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vampyrviolia
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I don't know if this is true or not but whilst my mom was showing off pics of my daughter (6 1/2 months) at her apartment complex someone said that the nakie ones were tantamount to kiddie porn.
Now doesn't everyone have naked baby pics? Of themselves or own kids?
Are they truely pornographic, or was the person just pulling her leg?

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i doubt that pictures of 6 month old can qualify as child porn becasue the nature of teh pictures aren't sexual by nature. now if you were obsenly showing particuar body parts (excluding the butt) it would be, but no way could it be classified as porn. its a cute picture fo a 6 month old where taking a picture of him crawling around naked is perfectly reasonable and cannot be misinterpreted. if its sexual in nature, thats where its kiddie porn.
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well I know over here, a famous TV presenter was arressted accused of being a child pornographer for having piccies of her kids in the Bath (IIRC she was let off though).It's political correctness gone mad I tell ya!

can any brits help me out with who it was for some reason i keep thinking it's Jill Dando- but I know that's wrong cause she didn't have kids.

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So how would all these interpretations of the kiddie porn laws deal with that famous case on All In The Family, when they showed Mike & Gloria's child naked? Would CBS be guilty of retroactive kiddie porn? Would Archie have to register as a sex offender?
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well I know over here, a famous TV presenter was arressted accused of being a child pornographer for having piccies of her kids in the Bath (IIRC she was let off though).It's political correctness gone mad I tell ya!
I remember the case, but not the name. Someone from Boots (chemist with instore photo processing) reported the photos.

Dad took photos of myself and my sisters splashing around in the bath or running around the garden and in and out the paddling pool naked. In those days no-one turned a hair, running around nude was something kids did and parents took photos of their kids.

It's not political correctness - we just seem to be scared that every stranger is a rapist or child molester. Mostly it's because we don't interact so much with neighbours and too many people regard the content of their steady diet of TV shows (police dramas, talk shows etc) as being the norm, rather than the exception [Frown]

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I’m pregnant with my first child so I have been watching a lot of shows about babies. I was watching this show on the discovery health channel and they showed all these babies running around naked in a park. It was cute. I didn’t think “kiddy porn”. I thought “big mess waiting to happen”.

I know there is at least one naked picture of me in a tub in existence. I think I was around two or three years old when it was taken. There is also a picture of my older brother and sister together in a tub when they were both toddlers.

When I was a child I thought these photos were proof my parents lived to embarrass us. Now I am able to see they are cute. It would never occur to me to think of them as porn of any kind!

Here is a link to a sonogram of my kiddo taken on 03/19/03. I feel I must warn you, the kid is naked. ;-)
http://myfriendjenny.com/mbaby.jpg

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There is a picture of me and my sisters in the bathtub when we were little, there is nothing wrong with photographing your kids natural and naked.

I once saw an Oprah show were she tackled this subject. She had on an older couple who were arrested for taking naked pictures of their grandson and as it turns out the pictures were of the grandmother giving the kid a bath and she was naked as well and there were other pictures of the grandmother naked with wipped cream on her nipples and she made the little boy lick off the cream [Mad] [Eek!] . Her excuse for getting naked while giving the boy a bath was that she didn't want to get wet. People like that to me are scum when you take pictures like that you should be locked away for good.

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quote:
Originally posted by My Friend Jenny:
I know there is at least one naked picture of me in a tub in existence. I think I was around two or three years old when it was taken.

Same thing here. There is also a lovely one of me in the sink with big colored beads on top of my head (guess that was a lame early attempt at celebrating mardi gras but I digress).


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When I was a child I thought these photos were proof my parents lived to embarrass us. Now I am able to see they are cute. It would never occur to me to think of them as porn of any kind!

I have no problem with them either. Does anyone here remember an episode of Oprah where she was basically having a fit if you even thought of taking a photo of your child? I don't remember the whole show in detail but I do remember her saying something to the effect of "if they aren't old enough to give you their permission then you have no right to take a photo of them" which in my mind is way out there especially if you apply it to other situations you may run into with your child.
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I love how Oprah is just such an expert on marriage and raising children and she hasn't done either of the things. [Roll Eyes]

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Originally posted by Assssssstra:
I love how Oprah is just such an expert on marriage and raising children and she hasn't done either of the things. [Roll Eyes]

[lol] !! That one was too easy! [Big Grin]
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Originally posted by Assssssstra:
I love how Oprah is just such an expert on marriage and raising children and she hasn't done either of the things. [Roll Eyes]

Isn’t it often the case that people who are the most vocal about how you should raise kids are the ones who never had any and have the least experience with them? [Roll Eyes]

There was a great episode of Rugrats where Tommy discovers the joy of being naked. A lot of kids go through a period where it is hard to keep clothes on them.

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My cousin's son who is about nine months old is going through his naked period! [lol] . He loves hanging out in his onesy or his diaper or nothing at all.
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quote:
Originally posted by little miss:
well I know over here, a famous TV presenter was arressted accused of being a child pornographer for having piccies of her kids in the Bath.

It happens in the United States as well.

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[Oprah] saying something to the effect of "if they aren't old enough to give you their permission then you have no right to take a photo of them"
Grrr. A former colleague had a severely autistic boy who used to break out of the house and go walkabout. They had bars on the doors - the whole works, but this kid was like Houdini. No way could he give permission for photos, but no way could parents identify him to police without photos they could show.

What about snatched or missing kids? How would they be found without photos? Parents deserve to have memories of their kids growing up. Those photos and memories become even more precious if something happens to the child.

I'd say "you shouldn't take a photo of someone else's child without the guardian's permission" and maybe when the child is older s/he should have the right to say "mom, please, no more embarrassing photos!"

Disclaimer: I will never be an expert on kids since I don't/can't have any.

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Originally posted by My Friend Jenny:
I’m pregnant with my first child so I have been watching a lot of shows about babies. I was watching this show on the discovery health channel and they showed all these babies running around naked in a park. It was cute. I didn’t think “kiddy porn”. I thought “big mess waiting to happen”.

I know there is at least one naked picture of me in a tub in existence. I think I was around two or three years old when it was taken. There is also a picture of my older brother and sister together in a tub when they were both toddlers.

When I was a child I thought these photos were proof my parents lived to embarrass us. Now I am able to see they are cute. It would never occur to me to think of them as porn of any kind!

Here is a link to a sonogram of my kiddo taken on 03/19/03. I feel I must warn you, the kid is naked. ;-)
http://myfriendjenny.com/mbaby.jpg

Wow! Such a clear perfect picture! There is only one picture of me half naked (I used to strip briefly when I was a toddler), there are pics of me in the tub (even on my web site) but I have known people who have pics of kids in the tub naked and everything else. Boggles the mind how it bothers some people.

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Originally posted by little miss:
well I know over here, a famous TV presenter was arressted accused of being a child pornographer for having piccies of her kids in the Bath (IIRC she was let off though).It's political correctness gone mad I tell ya!

can any brits help me out with who it was for some reason i keep thinking it's Jill Dando- but I know that's wrong cause she didn't have kids.

little miss

IIRC, it was the News presenter Julia Somerville.
Whilst I don't disagree that we really do have to be on the ball and protect kiddies from potential abuse, I really do feel that the photo processing assistant at boots's or wherever it was she took her photies to be developed was overreacting good-style.

As someone said when I talked a few months ago on here about some stupidity where the (coff) tootie (coff) of a woman giving birth was pixellated out, on a documentary I was watching., "You'd be surprised at what imagery folks could use to get their Jollies...." (I had commented that I could not understand what could be sexual about the birth process, and how someone could be aroused by it. by God, was I naive!!)
I personally see nothing wrong with the human form in all it's shapes and forms... I don't think folk should get aireated at simple straightforward baby bath pictures.

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why cant people think with their heads instad of their ....other....part of the body in this case. i mean honestly, how rediculous is this? have we become a people who think that eveil lurks around the corner. are we that distrusting??? i cannot believe that poeple can actually think that cute pictures of naked kids by their own parents constitutes porn! does all photography have to be clothed? these parents are trying to show the darndest things that thier kids do (or even natural things like their childs first bath) and they happen to be naked at teh time. its called a canded shot, not porn. how else are we to have memories of our childhood? drawings? sheesh...
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I don't think there's anything I can say that hasn't been said before. If the kid isn't done up in a sexual pose, and there really isn't anything showing except the butt, it's not really kiddie porn. Well, I'm sure there are sickos out there who could use it to get their kicks anyway, but it's easier to lock up photo albums.

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I watched a movie on lifetime about this. This woman's best friend was a photographer and one morning after her kids had gotten up (two girls and one boy all under 7 I think) and were in the middle of getting dressed, the friend came over. The kids were at that phase were they don't like to wear clothes and were running around the house being playfull and full of energy. The two little girls were just in their underwear and were jummping on the mom's bed. (it was the cutest thing. aww childhood) So the friend took pictures of them all playing togeather. Later the friend stopped by her usual photo shop to get the pictures developed. When the person developing them saw the them, she called the police and it ended up going to trial. The mother had her kids taken away from her too. She ended up getting them back and she won at trial.
I just tried to find the name of the movie on the Lifetime movie data base, but I can't remember what it was called and nothing looked familiar. Does it sound familiar to anyone else?
Also, my mother-in-law took my daughter in to get baby pictures taken. The photographer told her that they wouldn't take naked baby pictures of babys older than 6 months.

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Some of my favorite pictures of my little ones are nekkid ones! I say that knowing no one here will think me a perv -- they are just so cute!!!

When my daughter was around 2 she was playing in her sandbox when she decided sand in her diaper was uncomfortable, so . . . She continued playing, having a fine old time, and I have pics of her playing naked in her sandbox. I treasure these pics (okay, I may embarass her with them someday, but that depends on how bad she behaves when she hits her teens. [Wink] )

The new born naked pics are amazing. Did you know the baby's genitals may be swelled to outrageous proportions at birth? No, I did no either, until I saw my babies. [Eek!] I have not even shown the kids these ones, just keeping them because they are first pics, but, I admit, a pretty strange-looking.

Of course, I also have the typical bath time pics. I am glad no one at the local Sav-On blew the whistle on me. [Roll Eyes]

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Originally posted by Candy Q.:
I don't think there's anything I can say that hasn't been said before. If the kid isn't done up in a sexual pose, and there really isn't anything showing except the butt, it's not really kiddie porn.

Why the "anything showing except the butt" clause?

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My parents have photos of me and my siblings as babies in the bath etc. Interestingly though they would take pains not to show any groin area- not out of any fear of child porn (I doubt they really know what that is!) but because they are the respectable sort who thought it best to hide genatalia.
SUrely naked pic of very young children just doing normal baby things can't be classed as child porn but if they have been found to be used by peodophiles for sexual pleasure they obviously have sexual meaning for them. I don't know what you'd call it though. [Confused]

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Hepcat, I think that movie was called "Snap Decision." Never saw it, but I remember seeing it advertised. Here's the link to the Internet Movie Database entry about the movie: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0286132
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Oh no I have ultra-sound images of my child without a stich of clothes on too. Even worse I have a pic of him being born. No it's not porn that's the umbilical cord! (before someone sends DSS to my door please know hospital staff took that photo) But this world has gone a bit bonkers. When my son was about a month or two old I took a photo of him in a baby bath. I covered up the private parts with a wash cloth but still a Wal-Mart employee made a statement to me conserning the photo and that questionable pictures had to be reported so I oughta be careful. It may have been just one lone psycho but it was weird.

Someone once got in trouble for a photography shoot at a nude pagan retreat. They did a maid, mother and crone photo of three naked women (two were in profile sittitng back to back and the oldest was in the middle facing the camera). It showed from the waist up. What caused the trouble (once the picture started circulating) was the maid was a fairly young teen. I thought it artistic rather than porn but in today's society you gotta be careful.

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My daughter (7 mo's on may 5th) has always been in her naked stage. She was in fact born naked.
But the employs at wal -mart etc are the reason why we have a digital camera.
I wonder, would the nude photos the my boyfriend took of me like 2 days before I turned 18 be considered kiddie/underage porn?
Keep in mind that these photos never shall see the light of day, I had been out of high school for 6+ months and we are now married with a 6 1/2 month baby.

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quote:
Originally posted by vampyrviolia:
She was in fact born naked.

[lol] I am actually amazed by how many people seem ashamed of that. I actually had a 12 yo schoolmate at one time who thought that her parents picked her out of the cabbage patch but I digress...


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I wonder, would the nude photos the my boyfriend took of me like 2 days before I turned 18 be considered kiddie/underage porn?

I can't tell you about where you live but where I live that would still be considered "kiddie porn"..I wish I could find the newspaper article but there was a similar case not far from where I live and the boyfriend had to register as a sex offender. He ended up marrying the girlfriend.
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Originally posted by vampyrviolia:
She was in fact born naked.

[lol] as well. Reminds me of something a friend once said: "Well, if God had meant us to be naked, we would have been born that way."

Edited coz I can't actually remember which friend said it!

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Uh oh! If the police ever raided my parent's house and looked through one of our photo albums, both my parents would be arrested! There's one picture of me and my two sisters all naked in the bathtub together, I'm a baby, maybe... 14 months old, and my sisters are 7 and 9. We're all smiling and waving at the camera, how dirty and sexual can you get huh? [Roll Eyes]

Seriously I think this whole child pornography thing is getting WAY out of hand. Of course there are people who abuse and exploit children and we definitely need to concentrate on stopping these people, but to me it seems counter-effective to waste time accosting innocent parents over a few naked photos.

If people WERE taking pornographic pictures of their children, would they be stupid enough to drop them off for development at a Walmart? I don't think there's anything wrong with parents taking shots of children in the bath, or swimming or running around au natural. There is such a short amount of time in a child's life when they really are innocent and I see no harm in capturing it on film. Few things are more beautiful than watching a child being a child and enjoying the world.

Sally Mann, one of my favorite photographers, has been the subject of a great deal of controversy because at one point her three young children were the center of her work and she often took photographs of them nude. People immediately jumped on the child-pornography bandwagon with her, claiming she was exploiting her children. They failed to realize that Mann grew up in rural Virginia where she and her siblings grew up running around nude constantly, and her children enjoyed the same freedom while they were growing up in the 1980's.

I find her photos incredibly beautiful and poignant, and I actually envy her children growing up with such freedom and no negative connotations towards nudity. I myself grew up in a fairly conservative household where nudity was VERY taboo. My mother was known to refer to women who showed their breasts in movies as "pigs". [Roll Eyes]

There is nothing wrong with an innocent picture of a nude child until some adult looks at it and attaches the term "sexual" to it. But in this day and age apparently ANYTHING can be considered sexual. I just think it's sick that ANYONE can possibly look at a picture of a baby getting a bath from it's mother and think to themselves, "Could this be pornographic?" [Confused]

Ok, rant over. [Big Grin]

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uh oh! I have a picture of my baby (then, 3 wks old) breastfeeding! Please don't send the cops my way! I guess that starts a whole new thread of this so-called porn pics! [Wink]
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