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BlueStar
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A guy from the church just down the road from me sent this letter to our local paper the other day and got it published (no link, their online version doesn't carry the letters page). While it might show my own ignorance, I thought views like this were resigned to small pockets of the American deep south, but no, apparently they're alive and well in my own back yard...

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Stop Creating These Sins

THE Church Synod will be urged to declare racism the eighth sin. It would join the seven sins of lust, anger, envy, sloth, pride, greed and gluttony.

May I remind the Church this is their idea, not God's. Because the bible tells you God is against multi-racialism and multi-culturalism. There are many indications in the bible to show God intended the races remained as seperate entities.

If the Church Synod create another sin, racialism against other people, which in my opinion is not a sin, this will be against God's teaching.

It is not up to the Church Synod to keep on creating sins, leave that to the good lord.

AL WILSON,
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Firstly, is The Church Synod really about to declare 'racism' as the 8th sin? And does the bible really pour scorn on multi-culturalism?

I'm seriously considering replying in the paper, but there's so much I want to say about this guy I don't know where to start!

My Mum knows the guy and says he's an obnoxious oaf who stood her up and humiliated her in front of the whole church for taking the collection plate to the front when it came to her at the end of the row (as she'd done at other churches)

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Very interesting. While the Bible, in the OT, did forbid Israel to intermarry with other "races", it was for the intent of keeping out idolatrous influences. There is no actual disparaging of people based on race alone. Israel was actually encouraged to bring God and Judaism to the rest of the world.

The New Testament is about as multicultural/racial as you can get! I don't know what this guy's reading, but it's not the Bible.

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Yeah, when I first read your post, I was thinking what Hambubba said. It was one of the many rules that the Hebrews were commanded to follow. They were told not to marry outside of their religion (ie groups that had idols, etc, which is just about all of them). I don't know in depth, but thats the jist of it. As for the New Testament, I don't really know if there is intermarrying with other races (Not that I'm against it...). Hope this answered! [Smile]

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BlueStar
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Thanks, that's very intresting. I'm not Christian myself, so I wasn't too sure if there was any substance to what he was saying.

I suppose you could probably find something in the Bible to back up pretty much any views you might have...

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I can't think of names right now, but at least two of the main movers and shakers in the big black book had wives from Ethiopia. Unless things REALLY changed, it would be hard to get a WHITE wife from Ethiopia.

The people that write things like this are usually the ones that maintain that Jesus was WHITE as well.

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Steve
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One of the verses I've heard used to defend American slavery and segregation was Genesis 9:25,
when Noah curses Canaan because his father, Ham, had seen the drunken sailor in the buff. It was believed that blacks were all descended from the cursed Canaan. A bit of a stretch, of course, but slave-drivers are not known for the subtlety of their thinking, and, what the hell, it was easier than doing the work themselves. --Steve

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The views of the person quoted in the OP sound similar to those that were once (and to some extent still are) shared with Bob Jones University and served as the basis for its racial segregation that ended in the 70's as well as the no interracial dating rule that ended just a few years ago. Although there is nothing in the Bible that directly says multiracialism and multiculturalism is wrong, BJU asserts that such attitudes are necessary to bring about the one-world government that will supposedly bring about the antichrist. Therefore, by supporting these attitudes, a person would essentially be assisting in bringing in the antichrist. I saw these allegations in an official statement by BJU after the interracial dating debate a few years ago, and I can look for them again if necessary.

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Originally posted by Malruhn:
I can't think of names right now, but at least two of the main movers and shakers in the big black book had wives from Ethiopia. Unless things REALLY changed, it would be hard to get a WHITE wife from Ethiopia.

I believe the person that you are thinking about is Moses.

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Originally posted by steve:
One of the verses I've heard used to defend American slavery and segregation was Genesis 9:25, when Noah curses Canaan because his father, Ham, had seen the drunken sailor in the buff. It was believed that blacks were all descended from the cursed Canaan.

I first heard this theory when I was in 6th grade from the Bible teacher at the Christian school that I went to. A few years later, a different Bible teacher contested this and offered a differing view on how the races originated. Considering the racist tendencies that I now believe that school had, I wouldn't give the explanation much credibility. No legitimate theologian that I know of today would support it.

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From the New Testament, Matthew 15:22-26 / Mark 7:25-29 suggest that Jesus himself was a bigot. When asked by a Canaanite/Greek/Syrophoenician woman to heal her demon-possessed daughter, "...he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." The woman begged for crumbs, so Jesus performed his least spectacular healing ever, and we're told the girl was healed that hour.

In Titus 1:12-13, Paul has a low opinion of the people of Crete: "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith."

But nowhere in the NT is racism held up as a virtue. It's not exactly listed among the sins, either.

--Grump "honor thy brotha and thy sista" y

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I wrote an article on this type of subject once before. Allow me to speak.

There are many parts of the Bible that do talk about "being separate". As stated above, most of the time it was to encourage people not to marry outside the faith - race had nothing to do with it. Also, the idea of being separate has to do with being separate in practice and belief; such as not worshipping idols and sacrificing people, common practices in the ancient days.

The Bible also says the following - In Genesis, Joseph had an Egyptian wife (african race), Moses' wife was Ethiopian (african race), in the book of Acts there is mention of a man named "Simon the black", and Paul writes "In Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female." The New Testament is loaded with examples of Jesus and the church bringing all sorts of "different" or "multi-cultural" people together.

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quote:
Originally posted by BlueStar:
Firstly, is The Church Synod really about to declare 'racism' as the 8th sin? And does the bible really pour scorn on multi-culturalism?

I'm curious what you mean by The Church Synod, and how much influence they have in your general population. In my church (Reformed Church in America), we have Regional Synods that oversee a large geographical area of Reformed Churches, and the General Synod which oversees the whole country of Reformed Churches. I don't imagine they'd declare a new sin, and even if they did, I doubt the rest of the world would notice. [Wink]

And please cast my vote for "the Bible is not racist."

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In Leviticus (19:19, RSV) YHWH seems inordinately concerned about things of one "kind" mixing with things of another "kind":

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You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall there come upon you a garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff.
but note that he doesn't mention humans in this particular order.

So, apparently, interracial marriage is fine, but polyester/rayon blends are deeply uncool (let alone broccoflower and beefalo!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
From the New Testament, Matthew 15:22-26 / Mark 7:25-29 suggest that Jesus himself was a bigot. When asked by a Canaanite/Greek/Syrophoenician woman to heal her demon-possessed daughter, "...he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." The woman begged for crumbs, so Jesus performed his least spectacular healing ever, and we're told the girl was healed that hour.


Some have suggested (Max Lucado comes immediately to mind), that Jesus, being well-known for his association with "outcasts" was being sarcastic in this instance. The woman is thought to have given her statement with in large grin. It seems as likely an explanation as any as the incident seems otherwise inconsistant with the actions and attitudes of Jesus.

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quote:
Originally posted by BlueStar:
While it might show my own ignorance, I thought views like this were resigned to small pockets of the American deep south, but no, apparently they're alive and well in my own back yard...


While it is true that this kind of thing is still here I'm almost glad to see that it's not only my home that has this kind of people in it. Just an observation.

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Originally posted by hambubba doesn't have this:
Very interesting. While the Bible, in the OT, did forbid Israel to intermarry with other "races", it was for the intent of keeping out idolatrous influences. There is no actual disparaging of people based on race alone. Israel was actually encouraged to bring God and Judaism to the rest of the world.

The New Testament is about as multicultural/racial as you can get! I don't know what this guy's reading, but it's not the Bible.

ham "there's always one, in every group..." bubba

Okay, here's a couple of supports for what you were saying.
Just about the entire book of Nehemiah is about putting a wall around one particular culture -- not only a physical wall to keep out bandits, but also a cultural wall forbidding intermarriage. Ths, however, was a survival issue. The wall gave people protection, safety, and united them in a way that nothing else could.
On the other hand, several women in the lineage of Christ, including Ruth and Tamar, were outsiders. Go figure.

Judy -- possibly the only person on this board who wouldn't be offended if she were to be called a "Bible banger" but who would rather read it than bang on it [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Elw(h)oodunnit:
It seems as likely an explanation as any as the incident seems otherwise inconsistant with the actions and attitudes of Jesus.

Not at all. His immediate message was for the Jews. The extension of His ministry, carried out by His followers, was to everyone else. The closest He came to direct healing/ministry to Gentiles was this instance, the centurion's servant (nationality unknown), and the Samaritans, which actually were intermarried Jews, by geneaology.

He was trying to make a contrast between the "chosen people", and the Gentiles; not meaning He cared less, or was a bigot, but had a specific agenda.
Jews first, Gentiles next.

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Jason Threadslayer
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Even these Creationists say inter-racial marriage is okay.

I assume the Church Synod mentioned in the OP is an Anglican Church synod?

The only time of which I am aware where race is an issue in the Bible is in Numbers 12 where Miriam (Mary), the sister of Moses complains that he has an Cushite (Ethiopian) wife and then switches to complaining about Moses's authority.

In Matthew 15:22-26 and Mark 7:25-29, Jesus refers to a Syrophoenician woman as a "dog" which was a common Jewish term for Gentiles. Taken this way, I understand the passage as a forshadowing of the Apostles' later mission to the Gentiles. When the Jews reject Jesus, the Apostles will take the message to the Gentiles.

Paul statement that there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ is a good quote -- the Jews were Semitic while the Greeks were Caucasian.

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