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A mother whose daughter died at the hands of a man obsessed with violent internet porn has won her fight for a ban on possessing such images.
The government has announced plans to make the possession of violent porn punishable by three years in jail.

It follows a campaign by Berkshire woman Liz Longhurst whose daughter Jane, a Brighton schoolteacher, was allegedly strangled by Graham Coutts.

Mrs Longhurst's campaign was backed by MPs and a 50,000-signature petition.



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It's a noble idea. The only problem I see is that so far we haven't managed to produce a proper legal definition of pornography in the UK. Check out the beautiful vagueness of the Obscene Publications Acts

http://www.iwf.org.uk/police/page.22.38.htm

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This act makes it an offence to publish, whether for gain or not, any article whose effect, taken as a whole, is such, in the view of the court, to tend to "deprave and corrupt" those likely to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it.
In other words chuck it at a jury and let them decide if it's pornographic or not.

So if we can't word a law that legally defines pornography, then I'll be interested to see if can come up with a wording that describes violent pornography.

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EXCELLENT.
Thank you for posting this.

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So The Devil made him do it? Or in this case The Violent Porn made him do it? :/

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In fact, it could be even harder to define than that because the government's wording seems to omit the 'porn' element.

Link from the BBC page in the OP

[QUOTE]Under new laws announced on Wednesday by Home Office minister Vernon Coaker MP, anyone caught with images "featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury", could be jailed for up to three years. [QUOTE]

So where do you draw the line? What about one of those police video programmes where a drunk person is attacking another person?

What about these stupid videos which show people doing stupid acts that could end up in serious injury (for example, people who put fireworks in their backsides and set fire to them)?

What about a home video showing a story that has violence?

So, whilst the idea is laudable, it would be hard to define and be unworkable.

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Thanks Andrew of Ware. I am destroying my Straw Dogs DVD as I type. Shame I've only watched it once.

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As much as I understand why porn that presents violent AND non-consesual sex (and I mean sex that starts as n-c and then she "changes her mind), needs to be stricken from the planet, I'd be frightened that this law would apply to material that depicts violent consensual sex, like alot of the BDSM videos, some of which, I swear to the goddess, are really instructional.

I mean, not every community has someone who know how to do mummification or even proper cupping. Those certianly have their use.

And, I see this as being quite difficult to enforce, despite it's good intentions.

There have been several murders that people based on violent porn scenes/layouts, but they could just as easily take scenes from regular films to use as a template.

I'd think the better thing would be to work against the connections between sex and violence, connections that are formed pretty early in childhood, and change our paradigm of sexuality. There's no easy fix.

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I really don't think violent porn or a fetish for violence can be blamed in this instance. Many people who enjoy violent fantasies or violent pornography do not harm other people. And many people who do harm others do not consume violent pornography.

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I would have to agree with Ryda and Thistle on this one. (yeah, yeah watch out for earthquakes, etc). This is much too impractical to try and enforce.

I like porn as much as the next person (ok, maybe more), but I've never liked the 'rape' fantasy porn (even when it is clearly being acted out). It just makes me uncomfortable that some people get way into it, BUT I think most of the people who view this kind of porn are able to deliniate between fantasy and reality.

I mean, some people really like the 'French maid' or 'Secretary' sex fantasies, but most of them clearly do not go out looking to have sex with secretaries and maids.

Think this one is going to end up being one of those 'good intentions paving the road to hell' kind of things.

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[QUOTE It just makes me uncomfortable that some people get way into it, BUT I think most of the people who view this kind of porn are able to deliniate between fantasy and reality.

I mean, some people really like the 'French maid' or 'Secretary' sex fantasies, but most of them clearly do not go out looking to have sex with secretaries and maids.[/QB][/QUOTE]


Sorta. I don't think it's just porn that's the issue. I think it's the whole eroticization of power differentials that's the problem. And getting rid of certain types of porn is going to do jack-all about that until the culture changes, and changes throughly.

The only real reason to ban child porn is because an actual child would be harmed in making it. Banning the images does nothing to change the desire that leads to viewing such images.

And, as far as seperating fantasy from reality, you have far more faith in people than do I.

Example: There's a blog post that's getting lots of discussion right now where a woman is talking about an ex forcing her head down for a blow job when it was made clear she didn't want to continue. Neither she nor (apparently) the man involved saw this as sexual assault. I think that violent domination in sex has become (and has been) so mainstream (NOT just in porn, but in general) that it is often part and parcel of the act. And some people go far, far beyond that mainstream.

However, I think to address the problem to any extent, you have to change what the median is.

Ehhh. It's complex. Really complex. (even for me. I say this as I have singletaie marks and a symbol carved into my back from a cutting at a play party last weekend) Which is why I don't like this decision. It just won't do any good, especially considering you could pull hundreds of medival texts that contain highly violent sex.

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What the hell is wrong with violence in porn between consenting adults? BDSM is one of the most popular fetishes and they want to outlaw it?

Even though there's never been a study that has conclusively shown that violent porn drives people to commit sexual assaults (people who commit assault are more likely to watch violent porn but they probably would've committed the assault anyhow).

Just look at the graphs for rape statistics for example (don't have them on hand but I'm sure you can google them). Japan has some of the most extreme porn on the planet yet only has a fraction of sexual assaults that we do. There's actually evidence that shows people who are sexually repressed and unable to get off to their fantasies will try to realise these fantasies out of desperation.

Kinsey showed that "unusual" sexual habits are normal and healthy. This stupid law which has been driven by the tabloids does nothing but criminalise what is a popular fantasy. It's banning the thought of an action, not the action itself.

It sickens me how many laws are being passed because of pressure from the right wing tabloids.

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In Australia violent erotica is banned absolutley. This is how far the definition goes: if there is violence anywhere in an X rated movie it will not qualify as "non-violent erotica". Even if the violence doesn't relate to the sex. In a contentious decision, a porn movie was refused classification by the Office Of Film and Literature Classification due to a scene where there was a fight between players of a football team, even though the fight occured on the field and was not during a sex scene.

I recieved training on how to identify "objectional material" for my work with Customs (I am an officially qualified porn specialist [Smile] ) and I was surprised to learn just how tough the regulations are over here.


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Japan has some of the most extreme porn on the planet yet only has a fraction of sexual assaults that we do.

We're talking about the Japan where they've had to create "female only" train carriages because there was such a bad groping problem, are we?

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Japan has some of the most extreme porn on the planet yet only has a fraction of sexual assaults that we do.

We're talking about the Japan where they've had to create "female only" train carriages because there was such a bad groping problem, are we?
I don't know if it's a problem with "the Japan", the proximity in crowded trains, the general lack of resistance, etc. I think it's a combination of many things (but I doubt porn has a whole lot to do with it). Instead of creating female carriages (which, no, they didn't "have" to do), some train lines have encouraged women to speak up and have prosecuted the perpetrators to the full extent of the law (and that means you'll probably lose you job even if you're only accused). That seems to have worked much better than segregation. (The "female only" rules -- which only apply during the peak hours -- aren't even enforced. The most you'll get is a glare from your fellow passengers. I suppose it does give some people some small measure of comfort.)

ETA -- I also have to say, about "Japan has some of the most extreme porn..." Are you sure? Up until recently they weren't even allowed to show to show the gentitals. I don't think there's anything "extreme" about the porn here. In general, though it's hard to compare, I think it compares with many places in Europe. It is highly available. I don't know what else is unusual about it. I also don't know if Japan has such a low rate of sexual assault. Again, it's hard to compare when you consider that Japan has a generally low rate of all violent crimes. Sorry, but I think the "but in Japan" argument doesn't fly.

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just look up "guro" (I would advise against doing so though) and tell me Japan doesn't have some of the most extreme porn on the planet. There's a huge amount of availability of porn definately and Comiket, which sells doujinshi (the vast majority of which is hentai) and gets hundreds of thousands of attendees.

Then there's the disturbingly sick Shota and Lolicon stuff (DO NOT SEARCH FOR THESE)...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:International_rape_rates_2002.jpg

out of date but still no real evidence that porn has much to do with violent sexual assault as countries which have traditionally have had the most extreme porn have lower rates than countries with tighter controls over porn or a society that looks heavily down on it.

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Originally posted by abigsmurf:
What the hell is wrong with violence in porn between consenting adults? BDSM is one of the most popular fetishes and they want to outlaw it?

Even though there's never been a study that has conclusively shown that violent porn drives people to commit sexual assaults (people who commit assault are more likely to watch violent porn but they probably would've committed the assault anyhow).

Just look at the graphs for rape statistics for example (don't have them on hand but I'm sure you can google them). Japan has some of the most extreme porn on the planet yet only has a fraction of sexual assaults that we do. There's actually evidence that shows people who are sexually repressed and unable to get off to their fantasies will try to realise these fantasies out of desperation.

Kinsey showed that "unusual" sexual habits are normal and healthy. This stupid law which has been driven by the tabloids does nothing but criminalise what is a popular fantasy. It's banning the thought of an action, not the action itself.

It sickens me how many laws are being passed because of pressure from the right wing tabloids.

Well, what Ryda and the others are concerned about is the rape fantasy porn, not necessairly BDSM porn

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The kind of person who would go out and repeat those acts is surely the kind of person who would be turned on by, say, a rape in an 'everyday' (i.e. non-porn) film, no?
If they are that way inclined then they are going to do it whether they see it in a film or not.

I'm more worried that it might backfire- if they can't watch it in films then they might 'have' to go out and do it themselves.

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Even though I understand and to some degree agree with the intent of such a ban, it still makes me uneasy.

Assuming that all actors are just acting, and no one is really forced to do anything, this is just a fantasy. A thought in the mind of the watcher. It brings is closer to a Orwellian "thought-crime", there even thinking about a crime is the same as committing it, and I really don't like the direction where that is going.

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A+ to the mother who is fighting against this stuff- but she may be trying to hold back the ocean with a broom.

Even if she bans magazines, videos, etc- there is always the internet. If we can't ban violent porn in here then we can't stop it.

I'm afraid I would know- I am a recovering sex- addict myself. I have had "bondage" fantasies long before I got my first playboy- however, once the porn started coming in it got worse.

The jerks who murder and rape children are totally responsible for what they do. If they know they are about to commit a crime, they have an obligation to stop themselves one way or another. No one forced them to become monsters.

But we need to take porn more seriously. You wouldn't want me advertizing heroine or cocain on TV- but it's OK to let other addictive substances, like porn, be sold off a shelf at my local gas stations. You wouldn't want me putting "The Story of O" on public television stations- but for some reason it's OK to put worse on the internet, knowing children will find a way to get at it.

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But we need to take porn more seriously. You wouldn't want me advertizing heroine or cocain on TV- but it's OK to let other addictive substances, like porn, be sold off a shelf at my local gas stations. You wouldn't want me putting "The Story of O" on public television stations- but for some reason it's OK to put worse on the internet, knowing children will find a way to get at it.
Actually, I wouldn't mind The Story of O on public television at all. I might not want heroin or cocaine to be sold, but I'd be perfectly fine with marijuana. Children will find a way to get just about anything that they aren't allowed to have. I was able to get into Cinemax late at night by figuring out by parents' password. I was able to get cigarette's by having an adult friend buy them for me when I started work at 15. I was able to get alcohol, all I ever had to do was ask (although this is one of the times where I just wasn't interested until much later in life.) That's why discussion and stopping things from becoming so "dirty" and taboo is the answer, not outright bans, IMO.

Lots of things are addictive, the internet itself, video games, television, alcohol. The point is not to outright ban these things (including porn) or to make *more* restrictions on them, that's just going to create an environment where people get addicted to the feeling of doing something "wrong". A better method would to be less restrictive, make porn a more open thing, so that when people do get addicted, it's not in their bedroom late at night with all the lights off because they don't want the neighbors to know. Then the addiction can be dealt with, because it will be something that's not taboo to talk about.

So, we might disagree here, but I think we should take porn far less seriously. It's entertainment, and it's enjoyable for most who watch it. Some get addicted, yes, and as long as porn remains this great big secret no one can talk about, more people will get addicted. Another thing is, porn is not to blame for someone's addiction. That's like letting an alcoholic blame it on the drinks. Again, YMMV, but I think if you're a former addict then we both know that the changing begins with Me, Myself, and I.

As for violent porn (on topic of the main discussion), I think so long as the actors are acting, and no one is really being forced, then violent porn is no more different then a scene in a non-porn movie portraying a woman's rape. Banning violent porn and saying it's the cause of anything, is giving the bastards who commit these crimes an excuse, "The violent porn made me do it, woe is me!" When, in reality, we should be making them face up to their own stupidity.

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n Australia violent erotica is banned absolutley. This is how far the definition goes: if there is violence anywhere in an X rated movie it will not qualify as "non-violent erotica". Even if the violence doesn't relate to the sex. In a contentious decision, a porn movie was refused classification by the Office Of Film and Literature Classification due to a scene where there was a fight between players of a football team, even though the fight occured on the field and was not during a sex scene.

I recieved training on how to identify "objectional material" for my work with Customs (I am an officially qualified porn specialist) and I was surprised to learn just how tough the regulations are over here.

Everytime I think Australia seems to be a great place, I hear about things like this that make me glad to live where I do. First I hear about fines for not voting (ick), and now I hear they have an outright ban of that magnitude, which makes absolutely no sense when used in context.

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Actually, I wouldn't mind The Story of O on public television at all.

They showed The Story of O over here on either Channel 4 or Five a couple of years ago. Can't say it enthralled me, but the theme tune is fantastic.

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Some people become addicted to caffeine - ban it! Some people become addicted to chocolate - ban it! Some people become addicted to the internet - ban it! Ban anything and everything that anyone could ever possibly be addicted to! Ban it all!

Of course, since any activity or substance or material could cause someone to become addicted, there's be no food or entertainment or leisure activty of any kind. But at least the children would be safe, right?

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Originally posted by Midgard_Dragon:

As for violent porn (on topic of the main discussion), I think so long as the actors are acting, and no one is really being forced, then violent porn is no more different then a scene in a non-porn movie portraying a woman's rape.

If it's being played for titillation, it's different.

Now, quite obviously, I'm against the ban. I do, however, think that material eroticizing non-consensual or coerced sexual behavior (be it "porn" or not) is harmful. However, that's not a problem to be handled by outlawing the material. It's a problem to be handled by changing a society so that in no way, shape or form can non-consensual or coerced sexual behavior be considered erotic by the average viewer, and where such a fetish is discouraged. Please note that this is a very differet fetish than consensual, agreed-upon, temporary exchanges of power.

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Originally posted by Cobra4J:

But we need to take porn more seriously. You wouldn't want me advertizing heroine or cocain on TV- but it's OK to let other addictive substances, like porn, be sold off a shelf at my local gas stations. You wouldn't want me putting "The Story of O" on public television stations- but for some reason it's OK to put worse on the internet, knowing children will find a way to get at it.

I don't want to minimize your experience as a sex/ porn addict, but those addictions are not comparable to drug addictions. Being "addicted" to an activity is more like a psychological compulsion, not a physical dependence on a chemical. While brain chemistry does come into play, of course, there is not something innate in porn that makes it addictive. Most people who did heroin many times would become dependent on it. Most people who consume porn many times do not become "addicted" or have an overwhelming compulsion to consume more.

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n Australia violent erotica is banned absolutley. This is how far the definition goes: if there is violence anywhere in an X rated movie it will not qualify as "non-violent erotica". Even if the violence doesn't relate to the sex.

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Everytime I think Australia seems to be a great place, I hear about things like this that make me glad to live where I do. First I hear about fines for not voting (ick), and now I hear they have an outright ban of that magnitude, which makes absolutely no sense when used in context.
Sorry for the late reply. We don't actually get fined for not voting in Australia - we get fined for not attending a polling station. This ensure that everyone gets to vote if they so wish. Noone stands over your shoulder to ensure that you are putting x's int the squares [Smile] It is designed to avoid the nasty problems such as those seen in recent US elections where citizens were denied their right to vote simply because they shared the same name as a criminal.

As for the porn thing - a lot of people are shaking their heads over that one, including the Office of Film and Literature Classification. It was a case of conservative independents having the balance of power on the issue.

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Even with fines for not showing up at a polling station, I find it icky. What happens if it's impossible for you to get to the polls on that day, for whatever reason, you're fined for unfortunate circumstances? There's too many ifs in the equation for me to view fines like that as a good thing.

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What do I do if I can't get to my local polling place on election day?

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Provision is made for pre-poll, postal and absent voting for electors who are unable to vote at their local polling place on election day.

  • Absent vote: Electors who are out of their division but still within their home State or Territory, may cast an 'absent vote' at any polling place in that State or Territory.
  • Postal and pre-poll vote: Electors who for various reasons cannot attend a polling place anywhere in the State or Territory for which they are enrolled on polling day can apply in writing for a 'postal vote'. The Divisional Returning Officer (DRO) will then send them their ballot papers which must be posted back to the DRO before polling day. Alternatively a 'pre-poll vote' can be cast in person at a divisional office or pre-poll voting centre in the lead up to polling day.
AEC mobile polling teams take portable polling places to many electors who are not able to get to a polling place. Mobile polling is carried out on or before polling day. Mobile polling teams visit electors in selected hospital and nursing homes, in remote areas and prisons.

ETA: What happens if I do not vote?
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Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty.

If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs.



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Originally posted by Cobra4J:
A+ to the mother who is fighting against this stuff- but she may be trying to hold back the ocean with a broom.

Even if she bans magazines, videos, etc- there is always the internet. If we can't ban violent porn in here then we can't stop it.

Do the contents of my BDSM "how to" books constitute violent porn as they depict activities that would be violent if they were non-consensual? I'm sorry that she lost a family member, but why punish the rest of us? It's like categorising all men as rapists just because they have a penis.

I see children (aged 8 - 12 yrs ) acting out TV and film stories when playing. The games include "I'll be the rapist/murderer and you be the victim". I doubt they've seen violent porn films, but they're already acclimatised to a level of violence and sexual violence through mainstream TV. There also seems to be an increasing blurring of fantasy and reality in the media.

The knee-jerk ban will initially be enforced over-zealously, then challenged and then found to be unworkable - which is pretty much how the Dangerous Dogs act has panned out.

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Originally posted by Andrew of Ware, England:
In fact, it could be even harder to define than that because the government's wording seems to omit the 'porn' element.

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Under new laws announced on Wednesday by Home Office minister Vernon Coaker MP, anyone caught with images "featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury", could be jailed for up to three years.
So where do you draw the line? What about one of those police video programmes where a drunk person is attacking another person?

I am a bit confused with the wording (because it doesn't state "porn") and I am curious now.
What if I have stills from uhm... "Lethal Weapon" for example on my hard drive and use them as wallpaper, does this fall under the prohibited images? I mean it is an action flick and when I would have a screen capture of Riggs shooting someone the picture would show violence that "appears life-threatening or likely to result in serious and disabling injury".
I know that it is just acted, done by people who play the violence, but they "appear" to be violence. It is a goal for many action movies to "appear" as real violence.

Otherwise this issue with the ban on porn reminds me of the school shootings and the argument that first person shooters were responsible for them.

If someone rapes someone or shoots someone it isn't because of (porn) movies or games, it is because the person had problems before the incident already.
It is like blaming bread for the incidents, because I bet most of the people ate bread somewhen before their deeds.

Just a disclaimer: I am not a fan of violent porn. Even "acted" rapes are something that shouldn't be done for entertainment purposes.
Ok, I am strange, because I watch movies where people shoot each other for entertainment, even when murder shouldn't be entertaining as well. But it might be that I feel that rapes acted in porn movies are a bit too close to reality while the shootings are exaggerated (sp?) most of the time. Or I might just have no real argument why I like action movies [Wink]

Gavida

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Originally posted by Midgard_Dragon:
Even with fines for not showing up at a polling station, I find it icky. What happens if it's impossible for you to get to the polls on that day, for whatever reason, you're fined for unfortunate circumstances? There's too many ifs in the equation for me to view fines like that as a good thing.

Sorry, I don't want to stray too far from the topic [Smile] Em explained it all well - no need for me to repeat. I always vote in advance at one of the elctoral offices, anyway. It saves having to run the gauntlet of activists pushing "how-to-vote" cards in your face on election day, and I sort of get a kick out of voting at my leisure. [Smile]

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