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Comment: Any comment on the "raisins/virgins" debate? A scholar has allegedly claimed
that the controversial passage in the Quran which promises "dark-eyed virgins"
to wait upon and give sexual pleasure to martyrs for Islam is actually a
mistranslation, and that the original text is closer in meaning to "white
raisins of crystal clarity." I've searched the topic online and found the
article in various forms, and the existence of the article at least seems to be
true.

However, the methodology supposedly used by this scholar seems suspect: he
apparently has taken select words from the Quran and has translated them from
the Syriac dialect rather than from Arabic. (It seems to me we could all alter
the meaning of most writings if we choose to translate certain words from
another language.)

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Oh, darn, I bet there are a lot of disappointed men in Paradise!
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Astra
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"I'm supposed to do WHAT with that raisin?"

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Fusca 1976
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quote:
Originally posted by Astra the Hound DAWG:
"I'm supposed to do WHAT with that raisin?"

Don't ask... and I won't tell.

Luís Henrique

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
Comment: Any comment on the "raisins/virgins" debate? A scholar has allegedly claimed
that the controversial passage in the Quran which promises "dark-eyed virgins" to wait upon and give sexual pleasure to martyrs for Islam is actually a mistranslation, and that the original text is closer in meaning to "white raisins of crystal clarity."

Well, wanting sexual pleasures from dark-eyed virgins is probably a bad raisin for wanting to go to heaven in the first place [Big Grin]

buf 'not all my puns are grape ones' ungla

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As much as I love raisins, if that were promised as my eternal reward, I think I'd have to find a new religion.

Uncle "Church of the Eternal Wrinkled Fruit" Bubba

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Radical New Views of Islam and the Origins of the Koran

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For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply "white." Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for "houri," which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means "white raisin."

Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages dealing with paradise to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors.

Sharon "Heard It Through the Grapevine" Weintraub
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abbubmah
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It's true, I found it on the internet.

Uncle "you can find ANYTHING on the internet" Bubba

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George Kingfish Stevens
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Some more information on this subject:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/011214.html

Although it does not address the OP's specific question.

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