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Police have arrested the mother and two cousins of a pregnant 16-year-old who are accused of forcing the teen to drink turpentine in an attempt to induce an abortion.

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0926Turpentine26-ON.html

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Well, I can see how this works. Kill the mother, kill the fetus.

Makes perfect sense. [Roll Eyes]

These people are disgusting.

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Ugh. How repugnant. The poor kid is raped, becomes pregnant, and is forced by her mother to drink turpentine to "abort" the baby.

I am confused, though, by how the mother and cousins could be charged with criminal abortion, when the girl did not actually miscarry the fetus.

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The women might have wanted the teen to have an abortion because her pregnancy could have exacerbated an unrelated health problem, Bohannon said.
And drinking turpentine will not have exacerbated this health problem?

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The women might have wanted the teen to have an abortion because her pregnancy could have exacerbated an unrelated health problem, Bohannon said.
And drinking turpentine will not have exacerbated this health problem?
That's exactly what I was thinking.

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That poor girl.What the heck were those people thinking?

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What is it with parents trying to force their kids into an abortion against their will? Creepy.

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Originally posted by lynnejanet:
I am confused, though, by how the mother and cousins could be charged with criminal abortion, when the girl did not actually miscarry the fetus.

i'd think that even if the medical procedure were unsuccessful, the fact that it was attempted would be enough. Not that forcing someone to drink turpentine is a medical procedure. Well, not anymore.

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Wow, what were these people thinking ? Oh wait I don't think they were.

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Originally posted by lynnejanet:
I am confused, though, by how the mother and cousins could be charged with criminal abortion, when the girl did not actually miscarry the fetus.

Probably the same way that attempted murder carries the same sentence as murder. "But the person didn't actually die" is not a valid defence. The intent was to unlawfully cause an abortion, so that's what the charge is based upon.

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Seeing as how i know nothing of the chemical components of turpentine, but wouldn't drinking it put her in as much danger as the fetus? How did they know it wouldn't kill her?
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Originally posted by serarose:.What the heck were those people thinking? [/QB]
They weren't thinking. Had they been thinking they never would have tried something this stupid. They should get longer than ten years for a crime like this.

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Seeing as how i know nothing of the chemical components of turpentine, but wouldn't drinking it put her in as much danger as the fetus? How did they know it wouldn't kill her?

Dude. It's Columbus, GA. You ever drunk home-brew from that section of the state? Turpentine is mild compared to that.....I got it. [fish]

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I was going to point out where these people went wrong in their plan, but I'm afraid to give any other NFBSK-heads out there ideas...

so I'll just say, if that was the goal, there was a much better way to go about it [fish]

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Makes me wonder why they didn't consider a regular abortion at some point in the pregnancy.. Though I suppose they may have only found out after viability.. If there was an actual health risk posed to the girl from pregnancy (and I doubt it, but you never know) they may have still been able to have one done, not sure without more detials).

Still, horrible, and very poorly thought out (not trying to make lite of it, just saying..)

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Three months is way before viability. My hunch is that it's a lot easier to physically force someone to drink something toxic than to persuade a health clinic to perform an abortion against the patient's wishes.

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Originally posted by Snowy Chloe:
Three months is way before viability. My hunch is that it's a lot easier to physically force someone to drink something toxic than to persuade a health clinic to perform an abortion against the patient's wishes.

Yup. Considering the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide of one kind or another*, I'd say the idea isn't all that rare. "Oops, kicked her too hard that time."


Not to mention, this study found:

"The incidence of assaults involving hospitalizations was 65 per 100,000 person-years for pregnant women versus 21 per 100,000 for all women (rate ratio 3.14; 95% confidence interval [CI] 2.04, 3.39)."


I.E., Pregnant women are 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault then non-pregnant. Makes you wonder.

*Horon, I., & Cheng, D., (2001). Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality - Maryland, 1993 - 1998. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001.


+Weiss HB, Lawrence BA, Miller TR., (2002). Pregnancy-associated assault hospitalizations. Obstet Gynecol. 2002 Oct;100(4):773-80.

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According to the MSDS, the target organs upon ingestion are the respriatory system and the central nervous system.

It is not immediately fatal, although it may end up causing birth defects.

I wonder why the more serious charge is criminal abortion rather than, oh, I don't know, attempted murder or whatever they would charge someone for deliberately poisoning the teen.

Poor kid!

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quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
I.E., Pregnant women are 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault then non-pregnant. Makes you wonder.

Or that doctors are 3.14 times more likely to keep a pregnant woman overnight for observation after an assault rather than treat and release her. Statistics are what you make of them...

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quote:
Originally posted by Delta-V:
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Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
I.E., Pregnant women are 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault then non-pregnant. Makes you wonder.

Or that doctors are 3.14 times more likely to keep a pregnant woman overnight for observation after an assault rather than treat and release her. Statistics are what you make of them...
Which still makes pregnant women 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault than non-pregnant women. Ryda wasn't "making" anything of the statistic - it didn't speak to reason for hospitalizations, only the pregnancy status of the women who were assaulted.

Edited: extraeneous "who" - who who, indeed!

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quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
quote:
Originally posted by Snowy Chloe:
Three months is way before viability. My hunch is that it's a lot easier to physically force someone to drink something toxic than to persuade a health clinic to perform an abortion against the patient's wishes.

Yup. Considering the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide of one kind or another*, I'd say the idea isn't all that rare. "Oops, kicked her too hard that time."


Not to mention, this study found:

"The incidence of assaults involving hospitalizations was 65 per 100,000 person-years for pregnant women versus 21 per 100,000 for all women (rate ratio 3.14; 95% confidence interval [CI] 2.04, 3.39)."


I.E., Pregnant women are 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault then non-pregnant. Makes you wonder.

*Horon, I., & Cheng, D., (2001). Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality - Maryland, 1993 - 1998. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001.


+Weiss HB, Lawrence BA, Miller TR., (2002). Pregnancy-associated assault hospitalizations. Obstet Gynecol. 2002 Oct;100(4):773-80.

Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
quote:
Originally posted by Snowy Chloe:
Three months is way before viability. My hunch is that it's a lot easier to physically force someone to drink something toxic than to persuade a health clinic to perform an abortion against the patient's wishes.

Yup. Considering the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide of one kind or another*, I'd say the idea isn't all that rare. "Oops, kicked her too hard that time."


Not to mention, this study found:

"The incidence of assaults involving hospitalizations was 65 per 100,000 person-years for pregnant women versus 21 per 100,000 for all women (rate ratio 3.14; 95% confidence interval [CI] 2.04, 3.39)."


I.E., Pregnant women are 3.14 times more likely to end up in a hospital for assault then non-pregnant. Makes you wonder.

*Horon, I., & Cheng, D., (2001). Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality - Maryland, 1993 - 1998. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001.


+Weiss HB, Lawrence BA, Miller TR., (2002). Pregnancy-associated assault hospitalizations. Obstet Gynecol. 2002 Oct;100(4):773-80.

Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]
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Originally posted by MaleOrderBride:
Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]

Nobody said it was more outrageous. Ryda said it was more common. The words "outrageous" and "common" are not synonyms.

Oh, and strawman: The pro-choice position is that a woman's decision regarding the fate of her pregnancy should not be coerced, whether by an abusive SO or parent or by law. No supporter of women's reproductive freedom has ever suggested that all pregnancies should end, or that abortion is inherently preferable.

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Or that there is anything wrong with a pregnant woman wanting and loving her fetus and thinking of it as a baby rather than a parasite. Such a thing is often cause for celebration.

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Originally posted by MaleOrderBride:
Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]

Just remember that you, too, were once a parasite.

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I think MaleOrderBride is making fun of people who talk about the fetus as a parasite. But if you google for fetus and abortion and parasite, you'll actually get more anti-abortion websites than pro-choice ones. Funny, that.

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Originally posted by Lainie:
quote:
Originally posted by MaleOrderBride:
Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]

Nobody said it was more outrageous. Ryda said it was more common. The words "outrageous" and "common" are not synonyms.
Well, perhaps Ryda Wong can explain why we even have stats on domestic violence on women carrying parasites? Where are the stats on all the women with lice who get beaten up by their partners? What about all those women with black eyes who are infested with spirochetes? They're all parasites, right?
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Originally posted by kmcm:
quote:
Originally posted by MaleOrderBride:
Why is the health/abuse of a pregnant woman considered more outrageous than the health/abuse of a non-pregnant woman...the only difference is that the pregnant woman has a parasite inside of her, remember? [Roll Eyes]

Just remember that you, too, were once a parasite.
The only difference is that MOB never stopped being one.

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Originally posted by MaleOrderBride:
Well, perhaps Ryda Wong can explain why we even have stats on domestic violence on women carrying parasites? Where are the stats on all the women with lice who get beaten up by their partners? What about all those women with black eyes who are infested with spirochetes? They're all parasites, right?

My ex never tried to kill me when I had a yeast infection, but he did try to kill me when I was pregnant. Why not ask the abusers, since apparently they're the ones making the distinction.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roadie:
Ryda wasn't "making" anything of the statistic - it didn't speak to reason for hospitalizations, only the pregnancy status of the women who were assaulted.

No, she didn't jump to any conclusion. However:

quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
Nobody said it was more outrageous. Ryda said it was more common.

Lainie immediately assumes that it is more common. Thus Ryda's posting lead Lainie to that conclusion that the numbers mean assaults are 3.14 times more common (which I knew someone would, of course, that's why I made the comment).
This suggests it's 35-50% more common. But then it may be more common for pregnant women to report it or seek medical attention, so you probably can't trust those numbers either. Not that it's any less reprehensible.

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