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Colonist of the North
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I was checking on the lighter news stories on ca.msn.com (french) and there was a particular intressting one.

there was a Turkish man claiming Steve is of Arabic root.

Mustafa = Esteban (spanish/Portugese) = Stephane(french) = Steve (English)

anyone know if it true? [Smile] Just fell like being the first poster on Languages! [Big Grin]

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Originally posted by Colonist of the North:
I was checking on the lighter news stories on ca.msn.com (french) and there was a particular intressting one.

there was a Turkish man claiming Steve is of Arabic root.

Mustafa = Esteban (spanish/Portugese) = Stephane(french) = Steve (English)

anyone know if it true? [Smile] Just fell like being the first poster on Languages! [Big Grin]

The name is from the Greek 'stephanos', meaning a 'crown' or 'garland'.

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The Spider in the Ointment
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A lot of Western names are Biblical, which makes them Semitic in origin in the main... James-Jacob etc and even Jesus are Muslim personal names.

Arabs are Semites too of course. Anti-Arab is anti-Semite, not just anti-Jewish.

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Originally posted by The Spider in the Ointment:
James-Jacob etc and even Jesus are Muslim personal names.

Jesus died between 33 and 36 (AD or CE, whichever you prefer).

Islam did not begin until the 6th century (AD or CE, whichever you prefer).

So there is no way that names from the New Testament (let alone the Old Testament) could have been Muslim "first".

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Originally posted by The Spider in the Ointment:
James-Jacob etc and even Jesus are Muslim personal names.

Jesus died between 33 and 36 (AD or CE, whichever you prefer).

Islam did not begin until the 6th century (AD or CE, whichever you prefer).

So there is no way that names from the New Testament (let alone the Old Testament) could have been Muslim "first".

I don't believe TSITO said anything about "first"- he merely pointed out that many Muslims use those names as well.

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Actually, Muslims could have been first; Jesus' name wasn't Jesus to the people he lived with, it was Yeshua. "Jesus" is the Latinized form.

But the Arabic form of "Jesus" is "Issa," which doesn't help either.

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Sweet mother of Baal, folks! Here's the thing:

Before there was Judaism or Christianity or Islam, there were a whole bunch of people living in today's Middle East. And they all spoke Egyptian or proto-Aramaic or Tocharian B or Akkadian or something like that.

Now, did the same Egyptian or proto-Aramaic of Akkadian or Tocharian B names develop into "Jewish," "Christian," and "Muslim" names? Yes, and in that order.

However, the name Stephen isn't one of those names; it's from the Greek.

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Actually, Muslims could have been first; Jesus' name wasn't Jesus to the people he lived with, it was Yeshua. "Jesus" is the Latinized form.

No, actually, it's a Latinization of the Greek form.

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But the Arabic form of "Jesus" is "Issa," which doesn't help either.
I would suggest that "Issa" is the Arabic form of "Yeshua," actually.
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Actually, I did know about that as well, SVB, I was just pointing out what I felt TSITO had actually said.

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what I found really interesting was the old egyptian gods and fables that ended up being reworked into the bible. don't ask me to remember them off hand though...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Spider in the Ointment:
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So there is no way that names from the New Testament (let alone the Old Testament) could have been Muslim "first".

Jesus f-ing smug pedants!

I didn't say they were Muslim first, I was saying that they are cognate! Comprende?

And I didn't say that Stephen itself was necessarily from Arabic... although if it is a Greek name that wouldn't necessarily stop it being in Arabic. The Middle East was under heavy Greek influence for a number of centuries, and preserved certain aspects of their culture such as mathematics better than the West... Muslims are supposed to have names from the Koran, but it's not impossible that a non-Muslim Arab could have this name. I don't think Stephen appears in the Koran, although some of what Christians might term "New Testament Material" appears in it.

"I would suggest that "Issa" is the Arabic form of "Yeshua," actually."

Same bloody thing. Jesus and Issa are cognates, even if they have a common Hebrew origin (or Aramaic, before someone pipes up and says it really comes from there instead.). Curiously Gaelic uses the form "Iosa" (eesa) which is much more similar to the Arabic than the straight hellenized Jesus (Yes that's Latin, but taken VIA Greek).

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I'm sorry I just had to laugh, because everytime I hear the name Steve I always think back to one of my childhood friends, everytime we played house or Barbies she always made her boyfriend's name be Steve. And when my cousin was little she went through a serious tomboy phase for like a year and she wanted everyone to call her Steve.
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Jason Threadslayer
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The Arabic name for Jesus is actually Yasou. The Quran calls him Isa, but that could be another case of Mohammed mistakenly assuming that the Hebrew "el" (god) at the beginning of a word was a cognate for the Arabic word "al" (the) which would make Isa either either Elisha or Elijah. (Another example would be how Alexander became al-Iskander.)

Seeing as how the Arabic culture was not a major player on the world stage until the late 7th/early 8th centuries, it is highly unlikely that the name Stephen is of Arabic origin. A Greek origin for Stephen is best. The preservation of ancient Greek works in Arabic did not occur until much too late for the name to originate in Arabic. The name was already in use by the 1st century at least. The conquests of Alexander the Great did much to spread Greek culture, but as far as I can tell, they introduced Greek culture to the native cultures but did not bring native culture to Greek culture.

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at the beginning of a word was a cognate for the Arabic word "al" (the) which would make Isa either either Elisha or Elijah. (Another example would be how Alexander became al-Iskander.)

The same thing happened to Lawrence of Arabia... I believe he got known as El-Aurans (or however you wish to spell it) in Arabic.
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