1. What did they expect the choir was going to be singing at a Holiday show? It was LA, so you can't even sing a generic song about snow, since they don't get snow.
2. What criteria did the city official use to determine that Cohen would be offended? Her name?
3. How the heck can one be half Jewish and half Christian???
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Were they told to stop signing the Christmas carols to avoid offending deaf Jewish people?
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quote:Originally posted by BeachLife: 3. How the heck can one be half Jewish and half Christian???
According to most Jewish traditions, you can't even be half Jew and half Gentile. This is the sort of situation for which the term "interfaith family" was created, and I can't imagine why the writer chose not to use it.
And to nitpick, if you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, then you don't believe that he is "Jesus Christ" at all. "Christ" is a title, not a name.
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quote:Originally posted by BeachLife: I find this interesting for three reasons:
1. What did they expect the choir was going to be singing at a Holiday show? It was LA, so you can't even sing a generic song about snow, since they don't get snow.
According to local news sources (wish I could find a cite, I'll keep looking), the choir was asked to specifically perform Christmas carols as patrons of the ice-rink were complaining about the lack of carols heard.
quote:2. What criteria did the city official use to determine that Cohen would be offended? Her name?
Good question. Even more interesting is why she decided without talking to a supervisor first to stop the singing (cite). Especially if the reports are to be believed that she contracted the singers and that they were hired to sing carols.
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If a car wants to sing, what right does a high school choir have to stop it?
Sorry.
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Not that I am a member of either faith but wouldn't Christ be regarded as half Jewish and half Christian? His parents were Jewish and presumably he had a Bris and a Bar Mitzvah.
Just a thought.
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I'm not sure if Jesus could be counted as one of his own followers. Kind of interesting now I think about it.
And early Christians were largely Jewish. Fully both. I'm not sure how you can have "half" a faith. (Although, if you add "culturally Jewish" or "racially Jewish" to the equation it can be even more confusing. My best friend in high school dated a guy who described himself as a "neo-atheist Jew.")
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Isn't a Christian someone that has accepted that Jesus took the Christian's sins upon Himself and died on the cross so that the Christian's sins would be forgiven and they would be allowed to go to heaven? If so, then Jesus can't be Christian as he can't have died to let himself into heaven.
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quote:Originally posted by Lainie: And to nitpick, if you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, then you don't believe that he is "Jesus Christ" at all. "Christ" is a title, not a name.
technically, yes, but the articulated titular form of the word, ho christos, began to have its article dropped and be used more generally as a name, mostly by Hellenistic Christians unfamiliar with the term's status as a title, even before the new testament was completely written, Cf. 1 Cor 15ff.
cal-but God's last name still isn't dammit-lee
(hey, in over 3000 posts that's my first internym. How'd I do?)
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quote:Originally posted by callee: cal-but God's last name still isn't dammit-lee
(hey, in over 3000 posts that's my first internym. How'd I do?)
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darn! well, serves me right for trying something new.
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This is a pet peeve of mine which I will try to keep from overshadowing the OP, however a religion is a belief system you ascribe to, while many people (pet peeve part...) tend to adopt their parents beliefs, you do not have to, and what your parents are is irrelevant to what you are. I'm an atheist, that my parents were Catholic and Protestant (weird right?) is irrelevant, if I were Catholic or Protestant it would be equally irrelevant (aside from a potential source for my decision on a faith).
That said, at least with regards to Judaism and Christianity, you cannot be half and half, one belies Christ was the son of God one does not.
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quote:Originally posted by BeachLife: 1. What did they expect the choir was going to be singing at a Holiday show? It was LA, so you can't even sing a generic song about snow, since they don't get snow.
My daughter is in her elementary school choir. At their concert last night, they sung tunes such as "Jingle Bells," "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," "Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer," "Holly Jolly Christmas," and other non-Christian Christmas songs. There are quite a few, you know.
quote:Originally posted by Lainie: "Christ" is a title, not a name.
So I shouldn't use "Mr. Christ" on second reference?
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Damn!! I'm a full Hindu and no official has stopped carolers on my behalf. I'm miffed now.
Oh wait, I forgot. I'm not a celebrity.
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This is a pet peeve of mine which I will try to keep from overshadowing the OP, however a religion is a belief system you ascribe to,
But being Jewish is also a culture, and to many people, an ethnicity.
quote:while many people (pet peeve part...) tend to adopt their parents beliefs, you do not have to, and what your parents are is irrelevant to what you are.
I disagree. I no longer practice a religion, but ask me what I am and I'll still say Catholic. I was reared in an Irish Catholic home, and to me, it's as much a culture as a religion.
quote: That said, at least with regards to Judaism and Christianity, you cannot be half and half, one belies Christ was the son of God one does not.
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quote:But being Jewish is also a culture, and to many people, an ethnicity.
I believe there are cultural aspects to all religions, however "being" of that religion generally requires you to ascribe to some belief oftentimes at odds with other religions.
quote:I disagree. I no longer practice a religion, but ask me what I am and I'll still say Catholic. I was reared in an Irish Catholic home, and to me, it's as much a culture as a religion.
Well if you believe the central tenants of the Catholic faith then that makes sense, whether your practice or not, if you do not then I would be curious as to why you identify with a religion you do not believe in but it is your choice, dosn't bother me one way or the other. As for the culture of it, thats fine too but as above I believe that while being raised or being around certain religions can influence your culture to truly "be" of that religion you must believe in it, otherwise whats the point?
quote:Tell that to Jews for Jesus.
I will look at their site, but I don't understand how you could believe in Jesus as the son of God (the central tenant of Christianity) and believe that the Messiah has not yet arrived (a central tenant of Judaism as I understand it).
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
quote:But being Jewish is also a culture, and to many people, an ethnicity.
I believe there are cultural aspects to all religions, however "being" of that religion generally requires you to ascribe to some belief oftentimes at odds with other religions.
quote:I disagree. I no longer practice a religion, but ask me what I am and I'll still say Catholic. I was reared in an Irish Catholic home, and to me, it's as much a culture as a religion.
Well if you believe the central tenants of the Catholic faith then that makes sense, whether your practice or not, if you do not then I would be curious as to why you identify with a religion you do not believe in but it is your choice, dosn't bother me one way or the other. As for the culture of it, thats fine too but as above I believe that while being raised or being around certain religions can influence your culture to truly "be" of that religion you must believe in it, otherwise whats the point?
The point is that the faith and the culture have the same name. So a person can be culturally Catholic, enjoy participating in the rituals and still think it is just a nice myth but not something to base their life on.
quote:Tell that to Jews for Jesus.
I will look at their site, but I don't understand how you could believe in Jesus as the son of God (the central tenant of Christianity) and believe that the Messiah has not yet arrived (a central tenant of Judaism as I understand it). [/QUOTE]
Messianic Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah but still hold themselves to the laws of the Torah. And usually they don't celebrate the "new" holidays of Easter and Christmas. FWIW most mainstream Jewish religious groups do not consider Messianic Jews to be religiously Jewish.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: I will look at their site, but I don't understand how you could believe in Jesus as the son of God (the central tenant of Christianity) and believe that the Messiah has not yet arrived (a central tenant of Judaism as I understand it).
Easy. I mean, remember, the first christians were jews, and when they began believing in Jesus as the christ they, in their minds, did not stop being jews and suddenly start being christians. in fact, at that time, there really was no christianity for them to become apart of. it was just one sect among many within judaism that believed it had found the messiah. The fact that I happen to believe that they were correct does not change the historical fact that other jewish sects thought they had also found the messiah in different people, and that other jewish sects thought they were still waiting for the messiah, or that a whole bunch of other jewish sub groups had different ideas about what the messiah should/would be, and further that some had no messianic expectation whatsoever. messianism was a popular belief among jews of that era, but it took many forms, and I would be hesitant to say that it was a "core" belief. Jews were jews for centuries before messianic belief developed, and they've been jews for centuries since, and many modern jews also do not have a messianic expectation.
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