"Refusing to accept the earth as our sacred mother, these Christians have become a dangerous threat to the survival of humanity. They are the blight on the environment and to believe in Bible prophecy is unforgivable."
While he might not be the brightest man on the face of the Earth, Gore would never, ever say anything that stupid. In addition, while not as bible thumping as Dubya, from all accounts Gore is sincere in hes religious beliefs. Now I'll have to look at his book and see what the real quote is. And I really have no interest in reading a politicians ideas of science.
quote:Originally posted by pinqy: In addition, while not as bible thumping as Dubya, from all accounts Gore is sincere in hes religious beliefs.
Gasp! How dare you! Everybody knows Gore mis-spoke when referring to the bible (saying 6:13, instead of 3:16) and no REAL Christian would ever say that! Only a baby-eating Satanist Athiest would!
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Nothing even close to this quote appears on page 342, nor anywhere else in the book that I can find. A section touching on religions and their attitudes towards environmentalist begins on page 242, but it still doesn't include any statement close to the one cited.
For the record, Al Gore attended St. Albans School on the grounds of the National Cathedral which had mandatory chapel. When he returned from Vietnam, he attended Vaderbilt Divinity School for a time. Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/180.htm
Some sources say he dropped out of, others say he flunked out. Either way, no question his grades weren't good. But he did attended after Vietnam. That indicates both an interest and knowledge in Christianity to me.
I heard one Common Tater on my monitoring of MSNBC during the recent unpleasantness speculate that Gore might return to divinity school in the near future. Seemed odd to me but, unlike me, this Tater accutally knows Gore.
Not true. Snopes covers it somewhere on this site, I think.
I actually read some of the book. He only talks about Christianity in a positive way. At one point, he says that his Baptist uprising helped him become an environmentalist, since it taught him that Earth was God's creation and therefore sacred or something like that.
quote:Originally posted by mmv3000: a satanist athiest?
For some Fundamentalist Christians, anything not (their definition of) Christian is Satanic. It's a very black and white world they live in. I've seen essays on how Hinduism is Devil Worship, Catholicism and Latter Day Saints, and Freemasons are secretly Satan worship. And Atheists, of course promote a Satanic agenda, because honest disbelief is just not possible.
Luckily, those are a minority even among Fundamentalists. They are the strong conspiracy theorists who feel that their version of The Truth(tm) is so obvious that anyone who doesn't believe must be actively against God or seriously mislead. Jack Chick is a prime example. According to him, Catholicism is Satanic and the inner circle of the Church knows it (The Death Cookie. Islam is an invention of the Catholic Church designed to combat real Christianity (The Deceived) and on and on.
I draw a distinction between the Jack Chick active conspiracy and the more rational Fundamentalists who may believe that those who have heard the Gospel and just don't believe it are influenced by the Devil and that those who believe in other religions or very different versions of Christianity are subtley influenced by the Devil. That at least allows for honest dissent and disbelief. And a good many Fundamentalists understand and accept that honest differences and interpretations exist that are not necessarily influenced by anything.
I think the major flaw with Christianity is their "Either you're with us or against us" mentality. Of course, those people who subscribe to this idea are few and far between. Still, if I see an ethical flaw in a religion, I'd sooner let it change my worldview than pretend it isn't important and go on believing the things I *do* like.
Of course, that's just me.
As for Gore, I know he's quite devout. Not something I was concerned with - I was part of the winning (but futile) 51 percent. It makes me wonder, though. Have we elected any non-Christians as President?
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quote:Originally posted by Alchemy: I think the major flaw with Christianity is their "Either you're with us or against us" mentality. Of course, those people who subscribe to this idea are few and far between.
As Jesus said (Matthew 12:30), "He who is not with me is against me." Of course, he also is quoted as saying, "...whoever is not against us is for us" (Mark 9:40, see also Luke 9:50). To reconcile these seemingly contradictory positions, it becomes necessary to divide the world into two camps. However, from the context of the Mark/Luke account, it seems Jesus is explicitly referring to a third camp: the indifferent.
quote: It makes me wonder, though. Have we elected any non-Christians as President?
That's a whole topic in itself -- and mightily depends on who you consider "non-Christian." Lincoln, for example, is said to have not belonged to any church. Jefferson didn't believe in the divinty of Jesus. Washington was ostensibly a Deist -- which would rule out most Christian doctrine. It's a complex question -- though the answer is always surprising.
Witness the blowing up of the 2000 year old Buddha in Afghanistan.
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quote:Originally posted by Alchemy:
I think the major flaw with Christianity is their "Either you're with us or against us" mentality. [SNIP]
I agree with you Alchemy. Funny, didn't Christ say something to the opposite effect when the John complained of people casting out demons in His name who were not of their group?
quote:Originally posted by Luke(9:49-50)as translated in the KJV of the Bible:
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name and we forbade him, because he followeth not we us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
I'll be darned He DID say the opposite. Imagine that.
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Kamin, I already cited the Luke story, which also appears in Mark. I also pointed out that both seemingly contradict Matthew -- inasmuch as the two attitudes are diametrically opposed with respect to indifferent people.
Break it down: You are either for Jesus, against Jesus, or you don't care. Mark and Luke include the indifferent in the "for" category. Matthew includes them in the "against" category. This is why some Christians combine the two statements, and assume there is no middle ground possible.
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