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I've been thinking of embarking on a life of crime but wanted to get opinions on the downside:
Prison and jailhouse rape...does it really happen? You hear plenty of jokes about "Bubba" but I wonder about the truth to it. Maybe some ex-con or current convicts can confirm some other "facts":
Convicts look for potential "girlfriends" upon the arrival of new "fish". Common "punk" targets are white, small, and without money or contacts. Some punks are "traded" between prison groups. Gang rapes are common and are usually done by black gangs against lone white guys. Some famous black celebrities who were imprisoned were gang-raped as retribution for some perceived transgression (such as Tupac Shukur). Most prisons and large city jails not only ignore this activity but encourage it for prison control purposes.
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Yes, a large amount of this is true as far as I can tell.
quote: Common "punk" targets are white, small, and without money or contacts. Some punks are "traded" between prison groups...Most prisons and large city jails not only ignore this activity but encourage it for prison control purposes.
Salon.com has an interesting piece here about rape as a disciplinary tactic
Last semester I read this book called Makes Me Wanna Holler by Nathan McCall ; it is basically his coming of age story but there is a section about his time in prison where he describes the sexual dynamics. Psychologically, it's very interesting, he really gets into the minds of the rapists and victims
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I started a thread on this very topic months ago but can't remember the exact thread title.
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Yes, prison rape happens with frightening regularity in prisons all over the country. Check out the Human Rights, US Style post in the Politics section. Of course nothing in life is as certain as death and taxes, but if you want some measure of safety in prison, you had better be a member of a street or prison gang, the more ruthless the better. I read a link not too long ago about the chances of you getting raped in prison if you were White. It was purely anectodal, but the author surmised that if you were White and had no ties to prison/street gangs (fish), your chances of getting raped by Black inmates was very high. But if you were a member of a biker gang and was locked down with Black inmates in a pod, your chances of getting raped were practically zero. I would agree with that assessment, no inmate would want to mess with a hardcore biker gang member.
Forget the old tales about the nature of your crime determining your status in jail, you could be the baddest bank robber in the universe but that won't do jack for you in the pen unless you got backup. It also depends on what region of the country you get locked up also. You see, many criminals "learn" how to serve their time from when they were young, gradually progressing from juvenile hall to youth authority to state/federal prison. They know the ropes so to speak, how to serve their time.
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When I took sociology, we went to visit a state prison. The guards explained to us that the riskiest time is when you're first sent to prison, before they've separated everybody into their security risks. That's when the wussy folks are most likely to be mixed with the nasty mean folks. Once everybody is split up, the risk goes way down. Of course, this was coming from the guards...
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quote:Also from salon.com, I originally posted this link as a separate topic (every man's worst nightmare) last year on this site:
I remember when you posted this!! That story is burnt into my head.
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I've never been incarcerated, but I used to correspond with someone in prison and according to him, it's true, among other horrors. And according to him, the guards just laugh at it.
Also, gang leaders allegedly have an easy time of it in prison because of their influence and because the prison guards/officials are "on the take" themselves.
I'm not condoning what anyone did to be sent to prison, but the prisoner used to say that if you put someone in prison, watch him get raped, and don't do anything to educate him, when he gets out he'll be a bad person, someone you wouldn't want to deal with.
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I had an acquaintence who was writing a fiction story. She did a lot of research into prison conditions, because she planned to have her protagonist sent to prison (on a false conviction).
When she finished her research, she realized it would be almost completely unrealistic for him *not* to be raped while there, the incidence of rape of someone with his looks being THAT high.
Sad, really.
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quote:Some famous black celebrities who were imprisoned were gang-raped as retribution for some perceived transgression (such as Tupac Shukur).
Tupac was never raped in prison. He even somewhat joked about the rumors, saying "If I wouldn't get on the ground for 2 niggas with guns, what makes you think I'd bend over for a nigga without one?" Rapes also happen in women's prisons, with broomsticks
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quote:Originally posted by Bill: I'm not condoning what anyone did to be sent to prison, but the prisoner used to say that if you put someone in prison, watch him get raped, and don't do anything to educate him, when he gets out he'll be a bad person, someone you wouldn't want to deal with.
Thanks.
Bill
This is what happened to William King, the man who horrified the nation when he dragged a man to death behind a truck in Texas. From all accounts he was a mild mannered man before being sent to one of the most brutal prisons in Texas for a robbery conviction. Yes, he did seem to have prior racist beliefs, but was not some raving radical. He denied it, but King's attorney's believe he was viciously gang raped in prison and after that he was a transformed, ticking time bomb.
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quote:Originally posted by Professor X: I've been thinking of embarking on a life of crime but wanted to get opinions on the downside: .
Uhm.....am I the only one bothered by this? What kind of crime? Oh dear... lucy2005
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quote:Originally posted by Status the Untouchable: [QBRapes also happen in women's prisons, with broomsticks[/QB]
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say "OWWWWW". Man, talk about splinters. . .
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This may seem random, but I seem to remember that Marion Barry was raped while in prison. I think her even talked about it on one of the news magazine shows. I'm not 100% sure though, so if someone knows either way I'd appreciate it.
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Oops!!! Somehow it just makes it funnier
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Good god. These aren't prisons-they're Monster Factories.
That's what they're doing-turning people into monsters-even worse when they leave. And the guards that try and intervene are beaten-one guy had a hit placed on him.
According to the Salon articles, Lawrence of Arabia was raped while in a Turkish prison and it ruined his life.
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Yup, true in Australia too. My beloved used to work in the population health area of a "correctional facility" here. Day one: Have you been in gaol before? This is what to expect...
Interesting. Men who have sex with men in prison are not necessarily considered homosexual. Women who have sex with women in prison are considered homosexual.
And getting sex you didn't really want is not the end of it.
I'm interested too, what crime?
Bruce (come up here and NFBSK mummy's NFBSK) down under
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I think I've posted this before, but is anyone else bothered by the way people can so easily joke about prison rape? Jay Leno makes cracks about it the same way he does about Clinton's sex life, and everyone just yuks it up. This is RAPE we're talking about here! Why is that considered funny? We would never be so callous about male-on-female rape, even if it were of prisoners.
I'm no psychologist, but I think it's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard. We find prison rape so disgusting and unnerving that we laugh about it in order to avoid dealing with it. But we really should be dealing with it. In addition to the problem cited above of turning small-time thieves into sociopaths, it also speeds the transmission of HIV, and not just among prisoners. After all, most of these guys will eventually be released back into society.
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