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Nion
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What is up with 2012?

I've been hearing numerous thoughts on things that are going to happen in 2012, ranging from pure fluffiness to somewhat realistic "scientificness".

What I'm hearing the most is that sometime in 2012 there's going to be some sort of "solar maximum", meaning a point in some cycle in which sunspots will be appearing on the sun more intensely and regularly than usual. I've also been recently hearing that Venus will be between the sun and earth at one point during this time and may act as a sort of focusing element for the solar energy.

I'm also hearing that we're supposed to be entering some sort of galactic alignment. Something about the sun and earth being in line with the galactic equator and we're supposed to pass from one side to the other.

The fluffier stuff deals with connections relating to supposed psychic ability and paranormal experiences. It almost makes me wonder, seeing what condition we as a global society is in. This isn't to mention personal experiences that have confused me and rocked me to the core. I'll spare you all on that, however.

Is any of this real? If so, what are the ramifications, if any?

Relic "The Truth Is Out There" Man

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DAnnino
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I am unable to find good links, but the year 2012 has been mentioned in The Bible Code as a date when a cataclysmic event would occur, and as the year when the Aztec calendar ends (on December 21st, according to my friend who mentioned this).

I entered "the Aztec calendar and 2012" into Google and came up with this link. WARNING: TINFOIL HAT ALERT!
http://www.4dshift.com/second.htm

I can't find anything using "the Bible code and 2012," though.

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Ganzfeld
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Solar maximums happen every 11 years. Nothing to get excited about.
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Happy Llama
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WARNING: If you or any of your friends or family own, would like to own, or have previously owned, a protective head covering made from any type of metallic foil, STOP READING NOW. Thank you.

According to many interpretations of the Aztec calendar, either Dec. 21 or 23, 2012 will be the end of the current age. There are people, some of whom own really shiny tinfoil hats, who believe the world will end on that exact day. Which is curious considering all the argument over when that date will actually occur. Most of the problems in calculating the date have come from the ambiguity of the switch from the Julian to Gregorian calendar, as well as the use of a 12 or 13 lunar month calendar. But the end of the age will definitely come on either the 21st or 24th of December in either 2011 or 2012. Now whether the end of the current age will coincide with the end of the world is a matter known only to the chosen few, see previous tinfoil hat comment, who are absolutely sure when it will occur.

It is also a common belief according to the Aztec legend that the world will not end, there will only be a severe alteration of the lifestyles of the residents of planet Earth.

But in the distinct belief that I am going to start rambling on, or already have, meh.

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Mr. Billion
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There's nothing more special about 2012 than there was about Y2K.

The "scientific" predictions of 2012 being a spectacular year (or the end of the world or whatever) are mainly just an extension of the supernatural predictions. Some kook starts looking for weird astronomical stuff about 2012, collects a grab-bag of scientific factoids like the solar maximum, then uses them to build a case for the 2012 myth. The South American Indian calendars' predictions have gained some of the status of urban legends (that is, info about them is spread and exaggerated by word-of-mouth... At least in my experience). Tin-foil-hatters have picked up on the "end-of-the-world" meme and begun setting up sites like http://survive2012.com/ . Right now apparently there's "6 years and 111 days until the end of the world".

Also, I thought it was the Mayan calendar, not the Aztec one. Google hits for "mayan 2012": 2,510,000. For "aztec 2012": 255,000. this site gives a fair bit of info on the subject and The Skeptic's Dictionary tries to straighten it all out.

I'm not sure, but it's possible you might find a Nostrodamus prediction for 2012. (Or at least maybe a quartet that you could misinterpret to refer to 2012, like "hister = Hitler".) He apparently predicted the end of the world in '96, '99, and several other years. I remember when I was younger being way too credulous about the 1996 prediction.

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Sara
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December 21 or 24, 2012? That's really going to ruin my holidays. :-(

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Aarspace
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I take all end of world predictions with a grain of salt the size of Conan O'brien's head - The bible makes it clear that no one will know when the end time is. There is no way we'll be able to predict it or know ahead of time, according to the Bible. NOw before you all start arguing that the mayan calender does not follow the bible I will remind you of this:

I am bored of typing already and don't really care.

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The Long Count of the Mayan calander Long Count

quote:
To start with, however, I use the exact center of the Milky Way band that one finds on star charts, known as the "Galactic Equator" (not to be confused with Galactic Center). Where the Galactic Equator crosses the ecliptic in Sagittarius just happens to be where the dark rift in the Milky Way begins. This is a dark bifurcation in the Milky Way caused by interstellar dust clouds. To observers on earth, it appears as a dark road which begins near the ecliptic and stretches along the Milky Way up towards Polaris.
Depending on who you ask, this "Dark Rift" symbolizes a birth/death canal or the band represents a giant serpent and the Dark Rift is the space between its mouth and tail.

On the end of the Long Count, the Sun is supposed to pass thru this Dark Rift symbolizing a death/birth. Or the lesser (at least as far as I can find) idea of the serpent indicates that the sun will be swallowed by the serpent.

So the Long Count ends in 2012. But why?

As I understand it, they did not see the end of times so much as a changing of times, the end of an age but the beginning of a new one.

Did they simply figure that they had written it out far enough and they'd add a few more katuns when they got closer to 2012?

Or did they know something that we don't and the world really does end so they saw no point in going any further with the Long Count?

Though according to a Wikipedia article (yes, I know... Wikipedia [Frown] ) the traditional idea of the world ending in 2012, the date of 13.0.0.0.0 would not signify the end of the world. When the first number reaches 13, that's the end. But the 5 vigesimal units commonly seen is simply an abbreviation so to speak. And the real date of 12/21/2012 on the Mayan calander would be
0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.13.0.0.0.0.

Wikipedia

Of course, how accurate is wikipedia?

Well, I'll tell you this. When I was a kid and there would be a tornado warning, my mom would send me and my sister down in to the basement. She would stay upstairs and finish making dinner. One day I asked her why she didn't hide with the rest of us. She said that when her time came, that wouldn't matter if she was upstairs or downstairs but dinner still needed to be made. Of course, I was too young to draw the next logical question of why she sent the kids into hiding because if it was our time it wouldn't matter if we were upstairs or downstairs either.

So if the world should end on 12/21/12, or 04/13/36, or 09/04/06, or any other date in the future... it is not going to change what I do on 09/03/06.

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Ganzfeld
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Billion:
There's nothing more special about 2012 than there was about Y2K.

That was an odd comparison between an arbitrary year and a computer problem. What do they have to do with each other?
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Ganzfeld
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quote:
Originally posted by Aarspace:
I take all end of world predictions with a grain of salt the size of Conan O'brien's head - The bible makes it clear that no one will know when the end time is. There is no way we'll be able to predict it or know ahead of time, according to the Bible. NOw before you all start arguing that the mayan calender does not follow the bible I will remind you of this:

I am bored of typing already and don't really care.

Good thing, too. I was getting tried of reading about what the bible says and don't really care either. The Mayan calander isn't the only one that doesn't follow the bible, y'know.
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Mr. Billion
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quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Billion:
There's nothing more special about 2012 than there was about Y2K.

That was an odd comparison between an arbitrary year and a computer problem. What do they have to do with each other?
I said Y2K, not The Y2K Bug. Around here, at least, Y2K was used as an abbreviation for "Year 2000." There was a lot of millennial fear that the world would end that year. I was comparing the two because it seems that 2012 is the next 2000.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Billion:
There's nothing more special about 2012 than there was about Y2K.

That was an odd comparison between an arbitrary year and a computer problem. What do they have to do with each other?
Y2K wasn't just a computer problem, it was the end of the millenium!!1![eleventy]!

Just because some people think 0's are scary.

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Jay Temple
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No, no, 2112 will be the most important year.

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Oceanic Aura
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I pulled out the 2012-world-is-gonna-end thing in this thread, but no one caught it. Woe.

I know it's silly, but I almost hope it's true. The worlds gotta go eventually, who wouldn't want to be around to see it?

I've got it all figured out.

First - war  -

Followed by - zombies  -

Then - aliens  - They do not come in peace.
Finally -  -

And it's the end of the world. It was a fun flight, but this planet's out of gas.

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Happy Llama
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Billion:
There's nothing more special about 2012 than there was about Y2K.

Actually as far as the computer problems associated with Y2K, the next problem to deal with will most likely be in 2038 and we will have a whole new end of the world waiting for us.

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Neffti Noel
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Another Bible-Code style tinfoil hat alert for exodus 2006 . This website hedges its bets by pretty much saying that there are all kinds of catastrophes lined up between 2006 and 2012, but 2012 will definitely be the end, they think, for sure, eleventy, except perhaps for bits of America that might see 2013, maybe.

Interestingly though, we should all get a nice rest year in 2009!. Since catastrophic events for 2006 include the presence of "a rough-edged rock" on the planet, I'm surmising there is a good chance we will all have died of sheer boredom by New Year's Eve 2009 [lol]

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DAnnino
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quote:
Originally posted by Neffti Neta:
Another Bible-Code style tinfoil hat alert for exodus 2006 . This website hedges its bets by pretty much saying that there are all kinds of catastrophes lined up between 2006 and 2012, but 2012 will definitely be the end, they think, for sure, eleventy, except perhaps for bits of America that might see 2013, maybe.

Interestingly though, we should all get a nice rest year in 2009!. Since catastrophic events for 2006 include the presence of "a rough-edged rock" on the planet, I'm surmising there is a good chance we will all have died of sheer boredom by New Year's Eve 2009 [lol]

That site is a major tinfoil hat place. I especially like how they have all the 9/11 conspiracy stuff there too.

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The only thing I can think of is mass retirement of boomers. Some people allege that this will cause a big hit to the equity and real estate markets, as a typical baby boomer (as one of the memos said) had substantially less savings than a typical retiree of this age. What's worse, some 25% of them have been unable to pay off their mortgage, and the future of social insurance is somewhat bleak. Although I have to say that this is all speculation.
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I hope the world doesn't end on 12/21/12. It would make for a really sucky birthday.

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Major D. Saster
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A galactic alignment ? Then it should be clear.

When the cycle is done and the stars are in their original position, then the Elder Ones will be freed from their jails. The Great Cthulhu will rise from his underwater grave and rule the Earth again. That will be pretty unpleasant.

Yääh ! Shub Niggurath !

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Originally posted by Major D. Saster:
A galactic alignment ? Then it should be clear.

When the cycle is done and the stars are in their original position, then the Elder Ones will be freed from their jails. The Great Cthulhu will rise from his underwater grave and rule the Earth again. That will be pretty unpleasant.

Yääh ! Shub Niggurath !

I am *so* set for this; I already have 2 Cabbage Patch Cthulhu plushies. One sky blue. One purple.
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DAnnino
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quote:
Originally posted by Major D. Saster:
A galactic alignment ? Then it should be clear.

When the cycle is done and the stars are in their original position, then the Elder Ones will be freed from their jails. The Great Cthulhu will rise from his underwater grave and rule the Earth again. That will be pretty unpleasant.

Yääh ! Shub Niggurath !

It's the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man! [Big Grin]

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Major D. Saster
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Nope, it's not the Marshmallow Man... you're confusing Cthulhu with Gozer...

Gozer the Traveler
Gozer the Destructor
Gozer the Gozarian
Wait for a sign from Gozer the Traveller; he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms.
During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb.
Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants,
they chose a new form for him -- that of a Giant Sloar!
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!

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quote:
Originally posted by Major D. Saster:
Nope, it's not the Marshmallow Man... you're confusing Cthulhu with Gozer...

Gozer the Traveler
Gozer the Destructor
Gozer the Gozarian
Wait for a sign from Gozer the Traveller; he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms.
During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb.
Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants,
they chose a new form for him -- that of a Giant Sloar!
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!

I know, but I couldn't come up with another Cthulu reference, other than the Metallica song.

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there's all sorts of stuff about the 2010-15 and 2012 jive. terrence mckenna's fractal time graph is just a day off the end of the mayan calendar, right here, as well as the belief in the technological singularity occurring around the time of 2010 and 2015. but all these views seem to go from the typical judeo-christian view in an end-of-time apocalyptic event, such as world war or some natural disaster, to the mckenna-esque, invisibles 2012 ending of humanity evolving to the next plane of consciousness. but it's all a bit barmy, if rather interesting

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Actually, 2011-12 won't bring The End Of The World, but rather The End Of The World As We Know It: Unexplained Genetic Expression (UGE) and The Awakening in 2011 will bring back dwarfes, elfes, orks and trolls to the world as well as reawaken the dragons of old, prompting major civil unrest and resulting in a world that has a huge part of it's population "living in the shadows".

At least according to Shadowrun.

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quote:
Originally posted by Oceanic Aura:
I pulled out the 2012-world-is-gonna-end thing in this thread, but no one caught it. Woe.

I know it's silly, but I almost hope it's true. The worlds gotta go eventually, who wouldn't want to be around to see it?

I've got it all figured out.

First - war  -

Followed by - zombies  -

Then - aliens  - They do not come in peace.
Finally -  -

And it's the end of the world. It was a fun flight, but this planet's out of gas.

Aura - addicted to emoticons lately

Nonononono, see, some Brit is going to divide the world into ten regions, take them all over, become a bad computer graphic, black out the sun and then get cast into the lake of fire--where, no matter what he says, he'll never have a chance.

Or maybe I just love dropping bad movie references.

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I remember at around the Y2k thing, there was a special on the Discovery channel about different ways the world was supposed to end. They dedicated an entire segment to the year 2012 and that date has stuck out in my mind because at the time I had never heard of anything happening at this time and it seemed like an odd year (not enough 0s and all).

What was said on the program was that the animals and our tools would turn against us. I found the way they dramatized this event quite amusing. Some child was playing in the living room with his cat, a mother was in the kitchen cooking. Everything was fine. And the next thing you know, that cat is scratching up the kid and the toaster is attacking the mother. That's about all I can remember.

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This is an answer page to a puzzle game I have been playing since 1999. Take it for what it's worth.

Venus, the second planet from our sun, was recognized as a celestial power by the Babylonians, who noticed that its cycle in the night sky repeats every five years. The locations of these five points are probably the origin of the mystical five-pointed star.

The Mayans took the Babylonian observations to a deeper level, building their "year" of approximately 584 days around the Venus cycle. Festivals, harvests, and religious events were all counted on this calendar.

The Mayan calendar is very complex, and is usually represented as a series of interlocking and rotating wheels that move individually, like a round slide rule. Stone wheels showing the relationships of the various cycles are among today's most valuable Mayan artifacts. These calendar wheels reflect with disconcerting accuracy the actual Earth-seen movements of not just Venus, but also the moon, the Pleiades, and the procession of the equinoxes, a cycle just short of 26,000 years.

The procession of the equinoxes is fast approaching its "station", the day at which the calendar will start again from "zero" in the year we call 2012.

Most historians and astrologers interpret the Mayan calendar in a way that predicts the end of our own "Age of the Jaguar", the fifth and final "sun", in 2012 AD. Some feel this will be a time of significance, while others argue that there was no special significance to the original starting date, and that the next Age will begin without incident. Others link the Mayan calendar with the lost continent of Atlantis.

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Originally posted by Don Enrico:
Actually, 2011-12 won't bring The End Of The World, but rather The End Of The World As We Know It: Unexplained Genetic Expression (UGE) and The Awakening in 2011 will bring back dwarfes, elfes, orks and trolls to the world as well as reawaken the dragons of old, prompting major civil unrest and resulting in a world that has a huge part of it's population "living in the shadows".

At least according to Shadowrun.

Don "nerd? me? never!" Enrico

Damn, beaten to the chase. [Big Grin] [fish] [Big Grin]

Donovan "Still trying to see the Astral" Ravenhull

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