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Originally posted by Donovan Ravenhull:
One reason for the tenticle thing with the anime porn is that for a long time, they couldn't show a penis. On the other hand, they could use various phallic replacements.

As for the lack of pubic hair, it has been (and might still be) illeagal to portray pubic hair. They could show a vigina, but not any hair around it....

From what I understand, the obscenity laws in Japan (vintage 1912)--crafted in a rather hasty attempt to catch up to the West's standards--are rather opaque on issues like genitalia and pubic hair. As example:
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"...the genital area need not be hidden, but there should be no clear anatomical details that would obviously attract the reader's attention."


Hence, it seems that the biggest fear over frank displays of the naughty bits and pubic hair is that such might prove too interesting.

(An interesting sidelight on this is where Japanese vending machines in subway and railway stations openly sell pornography. In the interest of protecting impressionable minds, however, the machines have a mirrored front to conceal the wares from view.

(Equally interesting is where special recycling bins are installed in many subway stations where readers of such curiosa can discreetly dispose of such when finished, eventually to be recycled into toilet paper. And the inscription on said bins is rather interesting:)
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Teenagers aren't the only ones to have unwanted pregnancies you know. Plus, it's generally the countries with higher ages of consents that have the most unwanted teenage pregnancies.

Being a virgin myself (shock! horror!), I probably have no right to comment on this, but you cannot judge whether someone is ready for sex based purely on age. Teenagers are all so completely different, I wouldn't be surprised if there were 13 year old with the same maturity level as the 'average' 18 year old and vice versa. Any law regarding age (for drinking, driving etc. too) is obviously flawed, so who are you to judge other cultures? Then again, I'm a total hypocrite, I think that the age of consent in America is ridiculously high and they're clearly doing something wrong since they do have a very high rate of teenage pregnancies (not saying my country is perfect, we have the largest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe...I think...).

I'm don't know much about the laws in Japan, but don't automatically assume that no age of consent means it's legal to rape babies. It could do, but that like assuming that it's legal to rape anyone over the age of consent in a country that has one.

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I googled for age of consent laws, and found this site.

It appears as though 16 seems to be the worldwide average, as well as the state to state average in the US.

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Originally posted by Dizzy Lizard - Fondue you:
I googled for age of consent laws, and found this site.

It appears as though 16 seems to be the worldwide average, as well as the state to state average in the US.

Dizzy "I never knew" Lizard

Interesting stuff. I'm glad I read it and I think I am glad I didn't know before now the age of consent in Michigan is 16.

Beach...it would have violated my ten year rule anyway, the underage thing was just a good excuse...Life!

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Being an Otaku that has seen his fair share of stuff from Japan, I have to put in my two cents.

I'll be honest...I've seen Hentai and all the Japanese Crap. I'm probably the only person in my area to even have the Cool Devices Box Set (Reportedly the most twisted Hentai avaliable on the Market. It covers S&M to Incest to very weird fetishes and Fantasies). Does that make me a freak?? To some Anti-Satanist, i'm a freak.

I think it has to do with the cultural differences in each country. While it seems that there is a "Sexual Regression" of sorts in some countries whereas there is a "Sexual Oppression" here in the United States, it all boils down to what a majority wants. Or it might be as complex as I can think of. Why we don't have Nudity on Prime-time TV while the Canadians can boggles the mind. Perhaps the fact that we have a heavy-handed Morality Morons mucking it up for the rest of us.

About the "Lolita Complex" covered and debated very fiercely here...You have to blame the Europeans for starting the "Uniformed Schoolgirls" so rampant in Japan. The origins of the School Uniform has to be by the Uniforms of the many Naval sailors of the European Navies in the 19th Century. It was only a matter of time by the Meiji Restoration that Japan adopted the customs and ways of the Europeans, much like many Asians during the latter part of the 19th and early 20th Centuries.

Also, if you've seen many Asian Women, many could be mistaken for Teenagers and vice-versa. Nevermind make-up or plastic surgery; I know many Asian Friends, and some could "pass-off" as teenagers!! It's quite a scence where we go to clubs only to be stopped by bouncers who can't figure out the difference.

I've been spent...I'll talk later...

edited to add: Mosaics is the term given to a digital oddity used by the Japanese to "hide" the genetalia of the actors. But the rule is loosely enforced most of the time. Just recently, the laws were "relaxed" abit with the showing of female genetalia in magazines.

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Also, if you've seen many Asian Women, many could be mistaken for Teenagers and vice-versa. Nevermind make-up or plastic surgery; I know many Asian Friends, and some could "pass-off" as teenagers!! It's quite a scence where we go to clubs only to be stopped by bouncers who can't figure out the difference.


That's a very good point. To someone who's not familiar with Asian faces and figures, it can be very difficult to guess ages. I was talking to a western bouncer outside a bar here some while back and I asked him how he could tell who was underage: "Sometimes, if they look guilty about coming in, I stop 'em, otherwise I've no idea."

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It's the little things that count. Alas, such things are ignored in all the hype and obvious panic that some people are all consumed with.

In the end, the information is either flawed, or is missing a few key points.

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Originally posted by Dizzy Lizard - Fondue you:
I googled for age of consent laws, and found this site.


I wonder when that was last updated. A fairly recent act of parliament in Western Australia lowered the age of consent for male to male sex to 16 (from 21) so that it matched the age of consent for male-female. Other states will (hopefully) follow.

I was nonplussed seeing all of the states which show male-male or femal-female sex as illegal. It makes me want to go there are have a same sex experience, just so that I can break a law I find strange (and difficult to enforce, I imagine)!

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I wonder when that was last updated. A fairly recent act of parliament in Western Australia lowered the age of consent for male to male sex to 16 (from 21) so that it matched the age of consent for male-female. Other states will (hopefully) follow.

I'm not sure, but it appears that it is perpetually updated, as the webmaster receives updated info, so it seems as though it could vary greatly from country to country, or state, to state. I do see some updates listed as recently as 3/02. If you have info about that particular section of Australia that you can send to the webmaster, do it, he asks for it at the top of the page.

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Cool. I just saw that the age of consent in Spain is 13, so I wouldn't have broken the law if I had been able to "score" back in the days.

Since this roughly coincides with puberty, does that mean that "statutory rape" has no sense here?

UPDATE: Reading the explanatory page, it turns out that it does exist. The age of consent was recently (1999) raised - it was 12 before. But it also states that is it 15 for relationships with people over 18 (adults).

So, it's legal to have sex with a minor if s/he is over 15?

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There has been an earlier discussion on this board regarding Japan and child pornography at http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000474 .
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The high rate of teenage pregnancies is a direct result of lack of instruction and open communication on sexual matters.

In America we are sending very mixed messages to our kids. We show them sexual images in our entertainment, yet we refuse to talk about it.
Many people naively think that not talking about sex will prevent their kids from know about sex.

It is natural for teenagers (and children for that matter) to be curious about sexuality. If they think the only way to find out about sex is to do it, well then they will.
America has just about the highest age of consent, yet we also have one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, equal to some third world countries.
In countries where the talk open and frankly about sex with their kids, they have the lowest unwanted pregnancy rates. (and people have a healthier view of sex mentally, and no they are not "sex fiends")

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Originally posted by kjbrasda, Cheese Head:
The high rate of teenage pregnancys is a direct result of lack of instruction and open communication on sexual matters.

In America we are sending very mixed messages to our kids. We show them sexual images in our entertainment, yet we refuse to talk about it.
Many people naively think that not talking about sex will prevent their kids from know about sex.

It is natural for teenagers (and children for that matter) to be curious about sexuality. If they think the only way to find out about sex is to do it, well then they will.
America has just about the highest age of consent, yet we also have one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, equal to some third world countries.
In countries where the talk open and frankly about sex with their kids, they have the lowest unwanted pregnancy rates. (and people have a healthier view of sex mentally, and no they are not "sex fiends")

I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in America, in the conservative Midwest formalized sex education starts at 9 and continues through 18. By middle school there arn't many kids that don't understand what causes pregnancy.

Beach...how 'bout a link backing up those teenage pregenancy stats...Life!

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Originally posted by Jami:
Sorry, but I firmly believe that NO ONE under 18 should have sex no matter what country they live in. They don't have the emotional or mental maturity to handle it.

Ahh, what a difference a day makes....

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The fact is that anyone under 18 is JUST NOT READY to have sex. Period. Why else would there be so many teen pregnancies?


Because for some dumb reason, the county I live in has a law that says "any sexually related items (i.e.: condoms, the pill) may not be sold or distributed to minors". This same county also wonders why it has a huge high school pregnancy rate. [Confused]

1. What federal law forbids the distribution of condoms to minors? Kids in my neighborhood buy condoms all the time.

2. Age of consent does not generally criminalize sex between minors. In most states it is aimed at adults having sex with minors. Many states provide an exception for young adults so that high school seniors (91 or 20 years old) having sex with high school sophs (15 or 16) is usually not criminalized.

3. In law, specific ages of consent are typically given to provide potential perpertrators with a "bright line" warning them what types of behavior could result in criminal sanctions. So you may not "feel: different having sex at 15 yrs 364 days from having sex at 16 yrs old, but the law has put the adult on notice that he/she must be concerned with the actual age of anyone he/she is having sex with who appears to be below the age of consent.

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This topic is getting more popular.

Anyway, I'd found this 2 websites showing nudities of European preteens or so-called "lolita." Even European porns also shows the weirdest, and I thought that Japan is the only country that is very rampant in child porn which I'd posted a topic about child pornography in Japan, last time. Also in Europe are now showing this type of porn on the internet.

[url=Click here]http://www.ayleen.com[/url] and http://www.teenfirsttimers.com

Warning: don't click on above if you're below 18. [Mad]

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Originally posted by javaman:
This topic is getting more popular.

Anyway, I'd found this 2 websites showing nudities of European preteens or so-called "lolita." Even European porns also shows the weirdest, and I thought that Japan is the only country that is very rampant in child porn which I'd posted a topic about child pornography in Japan, last time. Also in Europe are now showing this type of porn on the internet.

[url=Click here]http://www.ayleen.com[/url] and http://www.teenfirsttimers.com

Warning: don't click on above if you're below 18. [Mad]

NFBSK, if it's what you say, why would anyone want to click there at all?

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Originally posted by Beach Life:
I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in America, in the conservative Midwest formalized sex education starts at 9 and continues through 18. By middle school there arn't many kids that don't understand what causes pregnancy.

Beach...how 'bout a link backing up those teenage pregenancy stats...Life!

I'm not talking about formalized education in schools, I'm talking about parents sitting down with their kids and talking about sex (Many parents think they don't have to do this because the schools teach it.) They may know the facts but many do not understand, really understand what it means. They always think 'it won't happen to me' or 'I'm invincible'. Some schools now are steering towards teaching abstinance instead of safe sex rather than as 'a best course of action'. And not all schools teach sex education.

They also never teach you just what having a child means. How much work it is, how much free time it takes away, how much resposibility a child means. Many kids I knew wanted to have a baby because 'they are sooo cute!'.

Are you trying to deny the fact that America has a high unwanted/teenage pregnancy rate? By my experiences I thought I was in the minority waiting until I was over 20 and married to have a kid.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3324401.html

http://www.sexandyoungamerica.com/leaders_home.html

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/LIBRARY/TEEN-PREGNANCY/reducing.html

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NFBSK, if it's what you say, why would anyone want to click there at all?

Sister "doesn't want the cops at my door, thanks" Ray[/QB][/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry about that, sister ray. I'd misstyped it. Anyway, here's the correction:

click here and here

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About the "Childen can't buy condoms and pills in the US" will this is true, ad yes many childern have had sex, even at my age (13) i could probally name a few people, I my sel havent, but if i wanted to, i could go up to my parents, say "me and my girlfriend want to have sex" and they will give me this crap about, "Are You Sure?" but in the end they will flat out go get me a condom and that will be the end.

ok, i've said to much,

im not suppost to be here....

bye...

(heh, what 13 year old can resist going into a forum called "Jap and US porn",lol)

ditto"and the "Adults only" dosnt help a bit"n

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In regards to my comments about minors unable to purchase birth control items, I'd like to emphasize that it's localized to a few backwater areas in and around the county I live in, and that these areas are also the ones with teen pregnancy problems.

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Oh, sorry about that, sister ray. I'd misstyped it. Anyway, here's the correction:

click here and here

Um, you missed my point. If it is what you say (pictures of child porn) why would I want to click there?

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Um, you missed my point. If it is what you say (pictures of child porn) why would I want to click there?

To distract the FBI from infringing on our other rights?
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To distract the FBI from infringing on our other rights?

Well, that could be true. But I still have no personal interest in pictures of porn.

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Beach Life... Pedophilia is a subcatagory of Paraphilia: "Any of a group of psychosexual disorders characterized by sexual fantasies, feelings, or activities involving a nonhuman object, a nonconsenting partner such as a child, or pain or humiliation of oneself or one's partner. Also called sexual deviation."

There is also ephebophilia:

From ehap (emphasis mine):

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Statistics on pedophilia are as difficult to come by as anecdotes are easy. The definition itself is misunderstood and often ill-used. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that belongs to a larger group known as paraphilias: sexual lust that is not connected to adult romantic love. Pedophilia is sexual contact between an adult and a child who hasn't reached puberty. Another disorder in the paraphilias group is ephebophilia --- intense sexual interest in teenagers. According to the FBI, 61% of rape victims are under age 18, and 29% are younger than 11. Generally accepted academic studies say one out of every four women was sexually molested by an adult before she was 18. For men: 1 out of 10. Yet only one out of every 10 cases of child sexual abuse is reported to law enforcement, the FBI reports.
Just FYI.

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Originally posted by megaira, monstrously cheesy:
Beach Life... Pedophilia is a subcatagory of Paraphilia: "Any of a group of psychosexual disorders characterized by sexual fantasies, feelings, or activities involving a nonhuman object, a nonconsenting partner such as a child, or pain or humiliation of oneself or one's partner. Also called sexual deviation."

There is also ephebophilia:

From ehap (emphasis mine):

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Statistics on pedophilia are as difficult to come by as anecdotes are easy. The definition itself is misunderstood and often ill-used. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that belongs to a larger group known as paraphilias: sexual lust that is not connected to adult romantic love. Pedophilia is sexual contact between an adult and a child who hasn't reached puberty. Another disorder in the paraphilias group is ephebophilia --- intense sexual interest in teenagers. According to the FBI, 61% of rape victims are under age 18, and 29% are younger than 11. Generally accepted academic studies say one out of every four women was sexually molested by an adult before she was 18. For men: 1 out of 10. Yet only one out of every 10 cases of child sexual abuse is reported to law enforcement, the FBI reports.
Just FYI.

Meg

Thanks for the clairifaction. The poing I was trying to make is that pedophilia is something that most people and cultures can agree is wrong.

On the other hand, an adult lusting after the highschool cheerleader, while possibly troubling is not pedophilia.

Beach...didn't paraphilia include homosexuality at one time...Life!

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Because for some dumb reason, the county I live in has a law that says "any sexually related items (i.e.: condoms, the pill) may not be sold or distributed to minors". This same county also wonders why it has a huge high school pregnancy rate. [Confused]

Really? I was unaware on an age restriction for condoms, especially not a national one. Could you point me to a site that explains this to me?
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COUNTY, COUNTY, COUNTY!!! Not COUNTRY!
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COUNTY, COUNTY, COUNTY!!! Not COUNTRY!

oops.. still seems like a dumb law
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Another disorder in the paraphilias group is ephebophilia --- intense sexual interest in teenagers
ERGH! Every teenaged male on EARTH probably has this! And I'd bet a lot of the females, too!

How on earth can they tell when it starts being a disorder?

I think they're just making stuff UP, now...

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As for my tastes, I find all porn, no matter they originating culture, gets boring after 15 minutes....

Would that be just after you climax???
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"I found it interesting... interesting... interesting... VERY INTERESTING... then suddenly I lost interest."

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Originally posted by First of Two:
"I found it interesting... interesting... interesting... VERY INTERESTING... then suddenly I lost interest."

10 points for the quote.

Sounds like Kevin Nealon's porn reviews on SNL's Weekend Update.

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I have seen some of the porn in question,(some of my friends are avid collectors) and i find it sick. They are more open-minded. In some they crap on each other, and others involve vomiting on each other. It is not my idea of a good time, but hey, whatever gets you off! Yvonnels98@Yahoo.com
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for those of you who reacted so strongly to the assertion that the age of consent should be 18 everywhere...i agree with it...18 seems reasonable to me

as pat explained, it is not the age at which a person may have sex...it is the age at which an adult may have sex with that person...and the consent laws can be just a little bit complicated...for instance, in tennessee, in addition to the age of the minor, the age of the adult is taken into consideration

my brother could legally have sex with his 16-year-old girlfriend, even though he is 18 and legally an adult...because he is not much older than her...the adult can be no more than 4 years older than the minor...i think this is reasonable...the consent laws are there, after all, to protect the minor against being pressured by someone older than them into having sex when they may not be ready...not to keep minors from having sex period

as for laws about giving condoms to minors...i don't know about all the states, but here anyone can walk into the health department, ask for a "brown bag" and be given a paper bag full of condoms--no questions asked...and i have witnessed teens come in and do this (thank goodness they had the sense to)

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Jami, I'm just wondering if your attitudes towards young sex really have to do with your young relatives being molested, or with your own issues? You said before that you're a "fat, white American" whose sexual gratification is porn and fantasies. Is that a self view that leads to happy relationships and sexual encounters? Just because you're overweight doesn't mean you're excluded from sex! My best friend is overweight and she gets laid ALL THE TIME!!

Oh, and by the way, I had sex for the first time when I was 17, and many of my friends engaged in "sick and depraved" sex as teenagers. My first time was a beautiful, emotional experience that I put a lot of thought into. We used protection that my sick, depraved rapist bought at the store (he was 18). The relationship didn't work out, but I was in love, and even though the relationship didn't last, I don't regret it. I made an informed, adult choice to have sex with protection with a man I loved deeply.


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