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Ok, now I read what Snopes had to say about it and the reason they say "based on true story"...it said sorta ...well at the end of the movie they show a film (black & white), like of a cop going through the house and showing and talking about the place. Then the "leather face" attacks them, but they get a slight shot of the face, and then showed the police holding the casket of the police that died. Saying they went in without proper backup. They said the case is still open, and that shot of his face is the only one they have. So explain that? I know it could be a hoaxie thing like Bliar Witch...
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The black and white footage was used in both the remake and the original, and was shot for the movie. It's not real, nor intended to be construed as such.
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The black and white footage was not in the original; it was shot for the remake. I believe you are confusing it with the photographs of a rotted corpse tied to a tombstone with wire that appear at the beginning of the original TCM.
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I could have sworn it was, but I saw only parts of the original at the age of eight or nine over a friends' house, so it figures.
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...that and the opening dialouge and the radio broadcast in the orig...
quote:Originally posted by Bartleby Killed the Radio Star: The black and white footage was not in the original; it was shot for the remake. I believe you are confusing it with the photographs of a rotted corpse tied to a tombstone with wire that appear at the beginning of the original TCM.
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The only things shared, verbatim wise, between TCM and TCM2003, were bits of the narrator's dialogue, and the narrator himself (John Laroquette did it both times). Even some of the narration was changed this time around; there was no black and white footage in the original, because as later films told us Sally went comatose in the hospital, thereby never having a chance to tell her tale to anyone besides her uncle, therefore, there couldn't have been any footage since the house was never raided. The radio broadcast was exclusive to the original, and not reused in TCM2003, because they eliminated the siblings grandfather's grave (and the siblings) as the plot device bringing the kids to Texas.
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The 2003 version really lacked a lot of things that made the first such a shocker. They eliminate the freaky Ed Gein stuff like cannabalism arts and crafts made of human remains, and all the jumping around ranting that was so unsettling in the first movie. The premise of the new film was that the family let Leatherface kill people because he was teased as a child over a skin condition which made him look like Micheal Jackson. Well, that is disturbing in a way I guess.......
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quote:Originally posted by Bartleby Killed the Radio Star: Even some of the narration was changed this time around; there was no black and white footage in the original, because as later films told us Sally went comatose in the hospital, thereby never having a chance to tell her tale to anyone besides her uncle, therefore, there couldn't have been any footage since the house was never raided.
Are you talking about the ending of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation? Very strange film. If so, it's not just Sally who is in the hospital, but Frankin and Grandpa (at least, the actors cameo).
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quote:Originally posted by Bartleby Killed the Radio Star: Even some of the narration was changed this time around; there was no black and white footage in the original, because as later films told us Sally went comatose in the hospital, thereby never having a chance to tell her tale to anyone besides her uncle, therefore, there couldn't have been any footage since the house was never raided.
Are you talking about the ending of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation? Very strange film. If so, it's not just Sally who is in the hospital, but Frankin and Grandpa (at least, the actors cameo).
In either TCM 2 or 3 there's a (very) brief segment where it's mentioned that Sally from the first TCM went into a coma after the truck driver took her to the hospital
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quote:Originally posted by trollface: Are you talking about the ending of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation? Very strange film. If so, it's not just Sally who is in the hospital, but Frankin and Grandpa (at least, the actors cameo).
Huh? Franklin survived being hacked across the face and chest in the first movie? Or am I not understanding?
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quote:Originally posted by moonlight: Huh? Franklin survived being hacked across the face and chest in the first movie? Or am I not understanding?
Well, the film is very strange.
I'm going to put a ****SPOILER WARNING****, but I don't think it's really all that necessary, as the film is close to incoherent, and knowing the ins and outs of the plot (such as it is) won't ruin the experience of watching it. You'll probably have your mouth open in disbelief through most of it, even if you do know what's coming.
You have to know that from the start (the head of the family this time has a remote-control artificial leg, for a start. You read that right). Anyway, there's a whole sub-plot about how the families (it's never made clear whether any of them are actually supposed to be properly related, and whether there are supposed to be more than one Leatherface, or if the same one moves around) are actually employees of the CIA (or similar shadowy government organisation), and their job is to show people "the meaning of horror". It's never really explained beyond that.
However, at the end, the head of the family (Matthew McConaughey) is killed by a random passing crop-sprayer, and the surviving heroine (Renee Zellweger) is picked up in a limo by an agent from wehatever agency the family work for. She's then taken to a hospital where a cop (played by the guy who played Grandpa in the oroginal) talks to her (I forget exactly what he says, but it's on the lines of "it's been happening for longer than you think"). As this happens, she looks up, and her eyes meet Sally's, who is being pushed past Renee down the corridoor on a gurney. The person pushing her is Franklyn.
As the rest of the film is almost entirely incoherent, it's difficult to tell whether any of these people are supposed to be the same characters, or if they're just supposed to be cameos, however, the film is so random and bizzarre that either explaination is as likely as the other.
You really have to see the film for yourself to get a feel of what it's like, but I warn you that it is bad. You can laugh at it mostly, but it is bad, and you won't end up any less confused.
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I seem to recall that in TCM2, whichever character was related to Sally and Franklin (Dennis Hopper??) was going through the killer's 'museum' and saw a skeleton in a wheelchair and yelled something to the effect of, "Franklin, nooooo!" I could be wrong about exactly how the scene takes place, but I do remember the skeleton in a wheelchair.
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quote:Originally posted by Invader Fen: I seem to recall that in TCM2, whichever character was related to Sally and Franklin (Dennis Hopper??) was going through the killer's 'museum' and saw a skeleton in a wheelchair and yelled something to the effect of, "Franklin, nooooo!" I could be wrong about exactly how the scene takes place, but I do remember the skeleton in a wheelchair.
Hopper plays a disgraced Texas ranger, the uncle of Sally and Franklin from #1. He's been searching for the killers for years and finally corners them living underneath an abandoned theme park outside of Burkburnett. They've decorated their living quarters (actually a long, twisting series of catacombs) with the remnants of their victims, including Franklin, in a wheelchair. Hopper starts freaking out (which he does best) and says "don't cry, my brother, don't cry!" Then he goes and rams a chainsaw through Leatherface's stomach.
Number four was just about as bad as Trollface made it out to be (but I still bought the $9 DVD; hey, it's got Renee Zelwegger in it). The only sense I could make of it, and this is a stretch, is that it's one elaborate metaphor for the bastardization of horror films; that the "society" is Hollywood; the family trying to teach people "the meaning of fear" is about the decline in horror movies being scary and the rise of shitty sequals. Leatherface has been emasculated (he now cries and whines) and the family has, in a fucked up way, been turned politically correct (their leader is a female businesswoman and they no longer practice the taboo cannibalism). At the end of the movie the guy in the limo-- the creators of the franchise-- show up and kill the latest incarnation of their original masterpiece and attempt to set things straight.
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It's probably worth noting that, although the intro obliquely acknowledges parts 2 and 3, Kim Henkel described this as the "real" sequel to the first film.
That's an interesting theory, Bartleby. you could be right. Henkel says it's merely about dysfunctional families in interviews I can find, but, then, he would say that when it's just been released.
Also, of course, just because he didn't necessarily intend it to be read that way doesn't mean that it can't be read that way. Next time I watch it, I'll keep that in mind.
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actually i think the leatherface in TCM2 is a different one than in the original... *spoiler* because in part 1 leatherface drops the chainsaw on his leg and after that he limps the rest of the time... in part 2 he walks fine (heck he even runs) then part 3 (which is supposed to be a remake) he wears a leg brace... then sadly in next generation he has a mullet.lol
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Also, he suffers from a severe case of "Chainsaw through the belly" in part 2, but seems very alive in part 3.
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quote:Originally posted by trollface: However, at the end, the head of the family (Matthew McConaughey) is killed by a random passing crop-sprayer,
I saw the plane as an "agent" of the "agency", there to make quick work of the guy. Well, makes as much sense as anything else...
quote:and the surviving heroine (Renee Zellweger) is picked up in a limo by an agent from wehatever agency the family work for.
To me, the guy in the limo isn't from any government agency, per se, but is supposed to be either the devil himself or a representative... Once again, YMMV.
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quote:Originally posted by Arts Myth: I saw the plane as an "agent" of the "agency", there to make quick work of the guy. Well, makes as much sense as anything else...
Oh, for sure, but what I mean by "random" is that it's very Deus Ex Machina. It's introduced, kills him, then buggers off agian, all in the course of a minute or so.
quote:To me, the guy in the limo isn't from any government agency, per se, but is supposed to be either the devil himself or a representative... Once again, YMMV.
I dunno, where do you get the religious angle from? I've seen it twice now (I'd not seen it and bought it for cheap on the off-chance I'd enjoy it), and didn't pick up anything religious. There's plenty of references to this government agency (well, actually, it's not the government, as they're just puppets; it's the One World Government), and the peircings and scarification strike me as an attempt at showing him to be a member of the Illuminati, or some such.
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quote:To me, the guy in the limo isn't from any government agency, per se, but is supposed to be either the devil himself or a representative... Once again, YMMV.
I dunno, where do you get the religious angle from?[/QB]
Well, I chose the word "devil" because it was the easiest way to describe some sort of personification of supernatural evil. No religious overtones intended, just a vague usage of a rather loaded word.
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Uh sorry haven't been in here since I posted that..but Trollface has lost me. I figure we aren't talking about the same film anymore? *scratches head*
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