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Julie0917
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This is so cool! Is it real and is it possible?

ETA: Some ads may be NFBSK/NSFW. But the video is strictly g rated.

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Interesting. I have never seen that happen before!! It would work with liquid nitrogen! Dunno about water though.

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It looks real enough. If it gets really cold, I would think it could be possible. But it wouldn't be quite as easy as the comment suggests. Simply throwing water into the air from an open container wouldn't cause the water to disperse nearly as much as it did in the video. There was probably something like a screen over the container to make the water break up into tiny particles. If it hadn't broken up so small, then it probably wouldn't have frozen before it hit the ground.

Also, you might want to point out that some of the ads in that link are NFBSK.

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Jack London said that at -50 degrees spit will freeze before it hits the ground. I believe if it's cold enough this is possible.

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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:

Also, you might want to point out that some of the ads in that link are NFBSK.

Sorry... will do!
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I come from Alaska, and Jack London was right... if it's cold enough (-50 Fahrenheit or colder sounds about right), spit will freeze before it hits the ground. However, it seems dubious that you could do it with a whole glass of water... I'd buy it if, as GenYus said, there was a screen over the container, and it was Fairbanks (the coldest city in Alaska, if you're not counting little villages), and it was February.

So, long story short, it's not entirely unbelievable, but it would have to be filmed under pretty specific conditions.

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Possible, but I'm guessing this particular video is not what it claims to be. The guy is not dressed for sub-zero weather.

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what about pee? Will pee freeze before it hits the ground?

I've often heard of people having to "detach" themselves from the ground after a nice long piss in the snow.

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quote:
Originally posted by qualli:
what about pee? Will pee freeze before it hits the ground?

I've often heard of people having to "detach" themselves from the ground after a nice long piss in the snow.

If that were the case then they would almost certainly have frostbite of the penis since it would require the urine to be below freezing at least at the tip.

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Isn't that how a snow machine works? I don't see any problems with it.

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I seriously doubt pee will freeze. For one thing it is quite warm (around 30°C at least) when it leaves the body. For another thing, it is full of impurities like salt and urea. Impurities in water typically make the freezing point much lower than pure water.

ETA: All the snow machines that I've seen shave a block of ice to produce "snow".

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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
I seriously doubt pee will freeze. For one thing it is quite warm (around 30°C at least) when it leaves the body. For another thing, it is full of impurities like salt and urea. Impurities in water typically make the freezing point much lower than pure water.

ETA: All the snow machines that I've seen shave a block of ice to produce "snow".

I can tell you are from down south. [Wink]

Sky areas use machines to make 'artificial' snow. It involved large volumes of water and just the right airation. I can assure you shaving blocks of ice is not involved.

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This is possible, I remember seeing something very similar to this on an early morning news programme - I think it was last year they had a man in Times Square, when the temperature was so cold and he threw water in the air and the same thing happened.
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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
I seriously doubt pee will freeze. For one thing it is quite warm (around 30°C at least) when it leaves the body. For another thing, it is full of impurities like salt and urea. Impurities in water typically make the freezing point much lower than pure water.

ETA: All the snow machines that I've seen shave a block of ice to produce "snow".

I can tell you are from down south. [Wink]

Sky areas use machines to make 'artificial' snow. It involved large volumes of water and just the right airation. I can assure you shaving blocks of ice is not involved.

All the ice machines I've seen were for making piles of snow for kids to play in. The shaving ice is probably cheaper and easier, especially when the temperature is above freezing. The method you describe is probably more expensive but makes something that is much closer to real snow that is better to sky on.

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I'd bet this is not water but liquid nitrogen or something of that variety that actually boiled in flight. It also seems that there is some kind of vapour going from the glass as the guy holds it. The whole thing just boiled in the air with separate droplets going down leaving steamy traces.

The second thing is that the whole thing was definitely shot in Ukraine (see the flags in the background) and it didn't go below -40 centigrade... well... in the last 20 years at the very least. -20 is actually quite rare, a couple of days a year at worst.

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Yes, this is deffinately real, I live in Minnesota and have done this when the temperature was below -20 Farenheit. we even took pictures and it looked very similar. I simply brought water to a boil, opened my sliding glass door and swung the pot in the air the same way they did in this video, and achieved exactly the same results.
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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
...All the ice machines I've seen were for making piles of snow for kids to play in. The shaving ice is probably cheaper and easier, especially when the temperature is above freezing. The method you describe is probably more expensive but makes something that is much closer to real snow that is better to sky on.

Freezing, transporting and then shaving and distributing blocks of ice hardly sound cheap or easy. Especially when compared to using a hose to pump water through a nozel so that it freezes in the outside air.

I would guess they use the shaved ice when less snow is needed and naturally cold air is not available.

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http://wgntv.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/archives/002460.html
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quote:
Originally posted by Johnnie240:
Yes, this is deffinately real, I live in Minnesota and have done this when the temperature was below -20 Farenheit. we even took pictures and it looked very similar. I simply brought water to a boil, opened my sliding glass door and swung the pot in the air the same way they did in this video, and achieved exactly the same results.

Ditto. They do it on the news every time it his -20 or so (Farenheit). Last year, a bunch of us at work tried it ourselves. It looks just like that video.

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Not doubting water can freeze in mid air, but couldnt the guy have scooped up some snow and flung it in the air? i see no proof it's water..
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quote:
Originally posted by Rehcsif:
quote:
Originally posted by Johnnie240:
Yes, this is deffinately real, I live in Minnesota and have done this when the temperature was below -20 Farenheit. we even took pictures and it looked very similar. I simply brought water to a boil, opened my sliding glass door and swung the pot in the air the same way they did in this video, and achieved exactly the same results.

Ditto. They do it on the news every time it his -20 or so (Farenheit). Last year, a bunch of us at work tried it ourselves. It looks just like that video.

-Tim

Yep, it's about the only fun thing to do outside once it gets that cold.

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quote:
Originally posted by piffpuffpickle:
This is possible, I remember seeing something very similar to this on an early morning news programme - I think it was last year they had a man in Times Square, when the temperature was so cold and he threw water in the air and the same thing happened.

I saw that too on GMTV. [Smile] It was the first thing I thought of when I saw th ethread title.
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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
...All the ice machines I've seen were for making piles of snow for kids to play in. The shaving ice is probably cheaper and easier, especially when the temperature is above freezing. The method you describe is probably more expensive but makes something that is much closer to real snow that is better to sky on.

Freezing, transporting and then shaving and distributing blocks of ice hardly sound cheap or easy. Especially when compared to using a hose to pump water through a nozel so that it freezes in the outside air.

I would guess they use the shaved ice when less snow is needed and naturally cold air is not available.

The key phrase is "freezes in the outside air". If the temperature is above freezing (like 99.9% of the time in Phoenix) then I think the shaving of ice would be the cheaper method.

For what it is worth, I just read a story about making snow for our ski slopes up north. It appears they use your method.

So I guess the dividing line is the outside temperature. Below freezing = your method. Above freezing = my method.

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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
So I guess the dividing line is the outside temperature. Below freezing = your method. Above freezing = my method.

So the comment "I can tell you're from down south" still stands... [lol]

Since it's counterintuitive to have snow (for any length of time) when it's not freezing, the 'real' snowmaking method is of course the one involving pumped water with areation. The shaved ice is more of a gimmick to give hotter climates a taste of snow for an hour or so...

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Here's an on-site link , with both south and water [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by qualli:
what about pee? Will pee freeze before it hits the ground?

I've often heard of people having to "detach" themselves from the ground after a nice long piss in the snow.

Richard E. Byrd wrote a fascinating book, Alone, about his experiences manning an advance weather base in Antarctica back in the thirties. He mentions his privy and also mentions the construction crew using it before they headed back to Little America. The urine didn't freeze in mid-air, but the intense cold meant that bodily wastes did quickly freeze once they hit--no lingering odor, everything neatly bonded to the frozen pit into which it fell.

He also says that a couple of times it was so cold (seventy below zero, Fahrenheit) that he could hear the moisture in his breath freezing, sounding like far-off fireworks.

As to peeing and getting stuck to the ground, probably wouldn't happen. The Mythbusters guys checked out the story of a homeless man's being electrocuted while urinating on a third rail in a subway. Doesn't work, because as high-speed photography revealed, the stream actually is a barrage of independent drops, hard though that is to believe. So I imagine if it was cold enough to freeze urine, you'd wind up with a lot of tiny little yellow marbles rolling around on the frozen tundra.

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There's a local legend about a fire at a hotel on New Years Day 1918 - "the weather was so cold that water from the firefighting equipment froze before it could reach the fire."

pretty cool pic

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnnie240:
Yes, this is deffinately real, I live in Minnesota and have done this when the temperature was below -20 Farenheit. we even took pictures and it looked very similar. I simply brought water to a boil, opened my sliding glass door and swung the pot in the air the same way they did in this video, and achieved exactly the same results.

I've done it at -45, but I don't remember the cloud being so big. Maybe wind helped spread it out.

My attempt was a few years ago. I had a small saucepan of water boiling water on the stove, took it out the back door and flung it into the air. Most of the water actually evaporated into ice fog and just a little bit turned into snow.

It's about -40 today, so I suppose I could try it again in the name of science.

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Tried it last night. It's actually kind of fun. It was pretty much as I remembered. I didn't get as big a cloud as in the video and only a small bit of snow fell - most of the water turned to fog.

We're having a hell of a cold snap. -45 today.

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We won't be trying it in MN anytime soon. It was 46 today-- the usual average high for late March...

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It could always have been water fog. Throw it in the air and even though the water splashes there's a big dense fog.

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I've seen it done before w/coffee. When we were living in Duluth, MN a friend of mine threw the last dregs of cold coffee straight up, and it came back down as ice.

Not buyin' the frozen pee though.. nope. Not possible. [Wink]

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The water could be supercooled. If it's cooled carefully, with no disturbances, it can be below freezing and remain liquid. Once agitated, it will freeze quickly.

Same phenomenon that you see with supercooled (is this the correct term?) rain. The rain drops are below zero, but not frozen, but as soon as they hit the ground they freeze and become a traffic hazard.

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