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Before you start addressing the issue of steri lization, you might want to read this
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Did you follow up the thread and read what the FDA had to say? What, specifically, bothers you about this? The potential for abuse (which I suspect is much lower than the admin of that board seems to think) or the side effects? Or the very idea that a dog could be sterilized without surgery?
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The admin didn't say anything about abuse. He just stated what would need to be addressed in his opinion. I read what the FDA had to say. I still don't get how that is true. Is that really even the FDA's website?
I think the questions that both people brought up on the thread are good questions. Something like this worries me too. Why do people not just get their dog spayed or neutered? I don't get that.
I guess it would be a good option to have around but certainly not if it gets into the wrong hands. Also if people use that instead of neutering it doesn't calm the males and protect them from health problems that a neuter does.
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I've often wondered if PETA types consider it more "ethical" to give dogs and cats vasectomies/tubal ligations than the traditional neuter/spaying. After all, we don't neuter humans, even sex offenders.
Hmm, I wonder how this injection works. Maybe it's similar to RISUG, where they inject a goo that blocks sperm in the vas deferens.
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I think this is a really interesting possibility that could potentially make sterilization more accessible. Also, if this injection is safe (what the risks may be I have no idea) then it may be preferable to surgery.
I wonder how it works--is it a hormone of some sort, like birth control? And, if it is, is it a one-time-only shot, or something that needs to be redone occasionally?
It is difficult to pass judgement on something that is still in the works; I think it has the potential to be a very good thing or to be something practically worthless. I don't see how it really could be all that harmful, though, unless it has really horrible side effects. Anything that encourages people to alter their pets and makes it easier to do so seems good to me.
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Maybe the potential for abuse is in the hands of PETA types who would love to sterilise all pets. If it is a one-time injection, they could secretly inject pets with it. Still, that is a very remote possibility in my opinion, since such a drug would certainly be tightly controlled and only available to professionals.
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quote:Originally posted by liebeslied: I've often wondered if PETA types consider it more "ethical" to give dogs and cats vasectomies/tubal ligations than the traditional neuter/spaying. After all, we don't neuter humans, even sex offenders.
I've seen myself what can happen in female cats and dogs that aren't spayed - diseases of the womb that can result in death. My pets don't do recreational sex, for them it is an urge to breed. I also don't want them to fight for mates or territory and risk injury and disease. It isn't healthy for female cats to be in oestrus frequently (and they can get distressed). Phantom pregnancies can be distressing for bitches and their owners. Neutering isn't just to prevent unwanted offspring, it also keeps the neutered animals healthier.
ETA: To be truly effective it would have to be a one-time only shot. Otherwise adopters may not get boosters. One-time only would also be better when dealing with ferals - it's hard enough to trap them once!
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I think its called Neutersol. Its a shots that is givin directly into each testicle, I think it halts sperm production, but I'm not sure. The vets office worked at had some, but the vet didn't like to use it because she considered the failure rate (.5%) unacceptably high. Plus it didn't eliminate many of the behavior problems and diseases many intact males get, so a lot of owners ended up getting a traditional neuter later.
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I interviewed at a place that was working on something like this (bc for dogs in shot form)....I think I bombed the interview, when I asked what the point was, since surgical sterilization is relatively cheap and very safe. (Their shot was going to have to be repeated every couple of months or so.) Really the only people it made sense for was people who showed male dogs, who must be intact.
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I think this can be a very good product, but I hope people do not use it as a band-aid for conventional neutering.
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quote:Originally posted by mouse goddess: I interviewed at a place that was working on something like this (bc for dogs in shot form)....I think I bombed the interview, when I asked what the point was, since surgical sterilization is relatively cheap and very safe. (Their shot was going to have to be repeated every couple of months or so.) Really the only people it made sense for was people who showed male dogs, who must be intact.
That definitely makes sense for show dogs- but do you know if it has any side effects? I can't imagine it having none!
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The mention of showing reminds me of a dog show UL! A show quality Doberman dog had undescended testicles so the owner got a vet to put in silicon implants (the sort they use for guys who have had testicular cancer). The dog went on to win many prizes, but disaster struck when a judge grabbed the animals rear end to ensure it was "entire" and the undescended testicles descended. The presence of 4 lumps where only 2 shuold be gave the game away and the owner was disgraced.
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