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Lotta Palaver
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If you live in Char-Meck and you lose a pet--beware! This happened to a coworker this week and I have to say this beats all. Sometime Saturday her dog (actually, the dog belongs to her daughter who is spending a semester in Italy) got out of the house and disappeared. Maria and her family looked for the dog, put up posters and asked people in the neighborhood to be on the lookout for it, but it wasn't until Tuesday morning that she thought to contact animal control (that would seem to be the obvious thing to me to do, but beside the point now). She looked on the animal control website and sure enough there was her dog on the lost pets page. So she calls the shelter and says that the dog is hers and can she come get her. Get this, the shelter says the dog had just been adopted that very morning (interesting since the shelter had only been open a few minutes at the time of the call). Maria tried to fight them but they claimed that the dog had been there over 72 hours, it now legally belonged to someone else and there was nothing they could do. They were pretty nasty about it.

Maria just had to get this dog back and somehow got the number of the new owner. She had not come to pick up the dog yet and told Maria this cock and bull story about how she had to have a dog by 3:00 that day and if Maria wanted her dog back, she needed to find an alternative dog because it was going to be a present for her 5 year old grandson or some garbage like that. It couldn't be any old dog; it had to be a black chihuahua. Maria made some calls trying to find another dog for the woman, but she was never satisfied with she came up with.

Another coworker of mine who is really into dogs tried to reason with the lady by explaining that a chihuahua wasn't the best breed for a small child and wouldn't it be better if Maria just gave her the money so she could shop for a dog herself to be sure she one she really wanted. Bingo! Obviously, that's what this chick wanted to begin with and decided that $500 would cover all the time and effort she had gone through, the emotional anguish of giving up a dog she hadn't even taken home yet and the cost of a replacement dog.

Maria was desperate to get the dog back and agreed to meet the woman and do the transaction. This sounded like a pretty scary setup so I insisted she take someone with her, preferably male. She managed to get the father of a friend to the animal shelter with her. He's an attorney and he threatened legal action against the animal shelter and said they had better have their paperwork in order. Maria said the woman who came to collect the $500 was definitely a crack or something addict. No surprise there.

The whole thing sounds like a setup to me. It was clearly extortion. For one thing, how long does the average shelter dog wait to be adopted? How did this dog get adopted so quickly? Obviously, the crack whore was a scam artist, but we're wondering how much the animal shelter is involved. I have heard of pets being basically kidnapped and held until someone puts up a reward for them, but I've never heard of anything go this far, but I'm sure some of you have.

My other coworker, the dog lover, got in touch with a local TV station to see if they would investigate. I don't know if anything will come of it or if that's even a good idea since Maria doesn't want her daughter to find out about the incident.

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I used to volunteer at an animal shelter - there was a hold on all animals that came in - I don't recall for how long but I'm thinking it was a week.

That's a strange story. At least she got the dog back so it's a happy ending!

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First of all, it does sound like a scam. Secondly, 3 days does not seem excessively short.

In my city:

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How long are animals kept before they are available for adoption?
Animals with identification are held for owner pick up for a minimum of seven days and the owner is contacted by phone. If the owner does not make contact within this time frame, the animal is made available for adoption.

Animals without identification are held for 4 days for owner pickup before being made available for adoption.

But I cannot see why animal control would adopt the dog out instead of giving it back to the owner.

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A tiny chihuahua could have certainly been adopted in less than an hour. Most shelters have a waiting list of people for a certain breed, and once it legally becomes the property of the shelter they begin calling immmeadiatly. The last chihuahua I recall having at work had a family in less than 15 min. The first person I called rushed over to the facility to look at and adopt him. Still everyting about this story is odd.
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Kitten in the rain
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Seconded what StillandSilent said. Most dogs and cats of an identifyable 'breed' have waiting lists for them. So if one goes to the shelter, the very moment it can be adopted (and three days is not unusual) it will be.

Shelters have to move animals fast. They cannot afford to sit on animals and let them take up cages on the off chance that some owner will FINALLY decide to call about the animal. Most people will call all the local shelters immediately after an animal is lost, so it's not unreasonable to assume that after three days, no one is going to call.

To be honest, it doesn't sound like a scam to me. It sounds like a woman who has been waiting for god only knows how long for a dog of a specific breed (no matter how ill-chosen) to give to her son, and now she finally gets one, and then the owner comes whining along to take it away from her and make her keep waiting. Yes, most people would probably just deal with the dissapointment, but I can't really blame someone who doesn't. I know that in that lady's place, I'd wonder why the owner hadn't bothered to call the shelter for three days, and why the animal did not have a collar or a microchipping.

IMO, Maria brought this on herself. She did not make sure the dog had identification on it for if it got out (a collar or a microchip or better yet, both) and she did not immediately call the local shelters after the dog dissapeared. To then turn around and blame some woman who she is arbitrarily labelling a crack whore is extremely childish. She should accept the responsibility for her (in)actions and move on. She's lucky she got the dog back at all.

Bringing a lawyer in and having him threaten the shelter with a lawsuit was also a pretty cruddy thing to do. If anything, the person who should be able to sue the shelter is the "crack whore", as they never should have given you her number without her permission.

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This story is weird in more than one direction. In Los Angeles, city shelters are legally required to hold a "stray" dog for seven days before putting it up for adoption. I realize you're in SC, but three days over a weekend is an awfully short time to keep a dog that wasn't turned in by its owner.

Even if it was a popular breed, there's still something odd about an adopter being ready to pick up the dog at opening time Tuesday morning after it got out of Maria's house "sometime Saturday". That part almost sounds like the shelter participating in some kind of a scam. It also may offer a reason for the serious misconduct involved in the shelter letting Maria have any contact information about the adopter.

Something very weird is going on with the shelter, quite possibly involving what amounts to making ransom demands. If I were an investigatve reporter, I'd look at the shelter's intake and adoption records to see if I could spot a pattern of incidents like this.

Maria and her daughter were also insanely stupid. The dog was living at a different house with neither a chip nor a tag, while Mom was spending a semester in Italy? The dog got out "sometime Saturday"? What was Maria doing all day, heroin? And it didn't occur to her to contact the shelter until Tuesday?

I'm concerned and suspicious about the shelter's behavior, but I'm horrified with Maria's. She was very lucky. Losing $500 may be enough tuition to make her think seriously about the consequences of her (and her daughter's) idiocy. Smack the shelter with a fresh trout, smack Maria and her daughter with a week-old sturgeon.

Gotta get back to work,

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ladyknight
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I'm kind of curious...how soon do you folks think that the animal shelter should be contacted? I know when our dogs have gotten out before, we've tried to find them on our own before contacting animal control. And if your dog is in the backyard, or another room, you don't know when it gets out...if you were there, you probably would have tried to stop it getting out!
Both sides acted idiotically in my opinion, and I think the shelter might need to rethink the whole "over 72 hours". If that 72 hours includes a Sunday, really you're down to 48 hours, and I don't know of anywhere that will turn pets around that quick.

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First off, chill with the name calling, please.
The pet owner was negligent in not having a tag on the dog. The pet owner's mother may have been responsible for letting the dog out.
That being said, the animal shelter in my town isn't even open for business on weekends. So if I lost a dog, I couldn't even contact animal control until Monday if I lost a dog on Saturday.

It does seem like a scam to me. How much did the lady who adopted the dog have to pay the shelter? I would think reimbursing her that amount should be sufficient.

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I've learned to call the shelter as soon as I know a dog is missing after my elkhound spent the night at one. Even if your dog isn't at the shelter they know to contact you in case someone brings it in. If it is at the shelter you've saved yourself some hunting and worrying. Guruwan2b, does your shelter at least have an answering service? There ought to be some way to contact them on the weekend.

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I would recommend that Maria check the shelter's website for their written policy on holds. 72 hours over a weekend does not sound like enough time, IMHO. I'm wondering if it's meant to be 72 business hours (that would exclude Sundays and, possibly Saturdays as well). If the dog were to get out while the owners were gone for the weekend, they would be screwed, wouldn't they? If Maria wants to pursue this, she could talk to the shelter's director or manager and ask about wait lists for breeds, etc. Maria could also file a complaint with this person, suggesting that they consider lengthening the hold period before allowing adoptions.

This given, Maria should definitely been more on the ball. I would have looked for my pet for maybe a couple of hours before calling the shelter. It's a precautionary thing, that way if the animal DOES come in, they'll call you and you can expand your search in the meantime.

I think Maria learned an expensive lesson but, unless the shelter employee(s) ignored a written policy, I don't see that she has any other recourse. Of course, if it does turn out that the employee was running some sort of scam, there might be criminal as well as civil penalties, but I think it's a pretty long shot.

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When my puppy was missing, I found out where the animal control person lives and went to her house.
That's about the only way....

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For starters, South Carolina law requires that for a owner,
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To obtain release of a dog or cat, an owner must prove that the dog or cat is currently inoculated against rabies and also pay an impound or quarantine fee determined by the governing body of the county or municipality.
to the shelter that has the animal.

And, if I read SECTION 47-3-60. Disposition of quarantined or impounded animals. (WARNING: horrible web page formatting alert)correctly, it appears that shelters must hold all animals for a minimum of five days to ensure that the animal does not have rabies.

Saturday to Tuesday is only a four day quarantine period and therefore should not have been ready for pick-up by a new owner until Wednesday at the earliest. Also, since you did not mention that your friend had to show inoculation records to allow the release of the dog that was released to a new owner earlier than the 5 day quarantine period had ended, I would advise her to call her lawyer friend and find out exactly why the shelter is not abiding by SC laws.

ETA: A much better web page for the SC laws regulating shelters and domestic pets.

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I have a feeling the OP didn't get all the story. Like dog went loose Saturday and a week and a half later on Tuesday morning they called. Or some other "little" detail that would make the coworkers sound a little less victimized.

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quote:
Originally posted by guruwan2b:
First off, chill with the name calling, please.

I'm not sure there has been any name calling. There have been statements about idiocy and stupidity, but those were directed at the actions (or inactions) of the people involved. [ETA: Except for the use of "crack whore" in the OP...I missed that the first time.]

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Given the choice between believing that a co-worker "bent the truth a bit" to look more victimized, especially a co-worker who was arbitrarily deciding that people were crack whores, and believing that a shelter blatantly broke the law, I'd side with the shelter. There's too much risk of them getting into legal trouble for way, way too little gain.

If one of my cats got out and didn't return promptly, I would start bombarding the local shelters with calls the next morning. (Reason being that I'd want to give the cat through the night to decide to come back.) If my cat were to run out on a Friday, I'd start bombarding within hours, since I wouldn't want to have to wait all weekend.

That having been said, both of our cats have collars with our address and phone number on the tag, and they're going to get microchipped at their next vet appointment. (It's finally looking like all the shelters in the area are using the same scanner, or compatible ones, or what have you.) So there's a good chance that if they were to end up at a shelter, the staff there would call me.

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I'll (pretend to) apologize about the name calling. I used the words "idiocy" and "insanely stupid" to criticize behavior, but yes, it was also attacking the people. Perhaps this was over the top. I don't necessarily see the descriptions as inaccurate, but if anyone was offended, I'm sorry you were offended.

At the same time, the OP struck me as a "how dare they" attempt at justifying, or explaining away, extremely irresponsible (is that better? probably not) behavior.

Yes, there's someting bizarre going on at the shelter. I thought about the possibility woohmom suggested, that maybe there was a week between the Saturday when Maria discovered the dog's absence and the Tuesday when she thought to call the local shelter. This makes the timing of the adoption much more plausible, though it still doesn't address the privacy violation. It's the privacy thing that makes me wonder if there's a racket going on.

Kitten, you're right about the risk/gain ratio, but the person(s) involved may either not be thinking clearly or may have done this more than once, figuring the risk does not multiply whereas the revenue does. They may also believe they have a connection that will let them escape retribution.

My presentation may have been a bit too colorful, but I stand by my allocation of misconduct. It should be noted that the trout and the sturgeon were strictly figurative. No actual fish were harmed during the deployment of that particular metaphor.

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The OP just says she "somehow" got the number of the new owner. Maybe they live in a sufficiently tight-knit community that she could have found out who had adopted the dog without the shelter's help.

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Before the adoption took place? Maaaay-be...

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I have to say, while there is a possibility of a scam here, especially with a small, purebred dog, the majority of the fault, one way or the other, lies with the pet owner. If you can afford to own a dog, you can afford to microchip it. It's simply, quick, and CHEAP. You can also afford to use common sense and call the shelters AS SOON as a pet goes missing. Really, that should be one of the first things you do. The one time Jake dog got out, I called the shelter within 15 min. of discovering he was missing, and was rewarded with the news that he was there, safe and sound. Look at it this way. If a kid went missing, would you wait three days and put up posters before calling the cops?

Given that those two things operated in concert, I wouldn't say that this person isn't an appropriate guardian for a dog.

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People do seem to sometimes leave an extraordinary amount of time between losing a pet and calling the animal shelters. When I was looking for a cat in 2000 I found a lovely little thing in the local RSPCA shelter - she'd been up for rehoming for a week and had been at the shelter for three. I said I'd like to adopt her - and three days later, while the paperwork was being carried out, I got a phone call to say that her original owner had come forward and she had gone home.

If my pet went missing the RSPCA would be the first people I'd contact, and I wouldn't wait for three weeks either! I was happy that the cat went to her "real" home but I also worried that her owners didn't care that much about her...

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I would pay the $500 to get my dog back, as that has to be the first priority.

Then I'd file a police report against the woman for the extortion, just to make a point. I don't know, perhaps they do this on a large scale, and if so, if more police reports starts dropping in, something may be done about it.

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If the dog legally belonged to the woman, how was her selling it for $500 extortion?
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I wouldn't really be that concerned about the details of legality there. There would be enough doubt about it to make it last for long enough to be embarrassing for her, even if it doesn't stick in the long run.

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Maybe because when you adopt an animal from the shelter (I've seen 80-100$) turning around and selling it for "breeder" costs is wrong. That seems weird Mosh...anyways...I would look @ shelter policys
If she thought the woman was "shoddy" why did she go through with it? $500 is a little steep.

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If she thought the woman was "shoddy" why did she go through with it? $500 is a little steep.
I presume you have never had a dog?

It's a bit like if your kid go kidnapped. You don't haggle with the kidnappers because the ransom is a little steep.

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I actually have a dog and a cat *both* rescues. One dog ran away in December. A kid is not a dog. Maybe I'm insensitive towards small dogs, but that is a going rate for breeded ones. My point was if she didn't get a good vibe off this woman...is she SURE this is her dog?

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Squishy, for some of us, our pets ARE our kids. I know it's hard for some people to understand loving a pet as much as a child, but for me personally, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around loving a child as much as I love my cats. I know that people do, but I don't know if I could.

Now, I question whether this woman is of the 'I love my pets like my children' stripe, given her carelessness with the dog having ID. But in her case, I'll bet she wouldn't have liked explaining to her daughter where her daughter's beloved doggie had gone. So in tha sense -- yes, it really was her kid that was worth $500. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kitten in the rain:
Squishy, for some of us, our pets ARE our kids. I know it's hard for some people to understand loving a pet as much as a child, but for me personally, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around loving a child as much as I love my cats. I know that people do, but I don't know if I could.

Now, I question whether this woman is of the 'I love my pets like my children' stripe, given her carelessness with the dog having ID. But in her case, I'll bet she wouldn't have liked explaining to her daughter where her daughter's beloved doggie had gone. So in tha sense -- yes, it really was her kid that was worth $500. [Razz]

Oh, I don't know. The United States won't negotiate with terrorists. Maybe this lady shouldn't either.

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That's it. I have, officially, nothing useful to contribute to this conversation.

I'm going to bed.

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Before my son my cat was the most loved, I thought no love could ever be more deep, then I had my son and I still love my cat but my son is favored LOL

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Troberg
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It's not a matter of who one loves most, it's a matter of who one loves enough to spend $500 on even if it's above market price.

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Kitten in the rain
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Sqishy, the difference here is that even though I got one of my cats for free (she literally fell into my life) and the other for very cheap, I would not blink before giving anyone $500 or even more to get them back if that was what I needed to do. I might be unhappy about losing the money, especially if I really didn't have it to spare, but I would do it without hesitation. I would go into debt if necessary, and there would never be question in my mind as to whether it was worth it.

What I'm trying to say is that there are people who love their pets so much that $500 is not too much for us to pay. I would hope we're not too extremely crazy.

(That having been said, I don't advise trying to break into my place to catnap my kitties. Don Francisco's a big fraidy-cat, but Cordelia will go for the face if she has to, and we haven't trimmed her claws recently. [Big Grin] )

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Vesta
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Maybe because when you adopt an animal from the shelter (I've seen 80-100$) turning around and selling it for "breeder" costs is wrong. That seems weird Mosh...anyways...I would look @ shelter policys
If she thought the woman was "shoddy" why did she go through with it? $500 is a little steep.

I'm not going into the whole story, but a "rescue" organization here in town took a dog I was planning to adopt out of the shelter, where it would have cost me $60.00 to adopt him, and in my very biased opinion held him hostage for several bags of dog food and $250.00, because he was a "purebred" (He actually isn't).

It was beyond shady, and I later found out that this is common practise for this organization, and the shlter that let's them do it. I still think someone at the shelter is getting kickbacks from these people.

The really sad thing was in the two months between them taking him from the shelter and me getting him he was obviously neglected. It's quite
a racket, and every story I've heard invovles "desirable breeds", that would have surely been adopted very quickly from the shelter. (I was on a waiting list for this particular dog.)

It sounds somewhat similar to what's going on here, although I can't imagine no having the common sense to call the shelter.

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Kitten in the rain
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Vesta, there are some bad rescue organizations out there, but there are also some very good ones.

Animals that get taken into rescues run no risk of being euthanized, even if they are old and hard to adopt. They live in a healthier, friendlier environment, as most rescues make use of foster homes. They don't get sick with the diseases and parasites that sometimes get passed around in shelters. They get socialized and trained, so that they make better pets to those who adopt them. Rescue organizations also often screen potential adopters more closely than shelters do, to make sure the pets go to good homes that are suited to their temperments, and they check up with the adoptive families afterward and try to keep in touch with them.

I adopted Don Francisco from a rescue organization that takes in feral cats. He was hand-raised by his foster "mom" because his mother was feral, and he had to be separated from her so that he could be socialized to make a good pet. If he had ended up in a shelter, he would have been raised to distrust humans and would have been totally unadoptable despite the fact that he's the handsomest kitty that ever was. He would have eventually been euthanized.

So some rescues do good work. Which you probably knew, but I wanted to point it out just for clarity's sake.

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Ryda Wong, EBfCo.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Squishy0405:
Maybe because when you adopt an animal from the shelter (I've seen 80-100$) turning around and selling it for "breeder" costs is wrong. That seems weird Mosh...anyways...I would look @ shelter policys
If she thought the woman was "shoddy" why did she go through with it? $500 is a little steep.

I'm not going into the whole story, but a "rescue" organization here in town took a dog I was planning to adopt out of the shelter, where it would have cost me $60.00 to adopt him, and in my very biased opinion held him hostage for several bags of dog food and $250.00, because he was a "purebred" (He actually isn't).

Most rescue orgs have people that do "shelter walks," a.k.a. go to the shelter and walk the rows for a dog of their focus breed or a mix of their focus breed. Typically, we pull 'em as quickly as we find 'em, and the shelters don't usually object whatsoever. Truth is, most dogs are going to be better off in a rescue, as they will be lodged in a home environment, and the screening process is usually much more stringent (vet references, property inspections, etc., etc.).

The adoption fees are higher, but the rescue orgs tend to put alot more into each dog, and they are quite picky. And, truthfully, if you can't afford $250 to adopt a dog, you probably shouldn't have access to one, as good food and medical care is rather pricy.

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But if the shelter has a waiting list for those types of breeds, they are going to get rid of those animals quickly anyway. Why should a rescue org get to pull a wait-listed animal out before it is adopted?

If rescue orgs are allowed to pull an animal that is wait-listed and then allowed to ask for their own fees, that are substantially higher than the shelter's fees, to adopt out that animal, I too would be calling foul. It just doesn't ... feel right. I understand that raising funds for a rescue org is hard, but extorting money from potential adoptees is not the right way. I agree with rescue orgs and would adopt from one, but if I found out about a "scam" like this one, I would run screaming from that particular organization. This type of "fundraising" puts all rescue orgs in a bad light and could cause even more hardships in raising funds.

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