quote:Originally posted by Malruhn: And, may I amend my position a bit? Rape in prison may be justified (in my mind), but SOMEBODY enjoys it, and I don't think that allowing a prisoner enjoyment is a good thing.
What if a prisoner enjoys being in prison?
quote:And to the general board population: the people raising the biggest stink with additional abuse for those who may possibly deserve it are the same that couldn't understand the possible usefulness of public humiliation or blanket parties in the military to enforce rules.
Oddly enough, I can imagine you screaming for justice/vengeance if a standard criminal employed the blanket party on a civilian. Perhaps this is a reason why we also separate the military population from the civil population.
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quote:Originally posted by timbobmc: What do we do to vicious animals? We "put them down." Dog, lions, bears, tigers, coyotes, wolves, tigers, you name it, if it kills a human it gets the death penalty with NO appeal.
Maybe others have a different understanding than me, but I've never thought that we put down animals that attack humans as a form of retribution. To me, it's always a purely preventative matter, and the ones that carry the measure out often sympathize with the creatures that, after all, have no ability or expectation to make moral decisions.
In most cases with animals, the alternative method of prevetion - incarceration or isolation - simply wouldn't be practical. With humans it's not exactly practical, either, but since society places such a high value on human life we choose to incarcerate criminals rather than put them down (usually.)
For the record, I really like your point, Chloe. People talk tough, but if a judge were actually to pass down a sentence of rape, I have a feeling most people would find it reprehensible.
The measure of our disgust and disapproval for a crime does not have to be the severity with which we punish it. There are few crimes imaginable worse than the one described in the OP. It is possible to decry the horror of these crimes without resorting to hyperbole in calling for retribution.
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I'm just posting to say "Gee, thanks, Chloe. I won't be sleeping tonight."
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I think inmate on inmate violence probably varies from prison to prison. My dad and my sister both worked for the state prison system for various years. Where my dad worked there was very little reported inmate on inmate, guard on inmate, or inmate on guard violence. Where my sister worked was very different. They had a very high rate of inmate to inmate and inmate to guard violence. I know of at least one guard killed, one taken hostage, and one attempted rape of an officer, plus lots of inmate to inmate violence. Where my sister worked, the inmates were mostly fresh from overcrowded conditions at city jails and were violent offenders. No matter what the conditions are like at any prison, rapist and pedophiles tend to be the lowest rung on the ladder. Guards often feel the same way. I've often heard guards, my father included, say that most murderers and theives didn't bother them because anybody, given the right circumstances can be driven to kill or steal. The ones that really bothered them were the rapists and pedophiles because they were truly sick and couldn't be reformed.
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I don't see the relevance to the selected work, as the punishment does not appear to fit the crime, and it's far too late to gross me out with stories.
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I am against inmate rape and raping machines because I would like to think that we are better then that. If we're going to rape rapist, how are we any different?
If rape is such an acceptible punishment, why not have it for other crimes? Like that one girl gang raped because her brother slept with someone outside of his own tribe? Hell, if rape is such a justifiable act, why punish rapist at all?
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No, it is still considered a crime - and horrific. I am merely wishing horrific things upon this sorry excuse for humanity.
And we use "eye for an eye" things frequently... just look at compensatory fines to replace lost/destroyed/stolen & not recovered items for victims - AND the death penalty for murder cases.
I am a throwback to the olden days, where prisons were something to be truly feared. For lesser crimes, let's try rehabilitation - AFTER some legitimate PUNISHMENT in prison/jail... but for major crimes, or those for which rehab is much less of a possibility - I feel no remorse in looking at providing human subjects for medical experimentation (like cadavers) and research.
I like the idea that there is truly something to be feared in prison, and not just the loss of true freedom.
For a monster like discussed in the OP, I am fully supportive of legitimate torture and death - and not necessarily in that order. Do unto others, and all that. And, yes, I understand that if I were the culprit that I would be subject to the same horrific sentence.
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quote:Originally posted by Hrtofdrkns: I am against inmate rape and raping machines because I would like to think that we are better then that. If we're going to rape rapist, how are we any different?
If rape is such an acceptible punishment, why not have it for other crimes? Like that one girl gang raped because her brother slept with someone outside of his own tribe? Hell, if rape is such a justifiable act, why punish rapist at all?
For the Fry-like among us, I shall explain again.
Your example is an example of a punishment which does NOT fit the crime. My example is a case where the punishment mimics the effects of the crime as closely as possible.
Your argument, in a mirror, runs as so:
"One day's detention is an acceptable punishment, as we have no problem with assigning detention for cutting class. Therefore, one day's detention is the proper punishment for all crimes from skipping class up to multiple homicide."
It makes no sense either way.
Acts require equivalent responses. Not overkill, and not underkill.
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quote:Originally posted by Malruhn: I like the idea that there is truly something to be feared in prison, and not just the loss of true freedom.
It's quite telling that you don't believe the loss of true freedom is something to be feared.
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quote:Originally posted by Troodon: While I don't know whether that sort of thing actually happens or not, I feel that if prisoner rape is justice, then that rape should be part of the sentence. Otherwise, if the prisoner is not sentenced to be raped, society has a duty to protect him from that. In fact, since prisoners are kept in a government-run facility which they are not allowed to leave, I think the government should be held responsible if a prisoner is the victim of a crime that occured due to unsafe conditions at the prison.
Unfortunately, the current laws don't allow the system to take bastards like this out behind the courthouse and put a bullet in their brain. So, the only thing we can do is to hope that his public-tax-money-funded life-long stay in the pen is as unpleasant as possible.
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I'd imagine that it's probably safe to say that it is going to be an unpleasant experience regardless of rapes or beatings. The sentence to jail/prison IS the punishment. Period.
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Again, I don't care how pleasant or unpleasant prison is as long as they keep the bastards in there. It's not about punishing the people who do horrible things, it's about protecting other people from having horrible things done to them.
If the prospect of punishment was really a deterrent there wouldn't be so much violent crime in the first place. Violent, sadistic punishments aren't going to do a damn thing except satisfy the public bloodlust. Oh, and maybe help ensure that rapists and child molesters are careful not to leave their victims alive to testify against them.
Really, the only thing to do with these guys that's actually useful is to just lock 'em up and leave 'em locked up. Or kill 'em, but I don't like that option because you can't take back an execution if it turns out you've got the wrong guy.
Come to think of it, you can't take back a robot rape under those circumstances either.
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quote:Originally posted by aNonnyMouse Ghostwriter: Again, I don't care how pleasant or unpleasant prison is as long as they keep the bastards in there. It's not about punishing the people who do horrible things, it's about protecting other people from having horrible things done to them.
Actually, I think it's about both: punishing and protecting. Other than that, I agree with you. I have zero issues with locking up a criminal for X amount of time to both "protect society" and possibly reform the convict, depending on the crime.
I think capital punishment has no place in the penal system. I just don't like the system having that much power over another. I'm not very articulate so I'm not sure that previous sentence conveys what I'm trying to say, but ey, you get the jist. Either way, the murdered can't come back to life by executing another, and it's irreversible if it was a false arrest.
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I look at these crimes as 'what if the victim was my daughter or me' - what would I want as punishment? As a 30-something woman that was raped repeatedly by a close family member when I was young, I would want nothing less than having them castrated & left in a cell, knee deep in their own excrement for the rest of their miserable lives. I would also love them to have to endure the beatings & rapes they willfully put to someone else on a daily basis. Let them be scared for their life every time their cell door opens. They have changed the course of someone else's life and for that, their rights should be be removed completely. I am very thankful that, hopefully, this infant is too young to have the flashbacks that I have had to endure my entire life.
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FWIW, I seem to recall "an eye for an eye" being more a call for a measured proportional responce - rather than death for an eye, and death for a tooth.
There was also some guy called Jesus who responded to such with something about 'turning the other cheek'. Nice in theory, but tough in real life.
The human mind is an amazing thing - we can easily hold multiple thoughts which contradict one another. At a viceral level, having the cops sodomize this sicko with a broomhandle (something that happens from time to time) sounds like a damn good idea.
On an intelectual level, you may consider this sicko to be just that - sick. The safety of society remains tantamount, so he needs to be removed from society for the public safety - whether it be life in solitary or an institution, or euthenising him. (how's that for a euphamism )
On another level, we might consider the concept of justice in society, with punishment doled out harshly to satisfy the need for extremely horible actions to yield extremely horible effects on the perpetuator.
In another perspective, we might take a religious view, and simply keep him locked up until he can recieve his final Judgement, which is beyond our capacity to make or carry out.
The crazy thing is that we can have all sorts of conflicting perspectives, and they're all correct anyway.
Quantum mechanics is childs play compared to human thought processes.
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I'm going to jump back to the OP, and not about rape machines *frowns*.
There is one thing, no... two things that I sincerely hope and pray for that little girl...
One is that she lives and fully recovers.
And two that she's too young to remember it when she's older.
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Do we have any update on the OP, by the way?
I would love to know how the little girl is doing, and if they've caught the sick SOB that did this to her...
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quote:Originally posted by Panda_Marie: Do we have any update on the OP, by the way?
Or any evidence it happened in the first place? I had waited to read about it before commenting, but haven't seen anything and the OP seems to have abandoned the issue.
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quote:Or any evidence it happened in the first place? I had waited to read about it before commenting, but haven't seen anything and the OP seems to have abandoned the issue.
You make an excellent point. Shame on us snopesters for accepting a "my friend's husband" story without some documentation.
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quote:Originally posted by Panda_Marie: Do we have any update on the OP, by the way?
Or any evidence it happened in the first place? I had waited to read about it before commenting, but haven't seen anything and the OP seems to have abandoned the issue.
I didn't abandon the issue, the topic changed into punisment and other things rather than the origional topic.
It might be a bit before I can provide documention. Not all crimes are picked-up by the news, or reported right away, especially in cases where details of the story might be enough to identify the victem. You might be able to find something on it on-line, but I'm not about to plug "infant girl raped Children's Hospital of Pennsylvannia" into a search engine to see what pops up, but if you're not a sensitive as I am, go nuts.
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quote:Troodon OT, but I've always been disturbed by the fact that some people feel comfortable with the fact that criminals will be raped in prison.
While I don't know whether that sort of thing actually happens or not, I feel that if prisoner rape is justice, then that rape should be part of the sentence. Otherwise, if the prisoner is not sentenced to be raped, society has a duty to protect him from that. In fact, since prisoners are kept in a government-run facility which they are not allowed to leave, I think the government should be held responsible if a prisoner is the victim of a crime that occured due to unsafe conditions at the prison.
I agree with you. My first reaction to reading the OP was also along the violent retaliation kind, but then I thought that it just makes us like the rapist. By wishing he gets raped in prison, we actually condone rape under certain circumstances, and once we start down that road we'll run into a lot of grey areas which we definately don't want to get into. The society must take a clear stance, and that stance must be that rape is always wrong, regardless of circumstances.
Violence and rape can not be the answer, only the problem. There must be a better way of handling this that still allows us to remain human. If not, we're screwed.
I have a full understanding that victims and thos close to the victims want to see a severe payback, but that's not something a civilized society can condone. In fact, in a case like this, if the parents where to beat the perpetrator into a pulp, I would applaud them. However, I would not expect the authorities to do the same, as their role in this is very much different. The only stance the authorities can take is that all violence is wrong.
I would even applaud the police officer present if the perpetrator should happen to stumble down a long staircase while handcuffed, but I would be very annoyed if his employer did not treat it like a serious wrongdoing. It's a big difference.
We just have to balance our thirst for revenge with the need to behave like civilized humans. Society and the authorities must always be a force striving towards the latter. If not, we're screwed.
I also want to chime in in the praise of the people who has to take care of this mess. It's a hard job, and it takes its toll. My father was an ambulance helicopter pilot, and I know about a some of the things he has seen. Not only against children, but also women who has been beaten or raped, assault victims, victims of racist attacks, failed suicide attempts, horrible accidents and so on. I will not mention specific cases, partly because I probably mixed them up in my head, partly because it will not help anyone to make it public. As he was more or less without any specific tasks while the chopper was on the ground, he often had to handle the overall situation while the medical personell handled the injured, so he often saw another side of the shock and pain these people suffered.
Not only do they see the worst imaginable things, they also have to go into situations which may not be safe for them. There has been occasions where the situation has been so bad that they have been unable to even land until the police arrived, which, of course, is not good for an emergency patient.
It's not just another days work when you have people dying around you and you have to clean out blood and bits of skull and brains from the helicopter before you go home.
If I were to give some advice to the paramedics in the OP, it would be how I think my father handled it. Yes, you see a lot of really bad stuff, but you make it better. Maybe you can't always succeed, but all in all, you are out there and you are making a huge difference every day. For every time you don't succeed, there are a whole bunch of people who would not be alive or have a worthy life if you hadn't been there.
It's not easy being a hero, it's a heavy burden, but these people are heroes!
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quote:Originally posted by Firestorm: that's horrible!!!!
Does anyone have a link or something to the organial story?
There is no origional link, *I* am the origional link. This was told to me first hand*, through tears. You can try searching the internet for information, but in some crimes, as I explained above, information is not released to the news, either just not immediatly (this was only 5 months ago) or, in special cases, ever.
ETA* meaning first hand from Stephanie, the paramedic's wife.
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Hmmmm...I see an awful lot of discussion here about punishment of this horrendous crime. I don't see any discussion of crime prevention.
Here's my point. I think it's been firmly established that kids that are abused often grow up to become abusers. I don't think all kids who were abused grow up to abuse, but I believe that most abusers were themselves abused... (hope that makes sense.)
How about we spend a little more time and attention on the issues surrounding child abuse, and on helping children at risk (both at risk of being abused, and at risk of becoming abusers.)
It seems that any talk about punishing the monster that did this to this baby is a lot less valuable than talking about some ways of keeping it from happening to any other babies.
Yes, I realize that this society does not value the well-being of its children nearly as highly as whom a celebrity is having sex with, or an athlete who throws a ball real far.
But it just seems that the old adage that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure is especially true here. And maybe we need to pull our heads out of our asses and get our priorities straight.
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I've noticed some disgusting, bizarro stuff of this sort in the news here.
The 40 years this guy got is not nearly as appropriate as a slow painful death would be (note the permanent damage mentioned)--same with the 47 years this guy got--and whatever this guy gets.
Maybe things are different in different states, but I was noticing that if you look at the dates they were reported right when the stuff happened. Searching a local news site specifically would probably solve the porn-sites-that-might-pop-up problem, if anyone really wanted to find out if there was any info on the OP crime.
Note: As far as the slow, painful death... Would I really support torture? No, it's just the gut reaction. I really believe that aside from the protection of the rest of society from these people, the death sentence would be a favor to these people. What must it be like to live with the kind of mind that would do this kind of thing? What must it be like to live with such a strong desire to do this kind of thing that you would risk the obvious consequences to satisfy that desire? Plus I have a hard time believing that they do not know that they are purely evil for doing this (I have read that people who like to eat feces get really sick afterwards and know they are going to get sick, but the sexual excitement allows them to supress that for a short period of time). UGH.
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quote:Originally posted by Firestorm: I don't think the death pentaly is a good thing, even for people like this.
Some studies show that Castration can be effective too, a study showed that under 2.2% would re-offensed within 20 years.
Castration isn't enough if there is still a 2.2% chance of it happening again. Castration and then life in prison... and not anything considered livable conditions, mind you, would be a bit closer to what I wish would happen to them. >.<
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quote:Originally posted by Nocturnal Emissions Test: I look at these crimes as 'what if the victim was my daughter or me' - what would I want as punishment?
Why? It makes just as much sense to look at it as, "what if the criminal was my son? What would I want as punishment"?
Guilt can often have a subjective element to it (what was the victim thinking, etc) but deciding on a punishment has to be objective.
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quote:Originally posted by AliBaba: Hmmmm...I see an awful lot of discussion here about punishment of this horrendous crime. I don't see any discussion of crime prevention.
"Crime prevention" is mostly a non-topic. You can't prevent crimes, you can just make them more difficult to commit, or create stronger deterrents.
quote: Here's my point. I think it's been firmly established that kids that are abused often grow up to become abusers. I don't think all kids who were abused grow up to abuse, but I believe that most abusers were themselves abused... (hope that makes sense.)
Somewhat true. SO was an abused child, so this topic is close to both of us.
But it comes down to this... in the end, a decision is made, a line is crossed, and a person is abused. Or a decision is made, a line is NOT crossed, and no one is abused. And it is the (potential) abuser who must make that choice.
The key lies nowhere other than in that choice. The only way you can prevent such abuse is by making people choose differently. That's not easy. Some people have the strength of will to decide that NOTHING will make them become a child abuser, and some don't. Most struggle with it forever.
SO would die before she struck a child. But that doesn't mean that she never displays shades of abusive behavior (just get in an argument with her!), or the desire to hit somebody.
quote:How about we spend a little more time and attention on the issues surrounding child abuse, and on helping children at risk (both at risk of being abused, and at risk of becoming abusers.)
I don't think anybody has a handle on what makes an abuser - aside from, sometimes, being abused. It can occur in any socioeconomic background, any race, religion, nationality, gender, age, etc...
quote: It seems that any talk about punishing the monster that did this to this baby is a lot less valuable than talking about some ways of keeping it from happening to any other babies.
There really doesn't seem to be a prevention any more effective than identification and permanent removal. The only thing I find to quibble over is the means of permanent renewal. We all seem to pretty much agree that these people should be locked away forever... it's just that some of us wouldn't mind if their cells were six by three and covered with dirt.
quote: But it just seems that the old adage that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure is especially true here. And maybe we need to pull our heads out of our asses and get our priorities straight.
I'd like to hear a good "prevention" scenario. I haven't yet.
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quote:"Crime prevention" is mostly a non-topic. You can't prevent crimes, you can just make them more difficult to commit, or create stronger deterrents.
Think this may be an issue of semantics, but I'm not really sure what you mean by this. We're discussing crime prevention. Doesn't that make it a topic, by definition? That aside, is deterrence not a form of prevention?
My point is that education is the key.
I too was abused as a kid. By a mother who was abused as a kid. I don't think she wanted to be an abusive parent. Unfortunately, that's what she was taught about parenting by her parents.
For me, I chose not to become a parent until I was convinced that it's possible to break the cycle - I was that frightened that just the knowledge of abuse is not enough, you have to have tools available to you to help you not do it.
And I can relate strongly to what you said about your SO; to this day, I still struggle with rage and anger. Believe me, I've been working on this issue for a long long time and it's better than it was, but always, there's room for improvement.
I don't believe in hitting my kids, but man, I can sure be a bitch on wheels at times. Fortunately, my kids love and respect me, but far more important, they know I love and respect them. And I've picked up some invaluable tools over the years on how to deal with the anger, when it comes. And since both my kids are teenagers, trust me, come, it does.
But anyway...I heard something a long time ago that had a profound impact on me: that your parents are absolutely responsible for fucking you up. But if you stay that way, it's your own damn fault. The point being, I don't disagree with you; there is too much help out there to not avail yourself of it. If you were abused, you have to seek out help.
But what of the people who don't have the means, or the awareness, or whatever? It's not uncommon for abused children to idolize their abuser. It's also appallingly common for abused kids to end up identifying with their abusers and therefore become abusers themselves. That's what I'm talking about - if a child has been abused, we need to get in there and start educating them about abuse and it's consequences. The money is out there, it just isn't being channeled in that direction. Hell, in some inner city schools, they're lucky to score some chalk.
Again, this is my point - as a culture, our priorities are completely skewed.
We spend bazillions of dollars on a bunch of bullshit, when we could instead make our children a focus. Child Services agencies in most jurisdictions are a total joke. Kids are returned home to their abusers (or worse, lost by the system altogether) on a regular basis. Social workers are over-worked and underpaid (and in many cases, not trained at all.) Teachers? The very people we entrust with helping to educate and form our children who will, afterall, one day be running the country? Don't get me started on how little they get paid.
quote:The key lies nowhere other than in that choice. The only way you can prevent such abuse is by making people choose differently. That's not easy.
Exactly! In order to get help with a problem, you have to know there's a problem in the first place! Which is precisely why raising awareness and education is so important.
quote: I don't think anybody has a handle on what makes an abuser - aside from, sometimes, being abused. It can occur in any socioeconomic background, any race, religion, nationality, gender, age, etc...
Only part of that I'd take issue with is the "sometimes being abused" as being a cause.
I'm distrustful of statistics, because they can be manipulated to support whatever argument you're making. (And since I was a Criminology major in college, I damn near choked to death on them back then.) But I think the fact is, it isn't a case of "some" abusers coming from abusive backgrounds, but "most". Come on, kids don't come out of the womb ready to use their fists! This is learned behavior! And of course, it isn't always the parent who's the abuser. But most of the time, it is.
quote: There really doesn't seem to be a prevention any more effective than identification and permanent removal.
There's a difference between deterring crime and deterring recidivsim. While locking up the perpetrator and throwing away the key will prevent that particular criminal from abusing again, it does nothing to help their victim, nor does it do anything to prevent others from abusing. Whereas, you make damn sure you know who the victim is, get them all the help, therapy, education, whatever, that you can, and you might deter that victim from later becoming an abuser. Yeah, I said "might". But isn't that better than doing nothing?
First of Two, while I may disagree with some of what you say, I certainly respect your opinion. At least you're thinking about it. I think a lot of people just want to put their hands over their ears and scream "la la la la la" when it comes to the topic of child abuse. Hell, there are topics on this board I just won't read because they're dealing with yet another child abused or murdered at the hand of their parents. And it's all but unbearable to me.
But damn, we need to do something. I think we can both agree on that. Even if all we do is make a tiny dent in the problem, that's something, isn't it?
Ali "am I ranting again?" Baba
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I think prison is too good for him. I think he should be locked in a room with his penis nailed to a pole. Give him a dull knife and set the room on fire!!!
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