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Is this serious?!
That is not a ciggarette in her hand is it??

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Maybe the kid will get lucky and will be raised by wolves.

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Of course it's a cigarette - she needs something to relieve the stress of worrying about the jackhammers!
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If there is one thing worse then an Uber-parent its a shitty parent who uses their child as an excuse to fight things that are annoying them.

So basically here with have Uber-parenting combined with being a hypocrite, combined with NIMBY.

Oh I'm loving this person already [Roll Eyes]

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Christie
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Full article

Well it is a real story but the headline isn't the same and there's no picture attached to the Internet version. Could it be photoshopped? Otherwise [Eek!] .

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Although to be fair it is possible that could be a pen or something, but it certainly is being held like a cigarette.

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My first impulse is to think it's faked if only because well how stupid is that? Or someone at the paper has a really weird sense of humour. Fake or not I bet it's going to be on Leno (if it hasn't been already).

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This would've been much more interesting if she'd been a pregnant construction worker.
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quote:
Originally posted by Brandi:
This would've been much more interesting if she'd been a pregnant construction worker.

That's what I was expecting (pun not intended). I could see how a woman might have concerns over her unborn child suffering harm from the vibrations of a jackhammer she was using. A little prenatal shaken-baby syndrome, perhaps. (Shaken-fetus syndrome?)

As is it seems a lovely bit of hypocritical irony.

Nonny

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Must... resist... urge to hijack...

Don't... need... another thread... on... rights of the unborn non-person...

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPHHHHHHHHHRRRRRGGGGH!!!!

Okay. I think it's passed. [fish]

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I think the picture's real only because if the cigarette were drawn in, that would be a really weird pose - just standing there with her arm up.

Unless of course the arm was shopped in as well.

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I don't think anyone is saying that the cig was shopped in, rather that the whole picture is from somewhere else and the whole article was mocked up. In other words, a real picture, a real news story ... but they aren't related.

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One way to find out e-mail the listed photographer stephanie.klein-davis
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I emailed the reporter.

Pogue

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Criticism doesn't bother smoker

Looks like it was real

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Leno had that picture on his "Headlines" segment last night.

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I realize it was a different time, a different place but my mom was told (by her doctor) that it was better if she didn't try to stop smoking while pregnant due to the stress... It would've been best if she had stopped before she conceived. I can understand that someone who has a bad habit might still worry about other dangers in the environment. Are we going to say if you smoke you might as well not care about other potentially harmful things... heck, might as well drink too (you already blew it).

With that said I think everyone gets bored on their job. I doubt that the person who printed this could've have missed the humour. It is my belief that someone just looked over the photos taken that day and thought this one would be a laugh.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chimera:
I realize it was a different time, a different place but my mom was told (by her doctor) that it was better if she didn't try to stop smoking while pregnant due to the stress...

So that is why you turned out the way you did! [Razz]


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Rainmom
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So when her baby is born underweight and develops asthma, she will blame it on the jackhammers and probably sue the construction company.

Rain"common sense should precede ovulation"mom
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Well, it's already been proven true, but I believe it. I used to work in a sub shop when I was in high school. We had a 7 mos. pregnant woman working with us, and I offered her a cola one night. "I can't have caffeine with my baby!" she exclaimed. Then she took her break and had a cigarette (back when you could smoke in the malls).

To be fair to her, I don't know if it was her only cigarette of the day or what. But I thought it was funny that she was so insulted I offered her caffeine.

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Does anyone know how muffled sound is in a woman's body? I know babies can recognize and react to voices in the womb, and those jackhammers can hit way over 100 db. I imagine that, even muffled, that could have an effect on developing eardrums. This cig doesn't help, but we shouldn't discount her concerns just because she's an idiot...
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A former co-worker was pregnant and a heavy smoker - her Dr. told her to cut back, but quitting cold turkey during the pregnancy could cause more harm. Her baby was born perfectly healthy.

NOT THAT I CONDONE THIS!!!! I am a total anti-smoker (my smoking friends get really irritated at me), especially during pregnancy. But hey, my Dr. told me to cut back the caffeine & sugars during my pregnancy, and I didn't.
Just coming to her defense a little bit - cutting from 2 packs a day to 1/2 a pack is a pretty big step for a smoker. I just hope her "old man" is cutting back, too, and maybe it is a first step to them being able to quit completely after the baby is born.

Yeah - let me take off my rose colored glasses now.

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quote:
We're not promoting smoking or pregnancy; we're simply documenting one person's viewpoint on an issue
Good thing they're not promoting pregnancy. If they were there might be millions of pregnant women running around the planet.

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her worries about the jackhammers noise doesn't seem exagerated to me...
My (non-smoker) pregnant girlfriend and I were watching the Lord of the Ring at home the other day and the volume was high (we're too poor to afford movie theaters but we do our best to recreate the environment, haha!). Well, our baby acted like a tap-dancer on cocaine in my girlfriend's belly until she asked me to lower down the volume...Our daughter-to-be calmed down almost instantly...

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quote:
Originally posted by sherri_lu:
Criticism doesn't bother smoker

Looks like it was real

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"A good newspaper depicts reality, for good or ill," Times Editor Mike Riley said, "and sometimes people don't like what they see on our pages. ... We're not promoting smoking or pregnancy; we're simply documenting one person's viewpoint on an issue."

Managing Editor Rich Martin concurred: "Our photographers are out there to show what's really going on - not to stage or edit a scene just so we can photograph someone in a more favorable light."

At first I thought the folks at the Roanoke Times were comedic geniuses, but now I realize that they are either not be very bright or don't really understand the basic tenets of professional journalism.

When you publish a serious story and then accompany it with an incredibly laughable picture, then it sort-of discredits the story. It makes me wonder why a serious newspaper would go to all the trouble of having a writer write a real news story if even the most casual reader will dismiss it based on the hilarious picture that accompanies it. At first I thought this was one masterful job of self-deprecating humor by the people of Roanoke. After they published that defense, I think that the editorial staff at The Roanoke Times may be among the truly stupid.

Their population seems to grow every day.

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quote:
Originally posted by Samuel Jones:
When you publish a serious story and then accompany it with an incredibly laughable picture, then it sort-of discredits the story.

So, you're saying the picture was staged? That's a pretty serious accusation, and I'm hoping you have something to back that up.

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I think what Samuel meant by the photo being "laughable" was that it was funny what an idiot the woman was, not that the photo was staged in any way. [Smile]

I too think that the paper made a mistake in choosing to print that particular photo with that story. Surely they had others that would have been more suitable?

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quote:
When you publish a serious story and then accompany it with an incredibly laughable picture, then it sort-of discredits the story.
Umm . . . so people in Roanoke aren't going to believe the paper's incredibly hard-hitting report that road construction in one part of town has inconvenienced some residents?

- snopes

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chillas
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quote:
Originally posted by Ravenous:
I too think that the paper made a mistake in choosing to print that particular photo with that story. Surely they had others that would have been more suitable?

So, you're saying then that the paper should have gone out of their way to publish a photo in which she was not smoking? How would that have been honest?

Here's a scenario for you, one that's rather likely: reported and photographer show up at her house, want to ask her a few questions. They decide to step outside so she can point out what she's referring to. While the reporter and the woman chat the photographer takes a few pictures. The woman has picked this particular time to smoke (unless, again, you think they asked her to smoke for the picture).

In other words, they would have had to manipulate the situation to get a picture of her not smoking.

I wasn't there; I'm not saying that this is what happened. I am saying that this is the most likely scenario.

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
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When you publish a serious story and then accompany it with an incredibly laughable picture, then it sort-of discredits the story.
Umm . . . so people in Roanoke aren't going to believe the paper's incredibly hard-hitting report that road construction in one part of town has inconvenienced some residents?

- snopes

People in Roanoke aren't going to believe that the complaints of the residents of that part of town have any merit. If the noise-concerns of a pregnant woman who smokes are ludicrous then perhaps all the concerns surrounding this construction project are equally ludicrous.
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quote:
Originally posted by night of the living chillas:
quote:
Originally posted by Ravenous:
I too think that the paper made a mistake in choosing to print that particular photo with that story. Surely they had others that would have been more suitable?

So, you're saying then that the paper should have gone out of their way to publish a photo in which she was not smoking? How would that have been honest?

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they would have had to manipulate the situation to get a picture of her not smoking.


2 problems.

1. You're either not understanding what "staging a photograph" is or you're stretching the concept to a ridiculous extreme. This isn't an action shot. They didn't put a gun in her hand and say "pretend like you're robbing a bank." They asked her to pose for a photo. The fact that this is a posed photo taken for the purposes of this article and not an photographer on-the-scene shot is implicit based on the circumstance of the photo. After all, she isn't stopping work by standing in front of a bulldozer as a form of protest. In this circumstance, the photographer and the writer may suggest that the subject should to comb her hair, put on a clean shirt, take the cigarette out of her mouth, stop eating the banana, or whatever else may be required to produce a presentable photograph. (I do not mean to imply, btw, that the lady in this particular photograph had uncombed hair, etc.)

2. If journalistic integrity is your concern, then the paper should have published this story under the headline "Roanoke Residents are Really Dumb" - because that's what reader takes from this article/photograph combo. If the reporter really, really wanted this woman's story and he wanted to maintain his journalistic integrity, he could have simply put a line in the article that said "full disclosure, this woman smokes cigarettes."

I wouldn't be surprised if alot of people think that the concerns of the residents of Bullitt Avenue in Roanoke about the construction project are meritless NIMBYism. Perhaps the Roanoke Times' editorial staff and writers feel this way too. They may be right for all I know. If that's the point that they're trying to make, they should do it in a direct and forthright manner, not through backhanded and bizarre methods.

Unfortunately for Roanoke, their newspaper's defense of the photograph as "good honest jounalism" leaves us with the conclusion that the Roanoke Times Editorial staff does not have a sufficient grasp on what "professional journalism" is. Everybody in America gets the joke but them. Perhaps The Onion is hiring.


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quote:
Originally posted by Samuel Jones:
1. You're either not understanding what "staging a photograph" is or you're stretching the concept to a ridiculous extreme.

Much as I appreciate the condescending attitude, the fact is that I quite well understand what "staging a photograph" is. Indeed, it seems to be you that does not understand the concept.

My point is that in all probability they just printed the picture they happened to snap of her while they were talking, and that's it. Would you expect them to say, "please put down the cigarette so we can take your picture"?

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quote:
Originally posted by night of the living chillas:
My point is that in all probability they just printed the picture they happened to snap of her while they were talking, and that's it. Would you expect them to say, "please put down the cigarette so we can take your picture"? [/QB]

Yes. Or, I would expect them to simply not print that picture. Or, I would expect them to at least understand that their readers will find the picture comical.

Don't forget, Chillas - you're the one who's insinuating that I have libeled/slandered (not sure which is the correct term for a message board) the venerable Roanoke Times by accusing them of "staging a photograph." I've only said that you don't understand what "staging a photograph" means as a means of defending myself. And I still maintain that you either don't understand what the phrase means or you do but are choosing to misuse it.

If you'd care to take a less defensive tone, I'd be happy to discuss it further with you.

Cheers!


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