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llamatl
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I was forwarded an email with a bunch of attached photos of a Muslim "protest" in london. The signs the protesters are carrying are just a little too unbelievable. It looks like they are all in the same handwriting. Is there any truth to these photos?

The email reads:

Below I have enclosed pictures of Moslems who marched throughout the streets of London during their recent Religion of Peace Demonstration.

These pictures have never been shown in any of our American newspapers or television news programs because we should never appear to offend anyone!

Why would anyone think that we should be at war with such nice, peaceful Moslems?!


Are these images real?

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Squoval
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quote:
Originally posted by llamatl:
The email reads:

(Snip)

These pictures have never been shown in any of our American newspapers or television news programs because we should never appear to offend anyone!

(Um, is this person aware that the media covered the Middle East Protests against the cartoons?)
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Why would anyone think that we should be at war with such nice, peaceful Moslems?!

(I thought we weren't at war with Muslims, but with Terror. Also, look here and here for evidence that not every Muslim loves terrorism.)

My comments aren't directed at you, llamatl, but at the person who wrote the email.

Also, isn't "Moslem" a derogatory spelling of "Muslim"?

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Lizz24
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No, this was a real march. The BBC reported it and you can see the same kind of pictures in the photo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4682262.stm

I would point out that it was a pretty small march (there was a larger, peaceful march against the cartoons a week later I believe; see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4726472.stm ).

And for the person who sent you this email?

1) The US is not "at war" with these people - they are British;
2) I didn't realise it was actually a war against Muslims! Here I was thinking it was a war against terror (or something).

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BlueStar
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The photos are real, although, like you say, they're all in the same handwriting and were written by the same small group of individuals. They weren't in a "Religion of Peace" march, it was a rally related to the Danish cartoons of the prophet muhammed if I remember correctly.

As for them not being shown in the media, I've seen them in serveral outlets, including American and international one. That small group within the cartoon protest certainly got more media coverage than any of these rallies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/4686893.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4704716.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4686853.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/4708113.stm

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Both "Moslem" and "Muslim" are transliterations. I don't *think* one is considered any more derogatory than the other. Unless you mean in the same way that people who say "Eye-raq" generally have something hostile to say about it.

ETA: Well, what do you know. Apparently "Muslim" is now considered more pc, as "Moslem" seems closer to the word for "oppressor." Still don't think "Moslem" is derogatory, though, unless its specifically meant that way. Still, *hastily changes "Moslem" to "Muslim" in current article*.

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Silas Sparkhammer
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I sometimes wonder if changes in transliteration styles are actual advances -- like scientific progress -- or mere changes in fashion -- like hemlines going up and down.

My *sense* is that we're actually making real progress in working out conventions of transliteration that are closer and closer to the actual native-language pronunciation. Certainly "Beijing" is closer than "Peking," which is a bit closer than "Peiping."

But some changes are merely stylistic or political: "Hindoo" to "Hindu," for instance. The two sound exactly the same, but the latter has a bit more "dignity" in English; it doesn't evoke the "boo-hoo, poo, doo, goo" connotations that the former does.

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llamatl
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Thanks for the quick answer(s). Bill D, I found the email to be ridiculous and really offensive, and agree with your sentiments.
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Jason Threadslayer
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Moslem is the transliteration of the Turkish or Persian word for Muslim and Musselman is the transliteration of the various Indian words for Muslim (Kashmiri -- Misarman). And what Chloe said about Moslem sometimes being pronounced like mawslem.

The earliest Muslims with whom Europeans had dealings were Turks, so naturally, their word for Muslims entered European languages first.

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Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:
Certainly "Beijing" is closer than "Peking," which is a bit closer than "Peiping."

Beijing and Peking are pronounced the same. The reason Wade-Giles was abandoned was because the transliterations made sense for linguists but not for the general population, who pronounced the letters the way they would be pronounced in their native tongue. In Wade-Giles, "pe" is pronounced "bay" and "king" is pronounced "jing". The way most Westerners pronounced Peking was if it had been written P'ek'ing.

"Tao" shows the same issue -- it's meant to be pronounced "dao". To get the sound "tao", one would write T'ao.

Peip'ing is an historical name for Beijing.

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Sofyan
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i am an 18 yr old muslim from singapore, and i am against terrorism. However I am afraid of going to western countries for fear of being prejudiced.
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Sofyan, there are millions of muslims living in western countries. Not to say that prejudice is non-existent but I think you'll find very few people are offensive or rude. (And, frankly, almost anyone can be the victim of prejudice.) I hope you do get a chance to go to western countries and I hope your experience is good. I think for the majority of muslims who travel it is a good experience. (I'm not muslim so I do not speak from personal experience. But I have met many in my travels.)
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I agree with Ganzfeld. The media attention is skewing things both ways, the Moslem-haters are about as significant in the west as the terrorists are among the Moslems. Both are a very tiny minority that get way too much attention.

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I don't have anything constructive to add, but look at the last pic. I wish that the second sign was completely visible. I really want to know what the Fantastic Four are planning to do to the poor Europeans. [Razz]

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James D
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It's not exactly hard to find photos of similarly extremist, hate filled, so called 'christians' such as fred phelps and his ilk.

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It's not exactly hard to find photos of similarly extremist, hate filled, so called 'christians' such as fred phelps and his ilk.

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dlloyd
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quote:
Originally posted by JoFo:
I don't have anything constructive to add, but look at the last pic. I wish that the second sign was completely visible. I really want to know what the Fantastic Four are planning to do to the poor Europeans. [Razz]

It's a reference to the July 7th bombers, there being four of them.
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Ganzfeld
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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
Peip'ing is an historical name for Beijing.

True. But the name has changed back and forth between Beijing and Beiping so many times that they might as well paint each name on either side of the signs and turn them around after every revolution. (No pun intended.)
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Wasn't there also a protester dressed as a suicide bomber at one of these protests in London?
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Yes - and he's now (back) in prison.

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JoFo
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quote:
Originally posted by dlloyd:
quote:
Originally posted by JoFo:
I don't have anything constructive to add, but look at the last pic. I wish that the second sign was completely visible. I really want to know what the Fantastic Four are planning to do to the poor Europeans. [Razz]

It's a reference to the July 7th bombers, there being four of them.
Ah. I had never heard of the bombers being refered to as the FF before now. You learn something new every day.

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