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LadyLockeout
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A friend of mine ranted about this in his livejournal entry (he's epileptic), and I find myself wondering if it could possibly be true? I hope this is the right forum for this:

"'Brainstorming', the buzzword used by executives to generate ideas among their staff, has been deemed politically incorrect by civil servants because it is thought to be offensive to people with brain disorders.
Instead staff at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment (DETI) in Belfast will use the term 'thought-showers' when they get together to think creatively. A spokeswoman said: 'The DETI does not use the term brainstorming on its training courses on the grounds that it may be deemed pejorative.'"

http://asmallvictory.net/archives/009401.html

Is the only link I could find about it so far.

ETA: Link to Observer

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1515084,00.html

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The BBC has it in their list of words for 2002. Political correctness gone mad.

After doing a bit of Googling, it seems to be well known in the schools of the UK.

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Personally, I find 'Thought-showers' extremely offensive.

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Offensive, no. Annoying, yes.

Then again I always found the term 'brainstorming' a little irritating, too.

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Me too. It's ridiculous. I mentioned this thread to a friend who has epilepsy this morning and her response was largely unprintable.
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Oh. Ye. Gods.

"Thought-showers" sounds like something one should do after reading/seeing something obscene.

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What if my thoughts are golden? [fish]

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Shadowduck
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quote:
Originally posted by Cervus:
What if my thoughts are golden? [fish]

Thank DOYC I wasn't the only one who thought that! [lol]

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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowduck:
quote:
Originally posted by Cervus:
What if my thoughts are golden? [fish]

Thank DOYC I wasn't the only one who thought that! [lol]

Shadow "typed the reply, but thought better of it" Duck

So did I but I chickened out...made me laugh. If I hear that one in a management situation I'm going to be thinking just that. [Big Grin]
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I don't like brainstorms. They mess up my hair. [fish]

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My first thought was that commercial where a bunch of business men are having a meeting in a locker room because the guy in charge does his best thinking in the shower.

I thought maybe someone was taking that idea seriously.

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Why would "brainstorming" possibly be un-PC? It may be an overused word (and thus, as Shadowduck pointed out, annoying), but un-PC? No way.

And just exactly how are "nit-picking" and "manila" related to the slave trade?

Methinks the "PC police" have way too much time on their hands.

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I really don't like either term, but "thought-showers" just sounds dirty.

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A primary school teacher I know told me that she uses "thought-shower" rather than "brain-storming" with her pupils because the latter sounds more negative.
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I was taught to refer to the process as mind-mapping. I haven't heard of a thought-shower before.
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueStar:
A primary school teacher I know told me that she uses "thought-shower" rather than "brain-storming" with her pupils because the latter sounds more negative.

I really dont see how it could be nefgiticve. All a storm would be is a more frenzied pattern of thought over something less intense. If you were thinking, I would want to have more activitiy going on in my head.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
Why would "brainstorming" possibly be un-PC? It may be an overused word (and thus, as Shadowduck pointed out, annoying), but un-PC? No way.

I think you may have misunderstood me slightly. I referred to 'thought showers' as annoying (in response and contrast to someone saying they found it offensive), I then went on to add that I also find 'brain storming' irritating - partly because, as you say, it's overused but mainly because it's one of the many jargony management buzzwords I hear on a daily basis.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
And just exactly how are "nit-picking" and "manila" related to the slave trade?

Nit-picking refers to searching the head for lice. Something monkeys and chimps do. And lice are also related to a lack of hygiene. Given the conditions on slave ships, I can imagine how the connection arose.

Manila I assume refers to the city, but I don't know whether it was a destination on the slave routes.

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Nit-picking refers to searching the head for lice. Something monkeys and chimps do. And lice are also related to a lack of hygiene. Given the conditions on slave ships, I can imagine how the connection arose.

I have heard of "nitty gritty" being found un-PC, but never "nit-picking".

Of course monkeys and chimps pick nits. It's the sociable thing to do! But then again, so do humans (we just don't eat them afterwards...). Nits are the tiny eggs of headlice - nit-picking refers to the fine work of getting them out of one's hair. I have always presumed that the phrase "going through something with a fine-toothed comb" had the same genesis.

As a child I was told that headlice infestation was not related to poor hygiene - lice love clean hair, we were told. however, closely packed people would aid the spread of headlice. That's about the only connection to slave-ships I can work out.

Other kinds of parasites - fleas, body lice etc - are not referred to as nits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Embra:
As a child I was told that headlice infestation was not related to poor hygiene - lice love clean hair

Lies to soothe the dirty infested.
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quote:

Of course monkeys and chimps pick nits. It's the sociable thing to do! But then again, so do humans (we just don't eat them afterwards...).

I read in a Bathroom Read that chimps are actually picking off bits of dead skin, not nits. But that's a topic for another thread.

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quote:
Originally posted by TB Tabby:
I read in a Bathroom Read that chimps are actually picking off bits of dead skin, not nits. But that's a topic for another thread.

Uncle John's Bathroom Readers are a marvelous compendium of urban legends, false etymologies and outright falsehoods. They are also invariably quoting secondary and tertiary sources. I would not exactly consider them authoritative reference material.

Their biggest sin from my pov is that they never give citations/references.

I grant you, however, that they're pretty entertaining.

Seaboe

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quote:
Originally posted by Holly Golightly:
I was taught to refer to the process as mind-mapping. I haven't heard of a thought-shower before.

I've been taught that mind-mapping is a certain technic to visualise creative thinking. I seem to remember that it even had a (TM) behind the name.

I've been using and hearing "brainstorming" a lot, it is a common term in Business-German at least since the 80's. If it is deemed non-PC or irritating, why don't they just call the process "creative thinking"?

Don "I would like to have a shower, but I didn't pay my thought-bill" Enrico

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My mum also told me that the reason I got a lot of mosquito bites must be because I smelled so sweet. I made the mistake of telling my primary school teacher this, and she said "Didn't you know? They only like the smell of rotting meat!"


What a meanie... [Big Grin]

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Can someone kindly explain how "brainstorming" is even the mildest bit offensive? Is there a historic connotation to the word that I'm just not getting?

Is the word "armchair" offensive to people missing an upper limb?

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"brainstorm" is a rather archaic term for an epileptic seizure. It meant something it doesn't mean any more like vapors or hysteria.

ETA: While it appears to be over-reacting or overly PC, there has been a lot of stigma associated with epilepsy historically. Before anti-seizure medication was available, epileptics were often put into homes for the mentally retarded. In ancient times, epilepsy was believed to be the result of sex during a woman's period: in other words, the result of sin. As common as it is, it's often hidden. My brother was 32 years old before he knew that our mother is epileptic. She grew up in the kind of atmosphere where it was simply not talked about. And just so you know, should you ever encounter someone having a seizure do NOT, repeat NOT stick a finger or pencil in the person's mouth.

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Thanks, didn't know that. The closest thing on dictionary.com is: "A sudden, violent disturbance of the mind", which I didn't find significant while mixed in with all the standard 'brainstorming' entries...

At what point does a word become so detatched from its history so-as not to worry about it anymore? For example, if the crowbar legend was true, should we be renaming that tool to something else, even though almost nobody would know the history of it?

I'm not into etymology, but I'm guessing there are countless words in our language that stem from something no longer considered politically correct...

-Tim

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quote:
Originally posted by Rehcsif Mit:


At what point does a word become so detatched from its history so-as not to worry about it anymore? For example, if the crowbar legend was true, should we be renaming that tool to something else, even though almost nobody would know the history of it?

I'm not into etymology, but I'm guessing there are countless words in our language that stem from something no longer considered politically correct...

-Tim

Hysteria is an excellent example of this. It was a mental condition thought to be caused by the uterus.

http://www.best-home-remedies.com/nervous_system/hysteria.htm

Now days, most people don't even realize it has a medical definition at all.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gayle:
Hysteria is an excellent example of this. It was a mental condition thought to be caused by the uterus.

http://www.best-home-remedies.com/nervous_system/hysteria.htm

Now days, most people don't even realize it has a medical definition at all.

Is that even an up-do-date diagnostic gide in your link? Do people still suffer from "hysteria", and if so, what is the modern-day name for the disorder?

- Pseudo_Croat

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
Do people still suffer from "hysteria", and if so, what is the modern-day name for the disorder?

Now it is called somatization disorder and there are people who suffer from it. It is part of a larger group the somatoform disorders.

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At my job, they told us to stop using the corporate buzzphrase "bi-polar training" and replace it with corporate buzzphrase "production diversification" for PC reasons.

Woo-hoo! First post!

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From my experience of UK police force, 2000 -

The term "brain-storming" was to be replaced by the term "board-blasting", due to the former's negative connotations with mental illness, neorological disorders, and any form of trauma to the brain.

Circulated at the same time was a poster blaring "Everyone has the responsibility to challenge inappropriate behaviour", which was so poorly defined as to be useless.

Not merely the "right", but the "responsibility", mark you!

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"Board blasting" makes me think of that movie with the pirates attacking a boardroom meeting. (What was that movie? The whole thing wasn't about pirates and boardroom guys, just the beginning...)

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Originally posted by TrishDaDish:
"Board blasting" makes me think of that movie with the pirates attacking a boardroom meeting. (What was that movie? The whole thing wasn't about pirates and boardroom guys, just the beginning...)

Monty Python's "the Meaning of Life" (The Short titled "the Crimson Permanent Assurance" at the start, later revisited).
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