies that being gay is a bad thing if you use the adjective on someone in a negative sense. It is particularly popular with teens and particularly harmful. Because you know many of the kids hearing it used this way are gay and struggling with self-esteem and identity themselves. Though Johny why, for the life of me, you should find the language more offensive when used by women than men is pretty offensive too.
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If only Playboy would get back to showing close-legged pubeless shots of tattooed, belly-button-pierced, tall, fake blondes with fake boobs, we'd all be a lot happier.
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I suggest the use of "wimp" to convey the combination of weakness, whining, helplessness, and cowardice that Terrell Owens finds so attractive. I have found it a useful term to describe both male and female friends and family members.
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