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Drafterman
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Over in the Scary Nightmares thread it was noted that you wouldn't be able to know if someone died by dreaming they died. After thinking about this, that fact suddenly came painfully obvious.

So what kind of reasoning lead to:

"If you die in your dreams you'll die in reality"?

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I don't know where that reasoning came from. I died in a dream once. Wasn't terribly scary either, just really really sad. I woke up and cried like a baby.

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I've dreamt I was a ghost on several occasions but only remember actually dreaming the actual act of death twice.

One was me being shot in the head while I was on my knees by two potential burglurs. I just... woke up.

The second I don't remember how I died, but I do remember being stuck on my corpse, seeing nothing but black and waiting for Rapture. Odd that I'm not religious, though I think I was reading the "Left Behind" series at the time.

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Well, I've had a few dreams where I died, and it's pretty much inevitable that I'm going to die, so I guess it's true in that sense. But barring disease or some kind of accident, it probably won't happen until a long time from now.
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This is a really screwy theory: there can be *no* evidence in its favor!

(How many dead people do you know who have told about what they were dreaming about when they died?)

On the other hand, it's trivially falsified: I've had LOTS of dreams in which I've been shot, stabbed, fallen from vast heights, drowned, even dismembered. (I have a very rich dream life, and, believe me, most of my dreams do *not* involve such nastiness!)

I heard the legend when I was a young'un, and I instantly identified the logical flaw. Even if it was completely true...how would we know?

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Jenn
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Perhaps it stems from actual events becoming incorporated into dreams.

For example, if I get a leg cramp in my sleep, whatever I'm dreaming of usually becomes a nightmare in which something horrible is happening to my leg.

Young men often are dreaming of erotic things when they experience a wet dream. Children often dream of being in water or dream of actually urinating when they wet the bed.

Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music. One time I was having an annoying dream in which someone kept knocking on the door, but no one was ever there when I answered. When I woke up I discovered a woodpecker going at the stucco outside my bedroom.

Given that, I can see the parallels that would lead people to believe that dreaming that you're dying means you actually are, despite absolutely no evidence supporting it.

For the record, I've frequently dreamed of dying and I've really never died. Well, there was that one time. But I got better [Wink]

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Silas Sparkhammer
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quote:
Originally posted by Flaming Jenn:
Perhaps it stems from actual events becoming incorporated into dreams.

For example, if I get a leg cramp in my sleep, whatever I'm dreaming of usually becomes a nightmare in which something horrible is happening to my leg.

Okay! Yes! Spectacular observation!

I suffer from sleep apnea, and often have "drowning" dreams...

I have some spinal injuries, and sometimes dream about wolves gnawing at my backbone...

People who have dreams about falling...and then waking just before they would have hit...might have helped promote this legend. Ditto for people who dream about drowning, but who awaken with a desperate gasp for air (I've done that!) might imagine that, without that awakening, they might die in truth.

You've moved the issue into one of extrapolation, rather than mere similarity-metaphor. I wish I were wearing a hat, so that I might take it off to you!

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I've fallen from heights and died in dreams and I'm still here.

You can't cry tears but you can wake up and tears will flow and you don't know why.

However, I have been lucid in my dreams and heard a lawnmower while walking in snow and realized it is not winter and I must be dreaming because a lawnmower was going.

Also, I watch anime music videos... and I once had my radio on in my sleep and saw a music video in my dreams of DragonBall. Just forget which song. And I can't edit so it's pretty much gone.

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LeNea
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I think this was featured in a movie I've seen recently, and I can't recall it no matter how hard I try. Was it Abre Los Ojos/Open Your Eyes? If you'd really like a really unsettling view of dreams/unconciousness, go find it. I haven't seen the English version, but the Spanish with subtitles is pretty good.

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There have been a number of sci fi shows where people die in their dreams and then die in real life. It's actually very stupid in those shows, like this episode of Star Trek Voyager I saw a long time ago. The "reasoning" is that the fear levels reach such a peak at the moment of dreamy death that a heart attack occurs. Sheesh, and they go on in there as though it's an absolute FACT that everyone fears death that badly. From what I've seen, most people only realize AFTER the fact that if they had died it would be a terrible thing, during it's a bad thing yes, but bad based on instinct. Well, unless you are in a death row situation I suppose.

Sheesh, it's just a dream. Mind over matter sure, but how many people would panic so much in that dream state they would actually have a heart attack?

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Jenn
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quote:
Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
Spectacular observation!

I wish I were wearing a hat, so that I might take it off to you!

Silas (you're my hero of the day!) Sparkhammer

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Aw, shucks [Smile]

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Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music. One time I was having an annoying dream in which someone kept knocking on the door, but no one was ever there when I answered. When I woke up I discovered a woodpecker going at the stucco outside my bedroom.
This has happened to me a couple of times. Once when I was camping, I was dreaming that I was standing by a pond full of ducks, all of a sudden there is a loud banging noise and all the ducks fly away. In real life there was someone ringing the breakfast bell to wake everyone up. It was kind of cool.
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I've had plenty of dreams where I died. I remember waking up one time and my mom had to convince me I was alive. I dreamed I was falling one time and hit the ground only to wake up on the floor [Razz]

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You're all WAY off, people. Every time I dream about being alive, I wake up to find myself living. Therefore, logically, if I dream about dying, I will wake up dead! How hard is that for you people to understand?

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TheEmerged
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Originally posted by Evil Anya, now with 50% more evil:
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Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music. One time I was having an annoying dream in which someone kept knocking on the door, but no one was ever there when I answered. When I woke up I discovered a woodpecker going at the stucco outside my bedroom.
This has happened to me a couple of times. Once when I was camping, I was dreaming that I was standing by a pond full of ducks, all of a sudden there is a loud banging noise and all the ducks fly away. In real life there was someone ringing the breakfast bell to wake everyone up. It was kind of cool.
Heh, I had something similar happen once too. I dreamed I was watching a news show about a rare weather event occuring at a local themepark -- and then I woke up to the sounds of my clock radio with the announcer continuing his description.
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Silas Sparkhammer
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On the other hand, so far, every time I've dreamed of reaching sexual completion...I've done so in real life.

(But I haven't had the dream yet about eating a 10 pound marshmallow...)

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quote:
Originally posted by TheEmerged:
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Originally posted by Evil Anya, now with 50% more evil:
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Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music. One time I was having an annoying dream in which someone kept knocking on the door, but no one was ever there when I answered. When I woke up I discovered a woodpecker going at the stucco outside my bedroom.
This has happened to me a couple of times. Once when I was camping, I was dreaming that I was standing by a pond full of ducks, all of a sudden there is a loud banging noise and all the ducks fly away. In real life there was someone ringing the breakfast bell to wake everyone up. It was kind of cool.
Heh, I had something similar happen once too. I dreamed I was watching a news show about a rare weather event occuring at a local themepark -- and then I woke up to the sounds of my clock radio with the announcer continuing his description.
Once I had my alarm clock set, but I had neglected to set it to a particular radio station, so all I got was static. In my dream, I could hear that static and it made Jim Carey very upset for some reason. Jim Carey, oddly enough, had been a character in my dream before the alarm went off. God knows why. I don't even like him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
On the other hand, so far, every time I've dreamed of reaching sexual completion...I've done so in real life.

Ah, the little death! Perhaps that's the answer? The whole ideas been built on a misunderstood euphemism?

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quote:
Originally posted by Flaming Jenn:
Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music.

This happens to me once in awhile. It drives me nuts, because in the dream it always follows the same pattern. I'm listening to music in my dream, but decide to turn the stereo off. No matter how low I turn the volume, it still keeps playing. I press the mute button, it still keeps playing. I switch it to a different mode, like aux or something, it still keeps playing. I unplug the damn thing, it still keeps playing. I get out some tools and take the thing apart, it still keeps playing. I smash the thing into little bits, it still keeps playing.

Finally I wake up and hit the snooze bar, and it stops. Needless to say I end up being kind of annoyed for most of the day.

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Originally posted by Flaming Jenn:
Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music.

This happens to me once in awhile. It drives me nuts, because in the dream it always follows the same pattern. I'm listening to music in my dream, but decide to turn the stereo off. No matter how low I turn the volume, it still keeps playing. I press the mute button, it still keeps playing. I switch it to a different mode, like aux or something, it still keeps playing. I unplug the damn thing, it still keeps playing. I get out some tools and take the thing apart, it still keeps playing. I smash the thing into little bits, it still keeps playing.

Finally I wake up and hit the snooze bar, and it stops. Needless to say I end up being kind of annoyed for most of the day.

That's hilarious! I love these types of dreams. My favorite is when I was at a concert where Neil Diamond was singing that "Life is a Highway" song. When he was done, he started giving the audience the traffic report...just like in real life... [Wink]

Ah, staying on topic, of course that reasoning is ridiculous. I was once shot to death by Russians that were invading my home. And I'm still alive. Of course I could have "survived" the gunshot and therefore "survived" the dream. Who knows what where I would be if I hadn't pulled through in my dream.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Duis Linguini:
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Originally posted by Flaming Jenn:
Sometimes music from the alarm radio or outside noises become incorporated into a dream. This happens to me frequently with the music.

This happens to me once in awhile. It drives me nuts, because in the dream it always follows the same pattern. I'm listening to music in my dream, but decide to turn the stereo off. No matter how low I turn the volume, it still keeps playing. I press the mute button, it still keeps playing. I switch it to a different mode, like aux or something, it still keeps playing. I unplug the damn thing, it still keeps playing. I get out some tools and take the thing apart, it still keeps playing. I smash the thing into little bits, it still keeps playing.

Finally I wake up and hit the snooze bar, and it stops. Needless to say I end up being kind of annoyed for most of the day.

That's hilarious! I love these types of dreams. My favorite is when I was at a concert where Neil Diamond was singing that "Life is a Highway" song. When he was done, he started giving the audience the traffic report...just like in real life... [Wink]

Ah, staying on topic, of course that reasoning is ridiculous. I was once shot to death by Russians that were invading my home. And I'm still alive. Of course I could have "survived" the gunshot and therefore "survived" the dream. Who knows what where I would be if I hadn't pulled through in my dream.

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Hmm, yes, I remember a particularly silly dream I had, some years ago.

I dreamt I was stood in a church, as a service was taking place. I was singing hymns, but the hymns weren't hymns, they were pop songs (??) One was a Cliff Richard song (as if it could not have been any weirder).

I woke up suddenly, right in the middle of the song, and found I had been singing along to the radio-alarm in my sleep. Our alarm had gone off a few minutes before I surfaced from my dream, and had been playing the songs I had been singing.

My OH was P***ing himself laughing at me and I was very embarrassed. He thought it really funny.

Re sleepwalking: - I was a terrible bad sleepwalker, as a kid, too, and would often be found by my parents,curled up under the radiator at the head of our stairs.

I used to have(And indeed still do have) the most disturbing nightmares/ vivid dreams.

I believe that my sleepwalking as a kid was linked to my dreams, as I was usually trying to escape some monster that was chasing me.

My mum always used to repeat the old wives tale about not waking up a sleepwalker, and I don't know why.....

Talk to the hand (still cringing about the incident)

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More on sounds invading dreamland:

One summer I thought I was developing some sort of psychological problem - every morning I'd wake up from an alarming dream involving rattlesnakes.

I spent some time trying to work out the psychological implications of this.

Then one morning, woke up to hear the resident red squirrel chattering outside my window. Darned if it didn't sound just like those rattlers in my dreams....

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