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Bach_girl
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Originally posted by kushiel's kidney:
Just have to throw in my recommendation for 'Cry to Heaven' - wonderful read, my favorite of Anne Rice's.

I was going to say the same thing. If you are at all interested in the castrati it is an amazing book.

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quote:
Originally posted by Filberta Cashew:
I did a little poking around the 'net myself after looking at this thread. Now this is disturbing.

I have to say that I am amazed nobody called this poster onto the carpet! The first link that is so VERY graphic is wrong on several levels... or at least VERY highly suspect.

To just use bands to do a castrations in a human would lead to sepsis at the very least, and there would have to be some flavor of surgery to close off the inguenal canal/sphincter as well or there would be horrific chances of a hernia from hell.

Secondly, the emasculation that was described would be a sign of a master surgeon as well. To completely re-route the urethra to under where the scrotum was... this ain't sumpthin' you could be doing in your basement.

In my opinion, this was a very good work of S&M fiction by somebody with a high-school education in medicine. I don't believe any part of it... my BS meter is pegged.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bach_girl:
quote:
Originally posted by kushiel's kidney:
Just have to throw in my recommendation for 'Cry to Heaven' - wonderful read, my favorite of Anne Rice's.

I was going to say the same thing. If you are at all interested in the castrati it is an amazing book.
Ditto on Cry To Heaven. A great book, written in the days when Anne Rice didn't suck.

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Originally posted by Ghost on Toast:
Oh boy am I ever going to make myself look stupid right now, but castration - I thought that was just the removal of the *ahem* lower two bits of that area and not the *umm* main instrument.

Becasue if the main *umm* part was still there, a man could not reproduce but could have intercourse so why let him guard the ladies? Unless the desire wasn't there...

Now I feel dumb....but anyone?

{ETA: Just looked at that website. Ouch. Glad I ate a while ago and not recently....}

It's hard to get much real information about what happens to someone after being castrated. It seems something that isn't researched that much, and most of what you find on the web is from fetish sites and the like (and we know how reliable those are). The link posted by Filberta Cashew is this kind of story, so I'm skeptical of it as well.

From my understanding, someone who has been castrated before puberty will never mature and can never have intercourse. However, if it happens after puberty, the person may still have erections, although the sex drive is diminished and sex can become more difficult. Keep in mind that testosterone is produced in other parts of the body as well. Of course, even if he can have sex, he can't reproduce.

By the way, castration refers to the removal of the testicles and sometimes the scrotum. Penectomy refers to the removal of the penis. Nullification refers to the removal of everything.

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There is a story of one Castrato who was capable of ...erm... performing masculine duties. I believe the name was Farinelli.

However, the whole idea of castrating people for something as minor as a singing voice makes me cringe...

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quote:
Originally posted by Casey, proving a circle:
However, the whole idea of castrating people for something as minor as a singing voice makes me cringe...

And cross your legs, I imagine. [Big Grin]

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Bach_girl
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Originally posted by Bach_girl:
quote:
Originally posted by kushiel's kidney:
Just have to throw in my recommendation for 'Cry to Heaven' - wonderful read, my favorite of Anne Rice's.

I was going to say the same thing. If you are at all interested in the castrati it is an amazing book.
After some thought I decided to put up a warning. This book contains graphic depictions of love/sex between men. If that is something that disturbs you, you probably shouldn't read this book.

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I'd like to third - fourth, or whatever, the recomendation for "Cry to Heaven." It is truly a wonderful book even if a little high on ewwww meter when it comes to graphic sex of any kind. At least in this fictional account of the lives of the Castrati they are having a lot more sex then one might assume.

I don't think Anne Rice could ever really "suck" her prose is transcendental; even when she is describing something ugly or gross the words are beautiful. Though, I will agree she has written a couple of stinkers as far as plot goes. [Wink]

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The castrati were actually prized lovers because the couldn't reproduce. They were the pop-stars of their day and, if successful, became very rich.

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Originally posted by Ebony Silence:
The castrati were actually prized lovers because the couldn't reproduce. They were the pop-stars of their day and, if successful, became very rich.

They also couldn't get an erection being castrated, so as far as their sex life is concerned they could only act as consultants. In theory they might have known what to do, but in practice they could only talk about it.

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Originally posted by FourKitties:


"The castrated boys--even those who could sing--were taunted mercilessly for being "freaks." If they turned out to be inferior singers, the musical institutions kicked them out. And where could they go? Now they were an embarrassment to their parents and ostracized by the community.
Four Kitties

My late mother was a voice teacher, and I remember an article from the National Association of Teachers of Singing about the castrati. It said that boys who, after the operation, did not have enough musical talent for a top-flight operatic career were NOT just kicked out to starve. They could usually find a place in a church choir, if only in a parish church or provincial cathedral; even if they had not enough talent for that, the music schools also offered a good general education, and the church would find some sort of administrative/clerical job for them.

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Doesn't surprise me in the least. I did say that my "source" was questionable!

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quote:
Originally posted by Floater:
They also couldn't get an erection being castrated, so as far as their sex life is concerned they could only act as consultants. In theory they might have known what to do, but in practice they could only talk about it.

They were not fully castrated. Only the testicles were removed. It is possible to get an erection with this form of castration. This should not be confused with the the Eunuchs who had everything removed.

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Originally posted by Ebony Silence:
This should not be confused with the the Eunuchs who had everything removed.

You're thinking of nullification. Eunuch were only castrated and many harem woman prefer eunuchs because they could perform better.

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Originally posted by Floater:

They also couldn't get an erection being castrated, so as far as their sex life is concerned they could only act as consultants. In theory they might have known what to do, but in practice they could only talk about it.

Is this where we insert [Big Grin] the idea of sex involving more than an erect penis?

If they were thought safe by husbands and consorts because of castration, then they could gain eough access to enguage in any activity a female may pay for or wish from them. [Embarrassed]

Of course, the husband/consort would usually be perterbed by even this...espcially if publically known. [Mad]

So, disgression was still a watch word even if little feet wouldn't be created. [Wink]

Of course the whole idea of eunuchs was almost completely seperate from a sexual harem concept. They were mainly used as servants to the ruler, not as guards of his women.

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Well I would recommend a documentary called "American Eunuch". It's about men who have voluntarily been castrated. One man did it himself with rubberbands and a sharp knife. Of course he immediately went to the hospital.
He is also not shy about it. He appears nude throughout the documentary. It's creepy seeing a rod without the tackle. He also talks about his ability with concentration and medication to achieve an erection.

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The closest we will ever get to hear what a castarati sounded like may be some one that has hypogonadism. There is a great jazz singer named Jimmy Scott that has Kallmann's Syndrome and never took a any hormone replacement treatment, creating a very unique voice. Here is a website that has a article and a sample of his music Jimmy Scott.

Maybe closer to a true castarati is David Solomons' sound another person with KS who does more of a classical sound David's site

Hope these links work I am still iffy on http stuff.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Silence:
Only the testicles were removed.

Which happens to be the definition of castration: the removal of the gonads. This also means that they had no sex drive.

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Originally posted by Ebony Silence:
Only the testicles were removed.

Which happens to be the definition of castration: the removal of the gonads. This also means that they had no sex drive.
That depends. The adrenal glands also produce testosterone, although not as much, but in some people more than others. Hence, although the sex drive was not as strong as in an intact man they probably felt some.

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