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INTERESTING!!! Did we actually already have a Jewish President???

On the twelfth of February, 1809, nearly 200 years ago - a young, poor
illiterate woman from Virginia, Nancy Hanks Lincoln, gave birth to a son
in a log cabin built along the banks of the south fork of Nolin Creek, near what is
now Hodgenville, Kentucky. That baby, whom she named Abraham, grew to
become one of our greatest, and most tragic, national leaders.

Lincoln was a man of great spiritual conviction. Yet, and I find this
fact fascinatingly instructive, Abraham Lincoln was the only American
president not to have declared himself a member of any particular religious faith.
That fact has given rise to a great deal of interesting speculation. In fact,
there are those who believe that Honest Abe was Jewish.

After all, his name was Abraham. His great-grandfather was named
Mordechai. Lincoln was the only President not to have a formal religious affiliation.
He was neither raised in a church nor did he ever belong to a church.

And there's more... the town of Lincoln, in eastern England, whence his
ancestors came, has an interesting Jewish history. A Jewish community was
established there in 1159. During Crusader riots, the Sheriff of Lincoln
saved the Jews by giving them official protection. St. Hugh, the great Bishop of
Lincoln, taught love of Jews to his parishioners. His death was marked by
an official period of mourning among Lincoln's Jews.

Rabbi Joseph of Lincoln was a scholar mentioned in the Talmud; Aaron of
Lincoln was a financier whose operations extended all over the country.
In 1255, Lincoln's Jews were accused of ritual murder. Ninety-one Lincoln Jews
were sent to London for trial and 18 were executed. Notwithstanding, the
Lincoln Jewish community flourished until 1290, when they were forcibly expelled
by edict.

Most Jewish historians assume that all the Jews of Lincoln left in
1290. But could it be possible that some remained, practicing their
Judaism in secret... passing the family secret from generation to generation? The
more we learn of the secret life of Spanish Jewry following the Expulsion
of 1492, the more we must at least consider the possibility of the same thing
occurring elsewhere.

When Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, whole Jewish communities sat
shivah. Rabbis all over the country eulogized the fallen President. Rabbi Isaac
Mayer Wise, the man who created Reform Judaism in this country, began his
eulogy with the words... "Brethern, the lamented Abraham Lincoln believed himself
to be bone from our bone and flesh from our flesh. He supposed himself to be
a descendant of Hebrew parentage. He said so in my presence."

Lincoln was often questioned about his religious beliefs. Time and again,
he told of a special passage from Scripture that summed up his theology. It
was the twentieth chapter of the Book of Exodus he recommended that every
American study, learn and follow. In English it is usually referred to as
the Ten Commandments.

Rabbi Jeff Kahn
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When Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, whole Jewish communities sat shivah.
And, by an amazing coincidence, a young Robert E. Lee performed his first aliyah on the very day of Master Lincoln's bar mitzvah!

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Time and again, he told of a special passage from Scripture that summed up his theology. It was the twentieth chapter of the Book of Exodus he recommended that every
American study, learn and follow. In English it is usually referred to as the Ten Commandments.

Certainly no Christian would ever be caught dead recommending the Ten Commandments to anyone.

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There was a renown Chicago Judge named Abraham Lincoln Marovitz. His mother named him Abrahanm Lincoln think that A.L. was jewish. She had assume that because in her citizenship classes the instructor said the Lincoln was shot in the temple.

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Abraham and other Biblical names were commonly given to Gentile children in the 19th century.

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Why do I have this sick feeling that this conjecture will soon be part of the KKK and the Aryan Nations propaganda?
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If you look veeeerry closely on the penny, you can see Abe is wearing a yarmulka.
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I just got this story forwarded to me in a synagogute eMail. Personally, I doubt Lincoln was Jewish, rather that he was just not vocally Christian. However, Jews were in America very early, and it is possible that some may have become assimilated enough. Reform Judaism was still almost exclusively a German development. Most Jews would have been what we would consider Orthodox at that time, even in America. If he lit Shabbat candles, or wore a tallit...

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Sweet! And we've had a gay president too, right? The dude that was unmarried. You know, no religion = Jewish, no wife = gay.

One serious objection to the OP, Ms. Hanks would have had to be Jewish, not Abe's dad. A Jewish mom makes one Jewish (by Jewish law). The more progressive movements (Reform, Reconstructionist) today recognize patrilineal decent, but to take this road we need to follow the practice of the times.

On a more general note, there are various "was this guy Jewish? Could be?" scenarios around. They all center on the idea of secret or repressed Judaism in Europe in the middle ages or "lost" Judaism way back when, and then some series of circumstancial evidence. For example: Christopher Columbus (nice Jewish name, BTW)- one of the circumstantial "facts" is that he usupposedly delayed his voyage by a day. The day that he refused to leave on was Tisha B'Av (google it), sort of a Jewish mourning day that also is the day of a littany of bad luck/ unfortunate events.

Heck, I guess Madeliene Albright turned out to be Jewish, so who knows. Of course, hers was only "hidden" for one generation, not 600 years.

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And, by an amazing coincidence, a young Robert E. Lee performed his first aliyah
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A what? [Confused]

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And, by an amazing coincidence, a young Robert E. Lee performed his first aliyah
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A what? [Confused]

Dawn--educate the shiksa here!!--Storm

Aliyah, depending on the emphasis, means two things.

If it's ah-li-YAH, it's moving to Israel (becoming an Israeli citizen). But that term is used in the context "Making aliyah"

If it's AH-li-yah, then it's the first time a person is called to say a prayer over the verses of the Torah that are about to be read. That context is "performing aliyah".

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Pesadic waffles!

("kosher for Passover" waffles, for those shiksas and goys out there)

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Psst...a message for our Jewish snopesters...I will "purchase" your supply of not-kosher-for-Passover waffles if you need to ceremoniously ditch their leav-ity for the holiday. [Smile]

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I would, Betty, but I don't have any pesadic traif (non-kosher) food in my dorm.

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Psst...a message for our Jewish snopesters...I will "purchase" your supply of not-kosher-for-Passover waffles if you need to ceremoniously ditch their leav-ity for the holiday.
Cool, I still have half a chicken in the freezer!

Problem is, apparently the average central Pennsylvania grocery store has never heard of kosher food (they looked at me like I was an alien), so I won't get rid of anything until after the trip to the Big, Looming Menace on the Hill (= WalMart) on Saturday.

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Amen, Rhee. SO and I had to go to Roanoke (about an hour from school) to get a decent selection of Pesadic food. And it STILL wasn't as much as I'm used to. I kind of wish my parents would send me a Passover candy care package... [Frown]

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Originally posted by Rhee:
Problem is, apparently the average central Pennsylvania grocery store has never heard of kosher food (they looked at me like I was an alien), so I won't get rid of anything until after the trip to the Big, Looming Menace on the Hill (= WalMart) on Saturday.

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No, Rhee, they probably haven't. If you were in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, you'd have no problem. It's the same in Ohio: you could easily find kosher food in the big cities and some of the mid-size cities (at least in certain neighborhoods), but if you're in rural Ohio, ah, not so much.

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Same with northern VA, Richmond, Maryland...but go out of those big areas...nada.

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I kind of wish my parents would send me a Passover candy care package... [Frown]

I thought about begging for one, but it would never get here on time. And if the Big W doesn't have anything I'll have to get a ride to State College. [Frown] Merp.
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To get back to the OP: Most people don't know that his name was really Abraham Lincohen.

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>Abraham Lincoln was the only American
president not to have declared himself a member of any particular religious faith.<

Except Rutherford B. Hayes...
http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/rbhayes.html

And Andrew Johnson...
http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/ajohnson.html

And Thomas Jefferson...

http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/tjefferson.html
(Well, he was raised Anglican & attended Unitarian services, but never actually joined)

Perhaps we've had four Jewish presidents?

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Abe being Jewish would explain why in the original draft of the Gettysburg Address, he started it with "Oy vey, the troubles we have had!"
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Originally posted by Bettie Page Turner:
Psst...a message for our Jewish snopesters...I will "purchase" your supply of not-kosher-for-Passover waffles if you need to ceremoniously ditch their leav-ity for the holiday. [Smile]

No, allow me... [lol]
And just try buying anything kosher in southeatern Arizona!
Our community seder is being held at an Italian restaurant (no pasta and garlic bread, please!).

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And just try buying anything kosher in southeatern Arizona!
Our community seder is being held at an Italian restaurant (no pasta and garlic bread, please!).

Road trip to Tucson time!

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I stopped at Kroger today and they had a Passover display at the front of the store. Passover-Kosher matzah, grape juice (the store has no liquor license), etc. -- and Diet Coke.

Can anyone explain that to me? Is Diet Coke somehow more appropriate for Passover than any other carbonated beverage?

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Originally posted by Lainie:

Can anyone explain that to me? Is Diet Coke somehow more appropriate for Passover than any other carbonated beverage?

(Assuming one is being strict):

Non-diet sodas are sweetened with sugar and/or corn syrup. Corn and its derivatives are considered by most to be unacceptable for Passover. So diet beverages are more easily KFP, as long as they are made on separate or cleaned equipment. There are special runs of Coke and the like made with only sugar (no corn syrup), labelled KFP, and sold as such. They are usually sent to the stores in Jewish areas.

As an aside, Coke purists think that the all sugar stuff tastes better than the corn syrup stuff and have been known to scout out the Passover Coke.

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I think the KFP regular Coke tastes better, anyway. But if you are being strict, Dr. Dave, then the regular diet Coke would not be acceptable, as its production process is not overseen by a mashkiach. KFP Coke, on the other hand, is overseen by one.

I remember the time that someone at my grocery store (I used to work in the pharmacy) tried to put Maccabi beer (it's kosher!) in the KFP section. I spoke to the manager, explaining that they can't do that. It made me laugh.

So fellow Jews of ULMB...think I should call my parents and ask for a KFP care package? I miss my kichel and marshmellow twists!

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quote:
Originally posted by DAnnino:
Our community seder is being held at an Italian restaurant (no pasta and garlic bread, please!).

So, are you having matz-ta instead?

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Originally posted by Mickey is a moose:
I think the KFP regular Coke tastes better, anyway. But if you are being strict, Dr. Dave, then the regular diet Coke would not be acceptable, as its production process is not overseen by a mashkiach. KFP Coke, on the other hand, is overseen by one.

To be fair, I didn't stop to look at the labels, so it's possible the Diet Coke on that display was KFP.

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Yes, Mickey, I know. It is much more complicated than I posted- I was just trying to answer Lainies question without getting into too much detail.

You raise an important point for those new to Judaism or purchasing items for Jewish friends and relatives- Just because it is Kosher, does not make it Kosher for Passover- that is a whole 'nother deal. There are even things like matzoh crackers that are sold year-round and are not KFP.

And for goodness sake, yes, call your parents. They can pack it up this weekend, mail it Monday morning and you'll have it Wednesday.

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I actually already knew about kosher for Passover. My former long-term BF and my ex-husband (DD's father) are Jewish. In fact, DD has expressed some interest in attending services at a synagogue, so I'm researching local Reform congregations.

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And for goodness sake, yes, call your parents. They can pack it up this weekend, mail it Monday morning and you'll have it Wednesday.

The question is- will Mom and Dad do it? They know how much I love my kichel...
*sighs* I had to go to the school in the middle of nowhere...

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Lainie- I had picked up from a previous thread that you were Jewish-related as it were. As you may or may not know, DD would in fact be considered Jewish by the Reform Movement. Orthodox and Conservative- she would need to convert. In either case, she and you would certainly be welcome to attend.

Mickey- Of course they'll do it. Of all the calls that parents dread when their kids go off to college, "Would you help me celebrate our religion's holidays?" is not one of them. As for being a Jewish girl in Radford, well, good luck [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:
As for being a Jewish girl in Radford, well, good luck [Smile]

Hey! I actually found a decent Jewish boy! And we do have a Hillel. The Jews around me are starting to make me forget the bible tossing at my head and the apologies for not be saved by Christ (your) Lord and Savior.

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Notice that I said "in" Radford not "at" Radford. [Wink]
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Oh, yeah. Well...one of the Krogers has some kosher stuff. But no KFP.

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