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Cosmo
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When I was growing up if you got a speeding ticket close to the end of the month the subject of the officer trying to "make his quota" always came up. I never really gave it much thought. Later on, I was married to a deputy and I know for a fact that there were no "quotas" to fill in his department. But now, my current beau just got a ticket, and when I mentioned that I was surprised since he was only going 10 mph over the limit, he said, "Yeah, but it's the end of the month and he's got to fill his quota." He swears that cops that he's known personally have told him that there are quotas, that officers are required to write a certain number of tickets or make a certain number of arrests per month.

As a teenager this seemed halfway believable but now as an adult it just seems asinine. I don't even think that would be legal. Anyone have expertise on the subject?

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As I understand the law, quotas are illegal, however, it does still happen. Here is a little news blip from one of my local "crack" investigative news teams.
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Around Old Hickory Blvd. in Lakewood, the message is clear: you're in Lakewood, don't speed!

"Basically, write as many tickets as we possibly could."

A former patrol officer told News 2 while he was with Lakewood Police Department, officers were ordered to write as many traffic citations as possible.

"Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with aggressive traffic enforcement, but there's a difference between aggressive traffic enforcement and head hunting."

News 2 has exclusively obtained memos from the desk of Lakewood Police Chief Jack Camp; memos that were reportedly given to every traffic officer; memos that Lakewood City Manager Victor Ellis confirms were written by his own chief of police.

The memo from 1998 says in part:

"The amount of tickets that have been written is a joke. This has to change quick. If you can't write them, I will find someone who can. If you have a problem with this, then get another job."

Later that month, another memo and another threat that reads:

"Next step, there will be termination. If certain officers' performances do not change, I will have no choice but to replace these officers. I hope this is taken seriously. You don't want to try me this time. I promise. So if you want to stay employed by the L.P.D., then do your job."

In 2001, there were more memos demanding more tickets written, and News 2 has obtained a photo that shows the blackboard inside the police department reminding each officer to write at least 25 citations for court.

I'm guessing that as of close of business today, this chief of police will be referred to as the former chief of police.

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There was a similar report done by one of the local news stations in Cincinnati around 1999 alledging that a village police chief was using the 2 mile stretch of I-75 that passes through the village as "the village ATM". The officers had apparently been given instructions to ticket as many violations as possible. Having just gotten a ticket for doing 61 mph in a 55 mph zone while travelling through that stretch, I was inclined to believe the report without giving it a lot of critical thought.

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RichardMi
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Quotas are specifically banned by Texas law. Departments may not even count the number of tickets an officer writes. This includes counting the ticket books an officer is issued. That said, one suburb, Richardson, has signs indicating how many red light tickets they have issued. How do they know? :-)
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Originally posted by RichardMi:
Quotas are specifically banned by Texas law. Departments may not even count the number of tickets an officer writes. This includes counting the ticket books an officer is issued. That said, one suburb, Richardson, has signs indicating how many red light tickets they have issued. How do they know? :-)

There are sure plenty of small town speed traps despite this. The byword for anyone going from Austin to San Antonio used to be "Don't speed through Selma!". Until the police cheif got busted for DUI anyway... Of course you can't speed through there now anyway because its all under construction.

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A friend (no, really) who is a local police officer told me that there are no quotas. However, there is pressure put on cops to write tickets. 'Dawn' (my friend) doesn't go looking for people doing bad things, hence she writes few tickets. OTOH, if a cop is actively seeking people breaking the law, they'll probably write more tickets.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
But now, my current beau just got a ticket, and when I mentioned that I was surprised since he was only going 10 mph over the limit, he said, "Yeah, but it's the end of the month and he's got to fill his quota."

???? "only going over 10 mph over the limit" The nerve of that police officer giving a ticket to someone who is speeding only by 10mph. [Roll Eyes]
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Snow-Dog
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rumor has it that the thruway here is populated by the state troopers that have fallen from their superiors good graces and now have quotas to fill.

Snow-speeding laws are just money making schemes anyways-Dog

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moonlight
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We have quotas here, but I don't think they're official ones, and you don't get penalized if you fail to meet the quota. I think they're just there to say "If you can't manage to write at least this many tickets, you're not doing enough work." Of course, with the amount of idiot drivers arounds here, finding people worth writing a ticket or two for isn't a problem.

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???? "only going over 10 mph over the limit" The nerve of that police officer giving a ticket to someone who is speeding only by 10mph.

Even our traffic officers don't start writing tickets until 15 over. Although they can probably find five or six things to ticket you for even if you aren't speeding. [Razz]

moon "my sweet, understanding fiance wrote 111 tickets last month...90 over his quota" light

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LittleDuck
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Want a FOAF? My sister's ex is a policeman and quite a few of the younger members of the small town police force here where I live are people I went to school with. I actualy asked my sis' ex about the quota thing once and he said it is baloney in our town. They do set up a lot of speed traps in dangerous areas (one being my street which is a hill and lots of people love to tear down it creating hazards for the drivers and residents alike-in fact we love to sit outside and watch the cops chase the speeders and cheer the cops on. The speeders drive the residents out here nuts). I'd be upset to get a ticket if I was going 5 over the limit but if I was 10 over it wouldn't surprise me at all especially if I was in a residential area. I guess it would depend on where and all that it happened.
Little "lead foot" Duck

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My father-in-law was a cop for 25 years, sargeant in fact. This comes straight from the horse's mouth.

Official status: There are no mandatory quotas for tickets written.

Actual status: If your numbers for tickets written falls below a certain point, you will be examined very closely, and told to write more tickets.

It has to do with "job performance". An officer whose numbers are well below the norm as compared to the other officers on the force is likely to either be too lenient with people, or just plain not doing their job to the best of their ability. Hence, the seeming "quotas". It's sort of like grading on the curve: if everyone else on the force is writing 25 tickets a month, and you're writing 6, it indicates that there is something amiss.

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moonlight
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quote:
Originally posted by Movie Duck:
Official status: There are no mandatory quotas for tickets written.

Actual status: If your numbers for tickets written falls below a certain point, you will be examined very closely, and told to write more tickets.

It has to do with "job performance". An officer whose numbers are well below the norm as compared to the other officers on the force is likely to either be too lenient with people, or just plain not doing their job to the best of their ability.

Thanks Movie Girl, you (he) explained it perfectly. [Smile]

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