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Simply Madeline
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Um, and nobody called the police on this man?
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14. I will also build your house, clean it, landscape it, take care of the garden, change your babies' nappies, wash your car, keep inflation in check, and much much more for a low wage and no benefits.

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The whole recent agenda about illegal immigrants in the USA is just a slap in the face to the people who try to immigrate legally. If you want to look at discrimination, look in that direction first - at the moment, it takes more effort for a skilled worker who already met all the requirements of US consulate to get a visa than to do the same as an illegal immigrant under proposed plan. I can only call it a selection on a wrong factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but illegal immigrants didn't help US build nuclear bombs, helicopters and rockets.
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Edited to get rid of a hateful statment that shouldn't have been written in the first place.

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DAnnino
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Originally posted by Simply Madeline:
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Originally posted by Uncle Rico:
It is putting a tremendous strain on the social services infrastructure of Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico (although I understand other states are affected as well, just not to the extent of the border states).

Nitpick - the states with the highest illegal immigrant population are California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Illinois. Only 2 of those states are on the border.
Actually, only two of those states border Mexico. Florida is coastal, with sea traffic from Central and South America and the Carribbean. New York borders Canada, plus is home to the largest air port of entry in the US, and a large sea port.

I spent the first two and a half years of my career in Champlain NY (the main valve on the sewer line between two cesspools).

And before I came to work tonight, I caught part of a segment on Fox News that showed Mexican law regarding immigration, legal and illegal. It stated that illegal immigration in Mexico is a felony (just a misdemeanor here), and immigrants, no matter legal or illegal, have no expectation of jobs or services, nor may they own land within a set distance of Mexico's land borders or coast (it may be leased, however). Food for thought.

I disagree with people who assume all illegal aliens are Mexican. Any alien who is out of status or undocumented is by definition an illegal alien. Someone mentioned illegals in New England, mostly Chinese and Irish. Very true (why do you think Ted Kennedy gets involved in immigration issues). I've dealt with illegals from Canada, Mexico, El Salvador, Ireland, China, Japan, Germany, Haiti, Greece, and France (just off the top of my head).

I don't think the politicians will ever really come up with a solution. In my opinion, the Democrats want them for their social state, the Republicans want them for the cheap labor.

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To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited? And I want all the benefits of your family members including my own room.

To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.

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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited? And I want all the benefits of your family members including my own room.

To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.

I say that a better analogy would be you asking for the same opportunity to buy or build a house that I had. If I were in a poor country, I wouldn't just look over the border into the USA. I'd do whatever it took to try to get the same standard of living that Americans have. After all, if I were a hypothetical Mexican, it would not be my fault that I was not born a few miles (or a few hundred miles) to the north - why then should I suffer for it?

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Originally posted by Troodon:
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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited? And I want all the benefits of your family members including my own room.

To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.

I say that a better analogy would be you asking for the same opportunity to buy or build a house that I had. If I were in a poor country, I wouldn't just look over the border into the USA. I'd do whatever it took to try to get the same standard of living that Americans have. After all, if I were a hypothetical Mexican, it would not be my fault that I was not born a few miles (or a few hundred miles) to the north - why then should I suffer for it?
But it's not MY fault that I wasn't born into a family living in Bel-Air just 2 miles from me. Why should I expect to live like someone with $100 million dollars+? It is the same thing.

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DAnnino
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Originally posted by Troodon:
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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited? And I want all the benefits of your family members including my own room.

To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.

I say that a better analogy would be you asking for the same opportunity to buy or build a house that I had. If I were in a poor country, I wouldn't just look over the border into the USA. I'd do whatever it took to try to get the same standard of living that Americans have. After all, if I were a hypothetical Mexican, it would not be my fault that I was not born a few miles (or a few hundred miles) to the north - why then should I suffer for it?
I've used the "Let me into your house" analogy in the past. But the truth is a combination of these things, especially in regard to Mexico.

Mexican President Porfirio Diaz is supposed to have said, "Poor Mexico. So far from God, and so close to the United States." Mexico is a Third World country next to the ultimate First World country. Of course, it should seem a simple thing to bring Mexico up to First World standards, but its not. There's too much governmental corruption, criminal enterprise, and the rich screwing the poor. Wealth is poorly distributed, the cartels regularly outgun the government, and the politicians are in bed with both the wealthy and the dopers. Allowing the flow of people from Mexico benefits them way too much. First, it brings in a flow of hard currency that is better distributed than drug money. Second, it bleeds off surplus population who would otherwise want jobs, right, and so forth. Finally, it gets rid of anyone with the guts to jump the line and make a life for themselves here, who might otherwise do things like create revolutionary movements. Remember, Mexico was the longest-running socialist state after the USSR fell, until Fox's PAN took the presidency. Mexico is acting just like the old Soviet Union and Cuba.
Last week on CNN, I saw an interview with Edward James Olmos, who is a Mexican-American. He didn't get into details like this,but basically said the same thing. Bush and the Canadian Premier should be pressuring Fox to make reforms at home, not kissing his tuchis!

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Ganzfeld
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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited? And I want all the benefits of your family members including my own room.

To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.

Not to me, it's not. If one of the family members is paying someone to come in the house and clean a bath and toilet, without permission of the house owner, then you'd be hard pressed to get a conviction for breaking and entering. It's more like that. It may be dangerous and it may be annoying to have someone who doesn't belong there but it's no use blaming the one who was basically invited.
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Jason Threadslayer
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Originally posted by ThistleS:
I would think it would be fairly easy to figure out how many people the company is paying vs. how many sets of documents have been collected and assess fines against them if their was a discrepancy, yet even the fairly simple task of making sure everyone getting a paycheck (a real paycheck with taxes taken out and everything) was documented had not been accomplished.

No, it would take an investigation or audit to catch the off-book transactions (people paid with cash which is neither recorded going in nor going out).

The fine for hiring illegals is 275 USD each illegal.

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DAnnino
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Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
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Originally posted by ThistleS:
I would think it would be fairly easy to figure out how many people the company is paying vs. how many sets of documents have been collected and assess fines against them if their was a discrepancy, yet even the fairly simple task of making sure everyone getting a paycheck (a real paycheck with taxes taken out and everything) was documented had not been accomplished.

No, it would take an investigation or audit to catch the off-book transactions (people paid with cash which is neither recorded going in nor going out).

The fine for hiring illegals is 275 USD each illegal.

In the last few years, USINS/ICE/USBP has moved away from employer sanctions. Why, I don't know, but I suppose the business lobby has something to do with this. In other words, "Keep looking for terrorists, but don't look for my underpaid, exploited, undocumented workers, who aren't harming the US."

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Oh, I get this one...as Americans we NEVER have loud, raucous celebrations in Mexico. [Roll Eyes]
Once again that is not what he said. Can you show me where many americans throw 4th of July celebrations in Mexico?



It is called Puerto Penasco, aka Rocky Point. Big vacation spot for Arizonans.

As an aside, at my last job I worked with some people who would party there and one thing they complained of about Rocky Point? Too many Mexicans. The nerve. Mexicans in Mexico.

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DAnnino
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Originally posted by kitapped out of punny ideas:
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Originally posted by Wintermute:


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Oh, I get this one...as Americans we NEVER have loud, raucous celebrations in Mexico. [Roll Eyes]
Once again that is not what he said. Can you show me where many americans throw 4th of July celebrations in Mexico?



It is called Puerto Penasco, aka Rocky Point. Big vacation spot for Arizonans.

As an aside, at my last job I worked with some people who would party there and one thing they complained of about Rocky Point? Too many Mexicans. The nerve. Mexicans in Mexico.

Shocker!!! And what's more, I'm told by the dumb American tourists coming back from Agua Prieta that they don't speak English in Mexico! Imagine that...a foreign country where they don't speak English! [Eek!]
Americans! The worst border crossers ever. [fish]

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Originally posted by beaver_slayer:
The whole recent agenda about illegal immigrants in the USA is just a slap in the face to the people who try to immigrate legally.

I am a legal immigrant. I do not consider this "agenda" a slap in the face. Thanks for your concern, though.
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If you want to look at discrimination, look in that direction first - at the moment, it takes more effort for a skilled worker who already met all the requirements of US consulate to get a visa than to do the same as an illegal immigrant under proposed plan.
Well, maybe that will begi to compensate for lo these many years that skilled workers have been able to get a visa and unskilled workers have been completely unable to do so.
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I can only call it a selection on a wrong factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but illegal immigrants didn't help US build nuclear bombs, helicopters and rockets.
Well, that's a point in their favor, then. At the risk of Godwinizing the thread, was it right for the US to accept Werner von Braun?

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Originally posted by beaver_slayer:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but illegal immigrants didn't help US build nuclear bombs, helicopters and rockets.

Both of my parents are legal immigrants. Neither of them are or were involved in the building of nuclear bombs, helicopters and rockets. Should they be deported?

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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
But it's not MY fault that I wasn't born into a family living in Bel-Air just 2 miles from me. Why should I expect to live like someone with $100 million dollars+? It is the same thing.

You are exactly right, which is why you should realize that the capitalist system is inherently unjust. I understand supporting capitalism because of selfishness (especially if you are rich) or because of fear of punishment (especially if you are poor) or even because you think that there are no better alternatives (a position I reject in the long term, although most of us as individuals must accept it in the short term). However, I don't see how the argument can be made that refusing to accept the poor position in life you started out with through no fault of your own is immoral.

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Originally posted by SchmooPie:
To all those who favor illegal immigration I have a question. What would you say if I said I want your home address so I can sneak in and live in your house uninvited?

Uninvited?

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To me this is the same thing as illegal immigration.
Anyway, it's a silly analogy. A country is not someone's private house.

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Both America and immigrants gain from Mexican immigration into the US. Mexico would probably gain from American immigration into Mexico, but the American immigrants certainly have very little to gain. However in places where there is something to gain from first world immigrants, there is larger amounts of immigration. I'm thinking of oil rich nations like UAE. If there were large numbers of Americans wanting to cross into Mexico then the border crossing laws would be different. Of course.

@SchmooPie: If you wanted to come into my house, clean it, maintain it, looking after my hypothetical children, and do it for half the price of my current skivvy then I'd rather you came in legally, rather than me spending hundreds of pounds on security to keep you out.

The OP is thinly veiled racism. The worst kind of racism. My eyes hurt from rolling so much.

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Both of my parents are legal immigrants. Neither of them are or were involved in the building of nuclear bombs, helicopters and rockets. Should they be deported?

This is not the point.

The whole point is that immigration reform suddenly became all about illegal immigration in particular. Noone even bothers looking at the botched (IMO) Green Card lottery or comparing what it actually takes to get a legal permanent residency. In one issue, "Time" complaines about the fact that foreign scientists start avoiding US due to the overreaction by the US Consulates abroad (some of the red flags are "nuclear", "radiation", "isotope" and "single female under 30"). Now, when they actually make "Who Gets to Be American" their cover story, they never actually answer the question they ask.

Chloe

Well, maybe that will begi to compensate for lo these many years that skilled workers have been able to get a visa and unskilled workers have been completely unable to do so.

Well, maybe, this debt is completely paid off by the previous amnesty, silly Green Card lottery and the fact that it is technically possible for an unskilled worker to get a visa if he or she can actually meet all the requirements. This is, BTW, exactly my point: this also gives unfair advantage (if I may say so) to Mexicans who don't have to compete with people from other countries would there be a reasonable immigration plan for unskilled workers.

Well, that's a point in their favor, then. At the risk of Godwinizing the thread, was it right for the US to accept Werner von Braun?

The point is: I have a friend who completed the undergraduate degree in the US (major university, not Ivy League, don't remember the name). She had to support herself by a variety of legal jobs on campus, from janitor to a TA. She was one of the top graduates and got job offer from Boston Consulting. However, the regulation is that she has to live outside the country for at least a year, so she obeys. When she applies to the US consulate for a working visa, she's rejected because she's a young single female. Boston Consulting is all enraged, they hire a lawyer and after some beating she has to give her fingerprints and gets through. Before she's eligible for a permanent residency, she has to work certain number of years in the USA, so she had to go through this harrasment on an annual basis for some time. Its been nine years since she came to the USA for the first time; however, she is still not a citizen, although she absolutely can't cut corners as can illegal immigrants like driving without license or use stolen documents. The question is: would she be given US citizenship under the proposed "amnesty"?

It is also worth saying that there is a whole big bunch of foreign graduate students who literary work for scholarships for the wages that the majority finds unattractive. The hours are long, the wages are low and a "research slave" won't be far from truth. In addition to the need to pay taxes and obey the law or they risk deportation they don't quite work towards the green card. Would they have the same amnesty as the illegal immigrants and would their work count towards the citizenship?

The whole point is: would people like von Braun be applying towards US citizenship they will probably get rejected a visa. My father had to apply and wait for US visa for two months for each conference that happen to take place in the USA individually - they won't get him reentry visa from Canada. In the end, I feel that the only point of the proposed amnesty as it stood is to import more Republican voters.

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Around here, day laborers earn from 9 to 16 dollars an hour depending on the work. Tax free. That's a pretty good wage for putting down mulch in my book.

While there may be some illegal workers with ill gotten Social Security numbers, I'd wager that the number is quite small, if we could even track it.

Oh where is Pat when you need him.

People have turned this issue into a bigotry rant; the debate we are trying to have in America, and what I see and hear around these parts, is about immigration, not racism. Racism needs to be gone, but it is another problem.

No one I know wants to deport the illegals already here. Its a silly notion that would cost trillions, alienate frendly nations, and be an total failure. They should be documented, allowed to stay, and given a path towards citizenship should they want it.

At the same time we need to stop the flow of illegal entry into the US and put in place a way for a lot more "untrained" or "laborers" or farm workers to legally come on work permits. The demand is certainly there. If they use the same mentality as is used for Doctors, Computer Scientists, and College Professors it seems doable to me.

And I drove by a high school where kids were protesting on Wednesday. There were signs that made no sense. "We are protesting immigration" seemed to be the theme. What they really mean is "We don't want our parents deported, we like it here." I just wish that was what was coming across in the papers and on TV.

But we have got to stem the flow of illegals. The human rights side notwithstanding; we have outbreaks of disease that has not been here for a long time, emergency rooms are a sham as illegals mostly use them for primary care, and uninsured motorist rates are through the roof. (Just to name a few problems) Not to mention school costs.

There's a lot more to be said on this subject. These thoughts are just what I have pondered on for several weeks.

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Originally posted by Wintermute:
No, his statement implies that illegals expect all government agencies to speak Spanish. His statement does not imply that everyone in the US government does speak spanish.

His statement implies that no other country accomodates non-native language speakers. It's ignorance, pure and simple. It's bigotry, pure and simple.

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Cited you two which proves the basis for his rant. You can try to spin it any way you want, but they did what he claimed.

No matter how many times you miss, you'll just keep on swinging, huh? Neither of your cites addressed the claim in the OP.
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6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
So, exactly as I said before...care to try again?

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Well, of course that is the gist when you want to twist his words to fit your agenda. He talks about a specific event and you twist it to all festivals. Interesting....

Wait, are we all about the literal, or all about the implied? I get confused with your jumping back and forth so frequently.


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Once again keep it in context of what he said. He is talking about illegal aliens. When you see the protest recently here in California he's statement does seem pretty accurate. The illegals do expect to be treated very differently from the treatment they deserve.

The treatment they deserve? What, pray tell, is that? And the protest of which you speak, those were all illegal immigrants? Not a legal citizen among them? It seems to me that immigrants, both legal and illegal, are fed up with the racism that is so prevalent in our society. We, as a country, invite Latinos to cross the border, taking advantage of the economic hardship of their home country, and ask them to perform menial tasks for sub-standard pay. If they step out of line, we take advantage of their illegal status to prevent them from reporting abuse. And then, as a country, we stand up and blame them for all of our society's problems and threaten to make them all felons, splitting up families (because many of these immigrants now have children who ARE legal citizens) and destroying lives that we allowed them to build.

And as far as keeping it in context of what he said, here's the statement from the OP:
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13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.
What context did I miss? At what point did illegal immigrants make demands such as those in this quote?

This piece is blatant bigotry and full of the hypocrisy I've come to expect from people who call themselves conservatives.

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Chloe

Well, maybe that will begi to compensate for lo these many years that skilled workers have been able to get a visa and unskilled workers have been completely unable to do so.

Chloe, I just checked the numbers. This may be not the total number of immigrants under all programs, but I believe that it actually gives quite a good idea:

Numbers USA

Between 1994 and 2004, the US accomodated a total of 204k immigrants under skilled worker category, which actually includes investors. We can add family class categories to this number to account for the fact that they brought in families with them. This would roughly account to another million. Therefore, the amnesty of 1986 alone "compensates" for 40 years of "discrimination" of illegal immigrants (note that 40k unskilled workers and 40k special immigrant categories were admitted in the same period, who also partially account for family class immigrants). The potential legalization of 11M illegal aliens would give unskilled workers an advantage worth of a century of immigration.

RangerDog

I believe that the US Congress should look north of the border to see how the immigration law might look like.

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snapdragonfly
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Originally posted by Simply Madeline:
Um, and nobody called the police on this man?

who would have? all the illegals were dead, their relatives back in Mexico wouldn't have had any way to know what happened to them, and the daughter was just a terrified little girl. Apparently any other family members were too scared or just as evil.

As I said though, I can't vouch for this.

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Wintermute
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Originally posted by RangerDog:
No one I know wants to deport the illegals already here.

You know that is the crux of the issue really. What do we do with the ones that are already here. Personally, the ones that have followed the laws I would like to see stay. If they have carried car insurance, paid taxes, and kept themselves out of trouble then they are the people we would like to stay in this country. The ones that have not paid taxes, have not followed our laws should go back from wherever they came. Also, ICE needs to decide once and for all what our national policy will be for illegal aliens. Local law enforcement can do very little about the illegal without support from ICE. I know many of the cities around here would like to clean up the illegals but they currently lack support from ICE.
You are also correct that people start to scream racism when this issue is brought up. In my experience my friends and familiy with hispanic ties tend to be the most anti-illegal alien people I know.
The problem with day laborers is most of them as you say do not pay any taxes. That makes the 9-16 an hour they receive quite a bit more then 9-16 an hour. I would love to see a crack down on the people hiring the day laborers. While I do not like unions it is not fair for unions to compete against illegal labor. Also, how does this cheap labor benefit the average american? I have yet to see a single study show that it does. The cheap labor only benfits the people employing the labor, and has very little effect on the prices the consumer would pay. Even for farming the last study I saw on the news said by employing legal workers we would see a 0 change in prices since the way produce pricing works. The report said it would decrease profits for the corporations who run the farms, but I do not see that as a negative since it would require them to pay a decent wage. the problem with illegals is it is very complex issue as to how we can fix it. In my opinion cracking down on the people who hire illegals would be the first step in curbing the problem.

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AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr
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If you don't have a social security number, it would be very difficult to pay income taxes.

But if you buy anything, unless you live in a state with no sales tax, you do pay taxes.

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Wintermute
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Originally posted by AnglRdr:
If you don't have a social security number, it would be very difficult to pay income taxes.

Not true at all AnglRdr. This program was designed just for that reason.
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Simply Madeline
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quote:
Originally posted by snapdragonfly:
quote:
Originally posted by Simply Madeline:
Um, and nobody called the police on this man?

who would have? all the illegals were dead, their relatives back in Mexico wouldn't have had any way to know what happened to them, and the daughter was just a terrified little girl. Apparently any other family members were too scared or just as evil.

As I said though, I can't vouch for this.

There's no statute of limitations on murder. This man's daughter, your mother, and you know about this. Why is no one calling the police now?
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snapdragonfly
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The man is dead now.

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For years, so many of my brethern found a job, a home, and a new life in the US or the UK. In the past 20 years or so, for the first time in THREE centuries, Irish people are no longer leaving these shores.

Who benefited from all those emmigrants? Not us.
Children were reared and educated for export.

By all means be selective, but be grateful that you still have a place where people want to come to.

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ThistleSoftware
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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
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Originally posted by ThistleS:
I would think it would be fairly easy to figure out how many people the company is paying vs. how many sets of documents have been collected and assess fines against them if their was a discrepancy, yet even the fairly simple task of making sure everyone getting a paycheck (a real paycheck with taxes taken out and everything) was documented had not been accomplished.

No, it would take an investigation or audit to catch the off-book transactions (people paid with cash which is neither recorded going in nor going out).

The fine for hiring illegals is 275 USD each illegal.

Did you miss the part of my post where I said "paycheck"? The idea is to enforce the collecting of identification from new hires. In my experience although collecting info for the I-9 is required that requirement is not necessarily enforced.

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Jason Threadslayer
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quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
Did you miss the part of my post where I said "paycheck"?

Nope, I didn't miss it. I just had a problem with how easily it would be to catch illegals by counting the number of paychecks, since many causes people (legal and illegal) are off book or share one paycheck.

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The newer colossus

Like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Bane of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide vigilance; her stern eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Go back to your ancient lands, you societal dregs!" cries she
With angry lips. "Spare me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost back to thy corupt shore,
I lift my lamp and bar the golden door!!"

(not Emma Lazarus)

( original here)

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Joseph Z
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Isn't there stuff that the first article is saying that may be considered, I don't know, offensive or illegal to the immigrants of that country?

Like they may beat the living daylights out of him for waving an american flag on their soil and they hate the USA and may burn the flag to put it to rest?

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