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Governor Breck
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Everyone knows the old canard about how the Reagan Administration proposed declaring ketchup to be a vegetable to satisfy school lunch requirements. But I've never really been able to find a reliable source on this. The most I can find is that it was proposed by budget director David Stockman in 1981, but it's all hearsay stuff. I've also heard that it was actually a proposal that got started in the Carter Administration and just carried over into Reagan's before it got killed off. I'd like to find the original source on this.
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JR
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Copyright 1981 The Washington Post
September 26, 1981: First Section; A1

Budget Director David A. Stockman said yesterday he had ordered the withdrawal of proposed federal rules that would have listed ketchup and pickle relish as vegetables in school lunches....
He said the controversial guidelines, which also would have allowed the substitution of soybean cakes for hamburger and doughnuts for bread, were the result of a "bureaucratic goof."...

Block met with President Reagan late in the afternoon and later said pointedly that he and the president agreed that the guidelines should be reconsidered "due to adverse public reaction."...
James Johnson, an aide to Block, later defended the regulations: "There was a great misunderstanding in the land as to how these regulations are viewed. I think it would be a mistake to say that ketchup per se was classified as a vegetable . . . . Ketchup in combination with other things was classified as a vegetable."

What other things? he was asked. "French fries or hamburgers," he replied.

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Pogue Ma-humbug
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quote:
Originally posted by Governor Breck:
Everyone knows the old canard about how the Reagan Administration proposed declaring ketchup to be a vegetable to satisfy school lunch requirements.

It's not a canard, but as JR's post showed, the gods' honest truth.

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Ben Who
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Now, can we get some information on George W.'s attempts to relabel service jobs like working at McDonald's as "manufacturing"?

Problems don't go away just because you give them different names...

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Of course, classifying school lunches as "food" was already a huge deception on the government's part...

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quote:
Originally posted by Ben Who:
Now, can we get some information on George W.'s attempts to relabel service jobs like working at McDonald's as "manufacturing"?

Problems don't go away just because you give them different names...

Ben Who?

Neither do untrue rumors, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this one.

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Kathy B
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From the New York Times. The Times charges for the article; this is a usenet posting In the New Economics: Fast-Food Factories?
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Is cooking a hamburger patty and inserting the meat, lettuce and ketchup inside a bun a manufacturing job, like assembling automobiles?

That question is posed in the new Economic Report of the President, a thick annual compendium of observations and statistics on the health of the United States economy.

The latest edition, sent to Congress last week, questions whether fast-food restaurants should continue to be counted as part of the service sector or should be reclassified as manufacturers. No answers were offered.



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Thanks for proving my point with that cite, Kathy.

That's why we should always read BEYOND the first few paragraphs of the story. [Wink]

Nobody ever suggested that the relabeling would or should actually be done. The statement of possibility was made as a discussion of a hypothetical problem and an explanation of the need to make sure clear distinctions are made.

(Incidentally, you'll notice that mixing water and concentrate to make soft ddrinks has been considered "manufacturing" for a long time now.)

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KeithB
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Unca Cecil has a take on this:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040716.html

But he finishes with this teaser:

A reprise of the ketchup fiasco loomed recently when a federal judge approved new USDA regs classifying batter-coated french fries as a fresh vegetable. Another attempt by the GOP to feed junk food to the playground set? Actually, it had more to do with creditor priority during bankruptcy settlements, believe it or not--but please, don't ask me to explain more than one bit of bureaucratic arcana at a time.


Anyone know the details on this?

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