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Dagobert_XIII
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When I was in High School many years ago (ca late 1960s) there was the curious belief that gays (or queers as called then) wore green shirts on Thursdays as a 'secret' sign. There was also the curious belief that gays could not whistle. I always thought these were just typical adolescent silliness but have since found out that they actually reflected serious scientific thought amoung psycholgist during the 1900s. Namely that homosexuals had a preference for the color green and could not whistle. Does anybody know of other homophobic ULs? I can think of two:

1.) Heterosexual men are (paradoxicly) arroused by depictions of lesbian activies. This is considered the truest indication of hetero orientation by some psychs. I've never seen any scientific basis for it however.

2.) Gays have a 'longer' third finger (or some other abnormality) on there hands.

Any others?


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Historically, in the gay community, there have been several ways to "drop beads", that is, inform other people that you're a homosexual. I've never heard of the wearing green on Thursday, but hey. Some ones that were considered dropping beads:
1) A woman wearing a white hankerchief in her breast pocket.
2) A woman having a wallet in her right back pocket.

The finger thing more or less said that way people have longer index than ring fingers. I'm gay, and as a matter of scientific curiousity, I measured the fingers of a whole bunch of gay people. (About 75. It proved to be an amusing day.) It didn't pan out.

UL about gays include:

Gays are recruited
Gays are child molesters
Gays get toaster ovens for recruiting.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder

Incidentally, about 90% of pornography containing lesbians is made by and for heterosexual men.


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Bonnie
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Gays have a 'longer' third finger (or some other abnormality) on there hands.

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The finger thing more or less said that way people have longer index than ring fingers.

I'm curious, how long has this "gay finger rumor" been circulating?

If it's a fairly recent belief, it could be based on a study published in Nature this past spring.

(Here's a link to UC-Berkeley's press release about the study, which seems to indicate a statistical correlation between exposure to high levels of androgens in utero and consequent finger development and sexual orientation in later life. I also think we discussed this in another thread somewhere, but -- ahem -- the search engine seems to be a bit wonky at the moment.)

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sam
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I can vouch that there was a 'color' thingy associated with gays, when I was in high school(1960-62). Although, my dim memory remembers yellow and brown. And there was a day associated with it, but it would be wrong of me to try to pick it out.
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Thanks, Bonnie for the url. In my genetics class, I was told that having a ring finger longer than the index finger is dominant in males and recessive in females. Of course, genetics research has changed a lot in the 20 years since I took it. I have a longer ring finger and am not gay.

Too me, these childhood rumors are just another form of gay bashing.

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ok im not gay i have a girlfriend who i love very much i know gay people who can whistle and hate the colour green me i cant whistle and all ways seem to wear the colour green yet i dont find men attractive at all
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During the 70's there was a legend about bandanas. If the bandana (Red, IIRC) was worn in one pocket (rear of jeans) it meant that the wearer was gay. If in the other, not. I don't recall which was which. Also, if a guy wore an earring in his left ear he was supposed to be gay.

Whatever happened to the guy in Britain that developed the Gaydar device? The thing that sent out a signal to other Gaydar detectors and let you know that there was another gay person in the room? Techno-dropping the beads.


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Starla
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Back when i was in high school, wearing green on a thursday meant you were *horny*, not gay. And OMG! Think about the confusion when St. Patrick's Day falls on a Thursday! All those irish guys, strutting around in their green shirts, sending off mixed signals... I bet homosexuals get a big laugh out of that.

Alright, my ring finger is longer than my index finger, and i carry a wallet in my right back pocket, so that must mean i'm gay. AND i watch teletubbies! Boy is my boyfriend going to be surprised when he finds out!

Fact of the matter is, you can't tell someone is gay just by looking at them (unless they're say, wearing a great big sign that says, "I'm gay! Really!"), and any attempt to stereotype homosexuals is as ridiculous as stereotyping any other group of people. There is a difference between coincidence and a direct correlation.

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sam
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Star "I own a whip, does that mean i'm a cowboy?" la


She owns a whip! Shades of Lash LaRue, I think I'm in love.


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Mortimer Brewster
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Well, I can't whistle and my ring fingers are longer than my index fingers. I guess it's time to tell the wife and kids the truth. (I don't like green, though, does that mean I might not be gay?)
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Bonnie
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[Y]ou can't tell someone is gay just by looking at them (unless they're say, wearing a great big sign that says, "I'm gay! Really!"), and any attempt to stereotype homosexuals is as ridiculous as stereotyping any other group of people.

Oh, I doubt anyone would quarrel with that.

It's quite evident, however, that many outsiders have held beliefs (however unjust, ill-informed, or damaging) that a group of individuals may use "secret codes" (of one sort or another) to signal "brotherhood" (or "sisterhood" or whatever) to other members within the group.

In fact, andygirl wrote that,

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Historically, in the gay community, there have been several ways to "drop beads", that is, inform other people that you're a homosexual.

I dunno, but perhaps one (as an outsider) has to be of a certain, er, vintage to remember speculation as to what these "signs" were amongst members of the gay community (if indeed there were acknowledged "signs").

As peculiar as it sounds now, even to me, it was quite a hot topic amongst my (equally heterosexual) counterparts back in 197mumble, when I was in junior high, in a pretty enlightened university town. Perhaps I'm viewing this through rose-colored glasses, but I remember these discussions much less as gay-bashing than as attempts to somehow recognize a subculture that was (rightly) beginning to make its presence felt amongst the majority some 25 years ago.

Seems to me that one group's misunderstanding another's culture serves as the basis for a lot of ULs we see around here, and Dagobert's mention of these rumors falls within the contemporary folklore category too.

Finally, I haven't read Breedlove's Nature paper either, so I can't comment on his project's design or interpretation. Nevertheless, if there's a new rumor about gay men having "disproportionate" fingers, it may have stemmed from reports in the popular press about his research. That's all.


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Originally posted by Zenman:
...Also, if a guy wore an earring in his left ear he was supposed to be gay.


I always heard "left is right and right is always wrong.

The color on Thursday thing had a lot of us going for awhile in Jr. high. It seemed the color not to wear was always the color the "victim" was wearing on Thursday... usually blue. "Migod Bill! This is Gay blue shirt day, and you're wearing one! Did you bring your gym shirt to change into or... ARE YOU GAY!?" Followed by panic on the part of good ol' Bill.

No mercy...

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Amy Jo
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I'd heard something about the color blue. On the radio a couple of years ago, around Christmas time, the DJs were discussing a house one of them had seen--decorated in all blue lights. They were trying to figure out whether the residents were Jewish or gay.


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Well, those who would REALLY like to know all of this symbolism should check out Gay Semiotics by Hal Fischer.

About the "Thursday" thing -- in my area it was wearing RED on Thursday that marked you as gay. People were really paranoid about it. This from a group of schoolgirls who only had the vaguest idea what being gay was.

The color green has long been associated with "fairies" in the folklore sense. It's possible the word "fairies" was grabbed out of context and things went on from there.

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We had the earring thing round my way too, but only for men. For women, it was nose piercing - right nostril straight, left nostril gay. As for colours, no question about it - pink. Any man wearing pink just *had* to be gay.

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Ian Jarvis
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I've never heard of this gay third finger business but, in folklore, having a lengthy third finger (i.e the second and third fingers being the same length) was always a surefire way of spotting a werewolf. That and the fact that they eat children - something which most beer-swilling, tabloid-reading males readily believe of homosexuals.

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Daryn Voss
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In the book "Out, Proud and Fighting", note is made of the fact that the term "gay" was originally a codeword among homosexuals in the fifties, as was the term "so". e.g. "Is he so?"

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Originally posted by Starla:

Alright, my ring finger is longer than my index finger, and i carry a wallet in my right back pocket, so that must mean i'm gay. AND i watch teletubbies! Boy is my boyfriend going to be surprised when he finds out!

Pleasantly surprised?


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Originally posted by Dagobert_XIII:
When I was in High School many years ago (ca late 1960s) there was the curious belief that gays (or queers as called then) wore green shirts on Thursdays as a 'secret' sign.

Does that explain that whole thing about marching in the St. Patrick's Day parade?


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My roomate's gay. According to him, there are clothing/accessory signals to indicate top/bottom preference and type of guy preferred. I didn't bother to ask what they were. I don't need to know THAT much about his life!

He did say that it's somewhat regional (he's in a frat, and travels all over the US for meetings and conferences). What counts for the East Coast might not be the same as the midwest, south, West Coast, and so on.

I do remember from high school that "every third thursday was Queer Day." and "Only whores wore red on Fridays."


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My roomate's gay. According to him, there are clothing/accessory signals to indicate top/bottom preference and type of guy preferred.

Gay Hanky Signals

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MidwayChi
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How about those rainbow stickers in the rear windows of pickup trucks? My S.O. claims that's like an open invite to be chased by gay men. I tell her it's about as significant as a suction-cup-Garfield - well except if it's upside-down, we all know what that means!
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A rainbow sticker means that the occupant is most likely gay. Upside down? I have no idea. Gays in distress?

Okay, for the record, here are some of the commonly used gay pride symbols:
for gay people in general: the six-striped rainbow. (No indigo. All the stripes mean something, but I can't remember exactly what.) Also, the inverted pink triangle or rainbow triangle.
For lesbians: The labrys (it's a double headed battle ax) and the black triangle.
For bisexuals: a blue triangle connected with a pink triangle. (Not as commonly used.)
For the S&M subculture: A flag that has blue, black, and white stripes with a heart in the upper left corner. Also, a bear- a bear being a larger, heavy gay guy.

The gay hanky code is still in use in some bars.


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ROBERT.BAK
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[...]UL about gays include:

[...]
Gays are child molesters


Also (in Britain at least) that gays (male ones) always carry handbags. Just as Frenchmen always wear berets and striped jumpers, and always ride bicycles festooned with strings of onions, even indoors...

I once fell victim to both the gay ULs mentioned above; I was at a Magistrate's Court on a minor shoplifting charge, and because I was carrying some stuff to pass the time, using a store carrier-bag to do so, one neo-Nazi moron nearby jumped to the conclusion that I "must" be there on a child-molesting rap. Never mind the fact that such a serious charge likely would not be dealt with by a mere Magistrate's Court; never mind the statistic that child abuse, where sexual, is about 95% heterosexual; never mind, even, the most glaring errors in the pseudo-logic, namely that "all male gays carry handbags, always" is far too broad a generalisation to be true, and that a carrier is not a handbag and doesn't even look remotely like one.

This also (to my mind) shows the main thing that's wrong with the stereotype (and stereotypes generally): namely that those who are so dumb that they have to rely on stereotypes, instead of using their own judgement, are invariably (as in this case) too dumb to know what a handbag is, so that the canned judgement is worthless anyway...


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ROBERT.BAK
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Originally posted by Amy Jo:
I'd heard something about the color blue. On the radio a couple of years ago, around Christmas time, the DJs were discussing a house one of them had seen--decorated in all blue lights. They were trying to figure out whether the residents were Jewish or gay.


Or maybe just Elvis Presley fans?

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I've seen the rainbow stickers on cars. Except they tend to be long, thin horizontal bars, like 8 inches long and one inch wide. Uh...don't draw any conclusions from THAT.

The upside down triangle is what that Falwell/Teletubby controversy was over: Tinky Winky's special symbol was an upside down triangle. He was also purple, supposedly a gay pride color.

When I was a kid, 'round 1990 or so, when earrings for guys were starting to get popular, you HAD to put it in the left. If your right ear was pierced, you were gay. If both were pierced, you were still gay. So everyone got their left ears pierced. We often used this as "evidence" to prove the New Kids on the Block were gay. Jordan Knight had an earring in his right ear -- what more can you ask for?

Most of these "signs" though stem from homophobia. After all, you gotta know if THEY are out there! There has to be some way of discovering who they are before they molest your child!

Leisure "His tongue is pink so he MUST be gay!" Kid


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I'm convinced that this sort of thing serves two purposes... one... to be able to accuse someone you don't like of being gay... or two, to provide security in the belief that you can always spot a gay person.

The first has nothing to do with actually being gay... and the second is simply untrue (and is inspired by homophobia)... but it serves its purpose.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bonnie:

in utero


*eyes fly open* That...that...word...my God, someone else used that word... *stops shaking*

Cobain"its all part of the obsession"grrl


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In the book "Out, Proud and Fighting", note is made of the fact that the term "gay" was originally a codeword among homosexuals in the fifties

Actually, "gay" as slang for homosexual can be traced back to the 17th century; it's derived from "on the game" (slang for a prostitute), and from that it became associated with male prostitutes especially, then exclusively, then with all gays whether for hire or not.

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Originally posted by Cobain_Grrl:

*eyes fly open* That...that...word...my God, someone else used that word... *stops shaking*

Cobain"its all part of the obsession"grrl


*pours CG some Pennyroyal Tea* there, there Cobain_grrl, it'll be ok, you can stop shaking. And, All Apologies, but since Jesus doesn't want me for a sunbeam and (I'm Dumb)there's something in the way you talk that makes me ask "Where did you sleep last night?"

*sits down and waits for CG to have a big O*

And in other news, you promised to be the slave of whoever listed all the songs on a Nirvana CD in order a while back. You still haven't "paid up".

Wal "I wish I was like you, easily amused" ker

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on the OT: When I worked customer service in the Harrisburg, PA area years ago, I was the only straight male under age 40 in my training class/team. It was a joke started by a teammate (him being a 6'4" flamboyantly gay colored gentleman with purple contacts. funny funny individual). Of about 25 people, there were only 5 males in my class, 2 were in their 40s, one was the above-mentioned fellow, one was me, and the last was a quiet guy who turned out to be gay as well. (As the crowd shouts "get to the point") several of the ladies from our crew began gossiping that the quiet guy might be gay, because he wore several (3-4) silver rings, and they claimed that was a signal. I doubted it, but later the flamboyant chap (whose favorite catchphrase while on the phone was "If Madonna calls I'm not here") said there was some truth to it. We later saw the quiet fellow out to lunch with his SO and said hello. Never heard of that convention before or since, though the flamboyant guy did agree with me that I didn't have to have the standard straight man's fear of being hit on by gay men because I don't dress well enough. (not meant to offend)


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Originally posted by Dagobert_XIII:
1.) Heterosexual men are (paradoxicly) arroused by depictions of lesbian activies. This is considered the truest indication of hetero orientation by some psychs. I've never seen any scientific basis for it however.

2.) Gays have a 'longer' third finger (or some other abnormality) on there hands.

Any others?


UL#3. Gays wear 501 jeans and leave the #2 button open as a signal to each other.

UL#4. Straight guys can visualize two lesbians locked in a "conjugal visit", but will have a difficult time picturing two gay men in the same situation.

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I think a more important situation is not that men cannot visualize two guys doing anything remotely sexual, but if in fact women can. I mean if a straight man is attracted to women, it would make some semblance of sense that they could envision women together. Just as it would make sense to me if woman could envision two guys together.

Myself, I try to take men out of all of the visuals. It may sound strange, and sexist, but I have had dreams where I was a woman, and had sex with another woman. That one got me strange looks when I told people.

To add ot the ongoing topic, I'd like to point out one of the questions on The Straight Dope. Which is, why lisping is so stereotypically gay behavior? Which is something I've 'heard' or 'thought' before.

Though interestingly enough, if being 'gay' or having a lisp makes you one way or the other, what would bisexual people 'have' to differentiate them?

And I do know one young man who is homosexual, and there is a definite lisp to his speech, as there is to a guy I used to work with, but I don't certainly think it's caused because of their orientation.

I mean, think of how many people lisp who AREN'T gay?

WT

P.S. What really intrigues me if people's willingness to say "Woohoo, two chicks making out!", but even mention two men and they act as if it's an affront to God.

Which may have been your original point.

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What really intrigues me if people's willingness to say "Woohoo, two chicks making out!", but even mention two men and they act as if it's an affront to God.

You obviously haven't been following the Dodgers.

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Nope, me and organized cults do not coincide well.

P.S. Though I am intrigued by PRECISELY what you meant, joking aside.

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