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javaman
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Let's talk dirty in here. Japanese or American porn...

Which of these two are the best porn?

Which are the weirdest?

My friend told me that Japanese porn are the weirdest. [Laughing out loud]

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Not that I'm an expert on this, but I think that some of the stuff that comes out of Europe is pretty unusual too(didn't want to pinpoint any certain country).....I'm not really a big watcher of porn, but I have seen the random clip .
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How exactly are you defining porn? (i.e. Are we stipulating that it must be, er, live action?) Essentially, I don't have a good basis for comparison, and I'm not sure it's fair to compare the American porn industry with, say, Urotsukidoji. American porn simply doesn't have tentacle sex.

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*NFBSK OTEO (or the Easily Offended).*

I used to live in Okinawa, about twoish years ago, and not being a regular viewer of porn flicks, the one thing about Japanese films I remember was the odd contrasts, i.e.: they'll gladly show anything remotely sexual, but if there's a shot of genetalia, they have to censor it out. It's pretty much the same with magazines and comic books (including one disturbing one about a girl who screws her dog), although when I left, this was being phased out.

Sidebar: This led to one of my worst nightmares; I was about to get it on with a cute Japanese girl, and when I dropped trou, all I saw were those damned blurring squares!

{EDIT}: This, of course, refers to real-people type porn, not Japornimation.

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In my oppinion, japanese porn seems to be the weirdest. For some reason the tastes seem to bit a little bit more extreme over there.
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if you have ever wandered across bukkake on the net, then you might agree that japanese porn is the weirdest, or at least the most extreme.
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I have never seen any Japanese porn, but people who have tell me that the woman almost always cries. Something to do with Japanese men's need to dominate, or something. Sounds pretty weird to me.

But then again, I think all porn is strange. I haven't seen a lot, but rather than get aroused my reaction is rather to laugh. It's just so ridiculous. People actually get turned on by that stuff? [Confused]

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For the most part, thats correct June. Japanese men also have a disturbing attraction to little girls, and this is why they often wear school uniforms. If I were as small as they were, I might have a complex also.
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I've been told that the Japanese aren't attracted so much to the appearance of youth (as we are in the U.S.) but the mental condition of youth. Middle-aged women in Japan will go around carrying teddy bears and such to seem younger in the same way as women here wear makeup and clothing styles "younger" than their age.
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According to the Dumb Laws site - http://www.dumblaws.com/ - until recently there was no age of consent in Japan. Now it's like 12 or 13. So apparently for a long time it was completely legal for a grown man to have sex with an infant. Sick, but legal.

Anyhow from the way I heard it the reason the Japanese like the "school girl" look is because the older women in Japan are so use to being able to have control over their own lives that it's a turn off to Japanese men. Whereas school girls can still be dominated and controled. So women's lib has "forced" men to look for younger and younger girls.

I admit while I only watched a porn flick for my advanced human sexuality class (we were suppose to do up to 9 things we hadn't done before - read a book, do an interview, watch a porno, etc) I've looked at a lot of porn pictures and even comics online. (Being a fat, white American woman I have no sex life. I've got to live vicariously.) I have to say this - while I think it's sick how the girls in Japanese porn always look like little kids (no pubic hair, youthful faces, no makeup) at least they're more openminded about bondage and fun stuff like that then American porn. I don't just want to stare at a naked woman and/or man. I want the picture to tell a story, darn it. So in that respect the Japanese stuff is better. But in the respect that I prefer adults who look like adults American is better.

Does that help at all?

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advanced human sexuality class (we were suppose to do up to 9 things we hadn't done before - read a book, do an interview, watch a porno, etc)

?!?! The mind boggles! They don't teach these things at British universities... mind you, I'd already read a book, done an interview and watched a porno movie before going, so perhaps they don't need to.

I have read in various places that the Japanese rule for acceptability of nudity or sex in films is, or used to be, that they weren't allowed to show pubic hair. I've always wondered how that worked - whether shaven actors and actresses were a license for anything, or whether it dealt with children at all. There have been other threads here about the Japanese laws regarding child porn, which are apparently quite recent (ie it would have been legal until recently); I shall leave somebody who knows more about the subject to elaborate.

I do remember being told by various friends who'd taught English in Japan around 1995 or so that they tended to get quite a few fliers for pornography through their letterboxes; one friend did say that she'd been slightly disturbed about it because "some of the girls looked about twelve". I didn't ask her to elaborate, and I don't remember where she was living - I think she lived in Tokyo, and another friend who lived in Kobe hadn't seen any, so this is by no means reliable evidence...

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advanced human sexuality class (we were suppose to do up to 9 things we hadn't done before - read a book, do an interview, watch a porno, etc)

?!?! The mind boggles! They don't teach these things at British universities... mind you, I'd already read a book, done an interview and watched a porno movie before going, so perhaps they don't need to.
Well, it's suppose to be things you've never done. Like if you've never been to a strip club or if you're hetrosexual you're suppose to go to a strip club or interview someone who's homosexual. That sort of thing. Mostly I read - Kinsley, The Story Of O, that sort of thing. But I watched one lesbian porno. Very boring.
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Well, I looked at all the "art" on the video boxes of my friends hentai (japanese animated porn) and found that the bulk of it was all rape of woman by monsters with multitenticles used as penises.
After I punched my friend and ran back home where I squireted windex into my eyes while mumbelling "unclean" I watched an American porn where a couple of sex crazed women had consentual sex with a couple of men and eachother. God bless America.

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But then again, I think all porn is strange. I haven't seen a lot, but rather than get aroused my reaction is rather to laugh. It's just so ridiculous. People actually get turned on by that stuff? [Confused]

For me it depends a lot on the porn in question. We own a few good ones I do find arousing, but more often than not they can be pretty cheesy. The worst I've seen was one where the camera shots were through a glass coffee table and the background noise was for another porn flick being filmed on the same sound stage. To this day my husband and I just have to look at each other and say "glass coffeetable" and we start giggling.

The Japanese porn I've seen, including some anime, I found to be interesting. Not really arousing but interesting to watch.

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Well, I looked at all the "art" on the video boxes of my friends hentai (japanese animated porn) and found that the bulk of it was all rape of woman by monsters with multitenticles used as penises.

Uh, the Japanese like that. Maybe it's because it shifts the focus to the woman and not the Lovecraftian beast that's violating her.

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After I punched my friend and ran back home where I squireted windex into my eyes while mumbelling "unclean" I watched an American porn where a couple of sex crazed women had consentual sex with a couple of men and eachother.
You absolute weenie. You can't even handle looking at the boxes without doing that? By Shigeru, you must not be ready for any kind of porn. (Kidding, kidding. I do that.)

And yes, them Japanese people are kinda off in the cabeza when it comes to wank fodder. So what? If it gets one off, it gets one off.

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One reason for the tenticle thing with the anime porn is that for a long time, they couldn't show a penis. On the other hand, they could use various phallic replacements.

As for the lack of pubic hair, it has been (and might still be) illeagal to portray pubic hair. They could show a vigina, but not any hair around it.

Now, I might be wrong, but I think the mosaic thing is an export restriction they have. I'm not sure.

As for my tastes, I find all porn, no matter they originating culture, gets boring after 15 minutes....

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Heh, guess none of you have ever read Bondage Fairies. It's about actual Fairies - normally 2 female ones - who are often raped by bugs, spiders, and worms. Sometimes things like frogs too.
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Hmmm... maybe I'm being a bit sensitive, but I'm hearing an awful lot of "The Japanese do this" and "Japanese men like.." in this thread. I think perverts and chauvinists exist in every society, but for all the talk of Japanese men wanting to "dominate" women, if I remember the statistics right, Japan has a lower incedence of rape than the USA.

And before we point the finger at the Japanese for getting off on women in school girl outfits, I have two words for all of you: Brittany Spears.

That said, it seems to me that every society has it's own strange fetishes. I was watching a show last night called "Travel Sick" in which a guy was visiting Morrocco. He said that the Moroccans have an old saying:

"A woman for babies,
a boy for pleasure,
a melon for ecstacy."

I'm not sure if the second or third part of that saying is more disturbing.

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a melon for ecstacy."

I'm not sure if the second or third part of that saying is more disturbing.

That's a violation of melon rights. Down with the melon oppressors!

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[QB]Hmmm... maybe I'm being a bit sensitive, but I'm hearing an awful lot of "The Japanese do this" and "Japanese men like.." in this thread. I think perverts and chauvinists exist in every society, but for all the talk of Japanese men wanting to "dominate" women, if I remember the statistics right, Japan has a lower incedence of rape than the USA.

QB]

You are being sensitive. We are discussing Japanese vs. American porn, after all. I don't think anyone's comments veered into racism. And dominance doesn't necessarily=rape, especially when its so much a part of the society that men don't need to break the law to get it.

My very best friend from the age of 10-25 was Japanese, I do know something of what I'm talking about.

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Heh, guess none of you have ever read Bondage Fairies. It's about actual Fairies - normally 2 female ones - who are often raped by bugs, spiders, and worms. Sometimes things like frogs too.

Heh! No one expects...Pfil's Nature Page!

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a melon for ecstacy
Well, that could explain this story. . . .

Melon sells for $1,100 in Japan

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re: 'we are talking about Japanese v. American porn here'. Not exactly - they have been several racist generalizations of Japanese men here, asserting characteristics and preferences tied in with incorrect generaLizations about Japanese porn.

Child and bestiality are among the types of pornography produced in America - would any make the statement that American men are attracted to little girls or that American women are attracted to German shepards?

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re: 'we are talking about Japanese v. American porn here'. Not exactly - they have been several racist generalizations of Japanese men here, asserting characteristics and preferences tied in with incorrect generaLizations about Japanese porn.

Child and bestiality are among the types of pornography produced in America - would any make the statement that American men are attracted to little girls or that American women are attracted to German shepards?

I fail to see these "racist generalizations" to which you refer, so maybe we should just agree to disagree.
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re: 'we are talking about Japanese v. American porn here'. Not exactly - they have been several racist generalizations of Japanese men here, asserting characteristics and preferences tied in with incorrect generaLizations about Japanese porn.

Child and bestiality are among the types of pornography produced in America - would any make the statement that American men are attracted to little girls or that American women are attracted to German shepards?

Try this one out. In Tokyo, pick up five magazines at random with secual depictions of women. See how many have at least one depiction of a women who looks awfully young and/or is wearing a school girl outfit. From my experience you will find at least four out of five.

Now do the same in the United States. Five magazines at random. How many girls dressed in school uniforms? Maybe one or two if you really strech your definiton. How many german shepards? Zero, unless you buy magazines I've never seen before.

Incidentally, generalizations about a culture and racism are two completely different things. Comparing and contrasting cultures requires generalizations and does not become racism until one concludes that one race of the other is inferior. The tone of the previous notes indicate interest in the differences not arrogance in American's supriority.

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Heh, guess none of you have ever read Bondage Fairies. It's about actual Fairies - normally 2 female ones - who are often raped by bugs, spiders, and worms. Sometimes things like frogs too.

Heh! No one expects...Pfil's Nature Page!

(Be sure to wear a Kondom!)

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re: 'we are talking about Japanese v. American porn here'. Not exactly - they have been several racist generalizations of Japanese men here, asserting characteristics and preferences tied in with incorrect generaLizations about Japanese porn.

Child and bestiality are among the types of pornography produced in America - would any make the statement that American men are attracted to little girls or that American women are attracted to German shepards?

Oh please! Stop being so overly sensitive. There are some facts here - One is that the laws in Japan for a long time had no age of consent so it was perfectly legal, sick, but legal for an adult to rape a newborn. Now the age of consent is (still sick) around 13 years old. So a man can still have sex with a little girl. It's also legal to show pornographic images of children. That's all there is to it. We're "generalizing" based on Japan's own laws. Whereas here in America unless you're Mormon (age of consent for female Mormons in Utah use to be 13 but is now 16 - still sick) it's illegal to have sex or have anything to do with pornographic images of anyone under 18. (Which is why I protest the words "teen porn" cause to me that brings up images of 13 year olds, not 18 and 19 year olds. I think those words should be outlawed.) It's also illegal to have sex with animals. Japanese people know this. So they obviously cannot make "generalzations" about us except that we are for the most part protective of children and animals.
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You're familiar with BF! WOOHOO! I thought I was the only one around here. I've only read a few issues online but I've enjoyed it. I've even thought of writing a fan-fic of it. But even if I did I wouldn't know what to do with it. I can't draw for one thing.

My tastes are as varied as they are silly!

Although, here on snopes, I wonder if there is *anything* that any of us could truly say makes any one of us unique: this mob is interested in EVERYTHING! Throw out a key-word or a reference or an allusion, and, sure as shootin', someone will catch it!

(If you know comics, you might remember "Portia Prinz of the Glamazons." There was a surreal scene in which one of the characters traverses the space/time/peanut-butter continuum. All you see is about fifty smallish word-balloons, all filled with relatively obscure quotes from popular culture: movies, other comic books, novels, radio dramas, etc. etc. Personally, I only recognized about eight of them... They held a contest to see who could identify the most...)

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Oh please! Stop being so overly sensitive.

Parts of America have very lax gun laws. Is it acceptable to portray Americans as all gun-toting maniacs?

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Now the age of consent is (still sick) around 13 years old.
Sick? Really? I saw someone on Channel 5's The Wright Stuff suggest bringing the age of consent in the UK down to 14 a while ago. Nobody complained.

Remember, what is "sick" for you is not so for others. Also, if you really think no 13 year olds have sex, you are sadly deluded.

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Whereas here in America unless you're Mormon (age of consent for female Mormons in Utah use to be 13 but is now 16 - still sick)
Sick? Really? Age of consent in Britain is 16 - I suppose that makes us all a bunch of sick raving sex-addicts, hmm?
Or perhaps you could recognise that others hold different standards to you as to what is acceptable and what is not.

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(Which is why I protest the words "teen porn" cause to me that brings up images of 13 year olds, not 18 and 19 year olds. I think those words should be outlawed.)
The words "teen porn" are appropriate. They are teenagers. They are in porn. Any confusion in this matter is the fault of you, not the person labelling the subject.

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It's also illegal to have sex with animals. Japanese people know this. So they obviously cannot make "generalzations" about us except that we are for the most part protective of children and animals.
Really?

The Internet is full of (largely America-based) porn sites dedicated to bestiality. Ditto for child porn (I imagine - child porn sites are less likely to spam me, and I have little intent to go looking). The laws may be more protective, but the basic mindset is, for many, the same. Think of all the attention Britney Spears got when she wasn't 'legal'. Think of all the more attention she got when she dressed up in a schoolgirl's uniform. Still think Americans don't have the same obsession with youth?

The only difference is that in Japan it seems to be more open.

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Sorry, never heard of that one. But I do currently read Daredevil and have the Batman where Bane breaks his back. (Still trying to get my hands on the issue that comes after it. Offline - I don't have a credit card so I don't want to buy anything online.)

As for what you said about being unique if you wouldn't mind I'd like to take that to another forum and see if that's true.

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Sorry, but I firmly believe that NO ONE under 18 should have sex no matter what country they live in. They don't have the emotional or mental maturity to handle it. (Then again, most 18 year olds aren't mature enough either but at least by then they're legal ADULTS - NOT TEENS, ADULTS! Therefore the "teen porn" label IS WRONG AND SICK. Period.) I do think it's wrong that England lets 16 year olds have sex legally. I also think it's wrong they let 12 year olds smoke. The fact is that anyone under 18 is JUST NOT READY to have sex. Period. Why else would there be so many teen pregnancies? Proof they're not ready cause if they were ready they would've used birth control.

I also think some 45 year old guy has no business having sex with a 12 year old girl. A 25 year old is different - she's an adult and she could be at this point in her life older mentally then she is physically. I know in many ways I am more mature then most 25 year olds I know. But then again in a lot of ways I'm as mature as my 12 year old nephew. But no way is a little kid mature enough to handle such a relationship.

I have a special hatred for pedophiles. My nephew was molested but the bastard got away with it cause my nephew's mom (she and my brother never married) was f***ing the guy at the time so she refuses to believe it happened. (It did though. I'm sorry but when a 3 year old asks his grandma to "Rubbed his wiener like Eric does" then proceeds to demonstrate a masterbation technique something screwy is going on.) My cousin was repeatedly raped by a priest when he was a child as well. So I've seen the mental damage pedophilia can inflict and I firmly believe pedophiles deserve to die, slowly and painfully. Therefore no matter the country or the culture it IS SICK to have a lower then 18 age of consent.

May I also add that I was disgusted at the Bondage Fairies issue where it showed a flashback of one fairy who in the flashback was the equivilent of a 6 year old being impaled on a penis-shaped twig by her older sister.

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Sorry, but I firmly believe that NO ONE under 18 should have sex no matter what country they live in.

Hey, wait a minute --

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Well, this forum isn't called NFASK so I guess I can still participate [Big Grin]

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Then again, most 18 year olds aren't mature enough either but at least by then they're legal ADULTS - NOT TEENS, ADULTS!
This is where it gets sticky. I am 17, six months away from 18. Will those six months change me from someone who is too immature to have sex, to a mature adult? Why do we define 18 as the age of adulthood? I mean I know we have to draw the line somewhere , but why at 18? In the US, one typically graduates from HS at 18, but besides that what special development occurs that makes one an adult? I think it is hypocritical to say 'well, an 18 year old is an adult, so it's ok to have sex with one, but a 17 year old is a teenager and you're a sick bastard if you sleep with one' , since 18 is merely the US' age of consent.

What I remember from my visit to the UK is that 16 and 17 year olds are treated much more like adults, they seem to occupy the lowest echeleons of white collar jobs, many live by themselves, etc, similar to the position of many 18 year olds over here. (brits care to rebut or back me up?) They were considered 'adults' and so were treated as such and behaved as such, they were definitely more mature than many kids the same age in the states.

I guess all I am saying is that 17=child, 18=adult is rigid and oversimplified

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Originally posted by Jami:
Sorry, never heard of that one. But I do currently read Daredevil and have the Batman where Bane breaks his back. (Still trying to get my hands on the issue that comes after it. Offline - I don't have a credit card so I don't want to buy anything online.)

As for what you said about being unique if you wouldn't mind I'd like to take that to another forum and see if that's true.

I've been a Daredevil fan for quite some time. The issue where Daredevil plays "Russian Roulette" with Bullseye is (in my opinion) one of the ten best comic books ever published. I was following Batman during the Bane storyline, but gave up shortly thereafter...

Since the big comic book companies switch artists and writers around a lot, I do not feel a bit guilty in following a title when it's good, and dropping it when it stinks. But...tastes vary! I *loved* the sequence when Ann Nocenti took Daredevil into upstate New York and a sequence of "fantasy tales." I *loved* the sequence when William Messner-Loebs put Wonder Woman into a more mortal scale, and had her working in a fast-food restaurant.

(And I absolutely HATED it when John Byrne took over, and made Wonder Woman back into a callous, careless, god-level monster who no longer cared for individual human lives. It made me all the more angry, since he had done a GREAT job in making Superman "human" in the vast post-crisis "reset.")

But...this is comic book philosophy!

I would be absolutely delighted if you want to experiment with snopesters' uniqueness!

P.S. Did you ever see the Manga "2001 Nights?" It was a sort of unauthorized sequel of Clarke/Kubrick's "2001," in a twelve-issue limited series. The art was good. The story was -- surprising. I thought it was just a series of disconnected short stories, until the very last issue, at which point I realized, with a great flash of admiration, that the whole series was, in fact, a cohesive novel. Absolutely brilliant.

Silas (I could die happy if I could write something that brilliant!) Sparkhammer

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Originally posted by Jami:
Sorry, but I firmly believe that NO ONE under 18 should have sex no matter what country they live in. They don't have the emotional or mental maturity to handle it.

Ahh, what a difference a day makes....

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The fact is that anyone under 18 is JUST NOT READY to have sex. Period. Why else would there be so many teen pregnancies?


Because for some dumb reason, the county I live in has a law that says "any sexually related items (i.e.: condoms, the pill) may not be sold or distributed to minors". This same county also wonders why it has a huge high school pregnancy rate. [Confused]

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