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Economic Left/Right: -6.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18
Only surprise here is that I didn't score nearly as far on those scales as others here.
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Economic Left/Right: -0.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
Wow. How boring.
Although it is interesting that while I'm closest to Gerhard Schroeder, he is--according to the scale--my polar opposite.
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%. Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%.
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Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
I'm almost on par with the Dalai Lama! That is something I am very happy to hear
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Hey there again, collegefreshman! Had to take time off to sleep and live my life. You asked, am I trying to convert others to libertarianism? YES. Absolutely. That is one of the main reasons I go on forums, blogs, and message boards. So far it's worked well. This forum isn't the most fertile field (but I've only been here for a few days), but after all the flack I took, on the "Christianity and wealth" topic, there was a backlash, and I got some of private messages in my support, and some good contacts with people who are almost there already. You probably helped me. Thanks! I don't mean to be a smart-ass; well, in a friendly way, but not a "snarky" way, as some say in this forum.
Also, thanks for reprinting my posting here, with it's link to the Nolan graph, twice! As you're just starting college, you might want to put applesauce or peanut butter on your waffle, instead of syrup or butter; it's healthier. You need your strength! Best wishes to you!
AnaNg asks, being Libertarian herself, aren't such tests libertarian propaganda? Good point, and a good idea, but as far as I know, only the Nolan graph is a libertarian recruiting tool, the others aren't connected with the movement or the party. The one at Cupid.com is probably for dating compatibility! Whatever helps the cause, right?
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Why can't you just leave people alone then? Not everyone's willing to be a liberatarianism, kay? Respect others political views, all right? I'm quite happy being a democrat.
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collegefreshman - Why can't I - or libertarians collectively - leave everyone alone? When others leave me alone, and stop taking my money and telling me how to live my life, perhaps I will. A better question would be: Why can't Demopublicans and Republicrats, liberals and conservatives, moderates and progressives, leave everyone alone? Meanwhile I will continue to reach out and try to find other like-minded individuals to bring into the fold. What is the point of having important values if you don't try to convert others to the cause? Have you ever heard of missionaries? It's part of their religion to go out and save others; in fact, they're damned if they don't try. If you're not interested, don't listen to their messages. But allow others the freedom of speech and of belief that you expect to have. Maybe you haven't got to that unit in your poli sci 1 class yet.
It's supposed to be a free country. Internet blogs, forums and message boards are a great tool for freedom of speech. Maybe you are struggling with authoritarian tendencies, but I lean more anarchistic, as do many baby-boomers. I do what I can to promote liberty. I'm not going to stop because you don't approve. I wouldn't even stop if it were illegal. Perhaps you only believe in freedom of speech for those who agree with you - kind of like Hitler and Stalin did? Apparently, like the Bush regime, you want dissenters like me to stay secluded in a far-off "free speech zone?"
I have no ill will toward you; I'm sorry you aren't mature enough to be civil, and to respect the rights of others. I think I've been quite pleasant, especially when most of the negativity hurled my way has been completely unfounded. I said nice things to you in my last posting, and even made a little witticism about your "waffle."
If it offends you, don't become a libertarian, or don't even read my postings. Just like if you don't like South Park, don't watch it, or if you don't Wal-Mart, don't shop there.
I used to be a liberal when I was your age, but found enlightenment. I still have the core values (except for using the force of government to steal other people's money to fund my wish list of allegedly beneficial social programs), but have expanded my notion of liberty to beyond the very limited amount that liberals allow. Would you feel different about the state if you had to register for the draft, or pay taxes? I choose liberty - and civility. I hope you will, too, someday, when you're not a teenager anymore.
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Surfcitydog, being condescending is hardly being civil.
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I apologize for being uncivil, but it still seems to me as if your trying to force your views onto others. You definitely have a right to be a liberatarian, but try to understand not everyone wants to be a liberatarian. Also, I disagree on taxes: without them there'd be no education for children or medical care, etc.
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Still waffling, I see, and another disciple of the great AnglRdr...
You couldn't come up with an answer on your own?
I'm neither uncivil nor condescending when I have to remind someone that I have the right to free speech, even when my opinions differ from yours.
How about we both take your advice and leave each other alone? But I'm not about to stop preaching liberty, so you'll have to ignore my postings.
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I am pretty good. But I don't have disciples.
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We're crossing paths, writing to each other and missing the responses. Thank you for the apology, "college," and please accept mine, if you think I was uncivil, and I WAS being condescending; sorry, it's as close to being nasty as I get, for even as an evil uncaring selfish libertarian, I try to be a Christian and decent person in general.
I do need to point out that I'm not trying to force my opinions on anyone; I'm trying to stop others from forcing their values on me, and their use of the state to do it. It's the state-collectivists of both major parties who have the power, not me or my compatriots.
I hope school goes well for you. It's very difficult, in many ways. After studying American history and poli sci for the first couple of years, I found anthropology, and loved it. After all these years, I'm so glad I was able to major in anthro. It's been useful - but not profitable - in teaching and in other endeavors, but most of all, I just dig it (archaeology pun intended!).
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That's basically true, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. When practiced widely, it tends to benefit all; that's Western Classical Liberalism - both the constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives and executives, and laissez-faire economics. Who better to know and see to your own needs than yourself?
It's not a matter of not caring about others, but of thinking that they are best served by private entities such as business, charity, and voluntary associations, rather than state-sponsored ones. Because my employer wants to make a living, and is good at it, he or she provides jobs for others. Not out of the goodness of his heart, but to serve himself. Yet if he provides goods or services that the consumers want, he is able to not only profit for himself, but hire other folks. And excessive government and taxes hurts him and therefore his employees. But now I'm off-topic, and you weren't interested anyway...goodnight, and best wishes to you! We'll possibly talk later.
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quote:Originally posted by surfcitydogdad: You asked, am I trying to convert others to libertarianism? YES. Absolutely.
Isn't that kind of the point of political discussion? I will debate even with those who completely disagree with me, because there could be someone out there without a formed political opinion and I would like them to hear my view too. They may agree with it. Good.
quote:collegefreshman: No offense, but in my view and as others have expressed, liberatarianism seems somewhat self-centered.
Sure is. Humans are naturally greedy. Rather than spending time and resources trying to counteract natural greed (as more socialist political models do), it is better to explot that greed. A company wants to make more money to profit its shareholders. In doing so they provide jobs for staff and a service to the public. The reason that big companies like Tesco or Wal Mart are successful is because people want to shop there. The greed of shareholders for greater profits and of the public for cheap goods leads to this natural balance.
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Arch; thanks, mate. As long as we have elections, you need to try to find people who might want to vote for your candidate or cause. Or, if no elections, then to support your revolution.
I've been a missionary, a salesman, and a teacher, so I suppose I like to chat with folks, and often hope to persuade them to a cause. Nothing wrong with that, or to make friends and allies, or learn a thing or two. Sometimes we might make enemies, too, but I hope that's not often the case.
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quote:Originally posted by surfcitydogdad: You asked, am I trying to convert others to libertarianism? YES. Absolutely.
Isn't that kind of the point of political discussion? I will debate even with those who completely disagree with me, because there could be someone out there without a formed political opinion and I would like them to hear my view too. They may agree with it. Good.
quote:collegefreshman: No offense, but in my view and as others have expressed, liberatarianism seems somewhat self-centered.
Sure is. Humans are naturally greedy. Rather than spending time and resources trying to counteract natural greed (as more socialist political models do), it is better to explot that greed. A company wants to make more money to profit its shareholders. In doing so they provide jobs for staff and a service to the public. The reason that big companies like Tesco or Wal Mart are successful is because people want to shop there. The greed of shareholders for greater profits and of the public for cheap goods leads to this natural balance.
Maybe, but what about the low wages Walmart gives illegal immigrants? Shouldn't they be taken care of as well?
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Economic Left/Right: -6.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
As my granddad used to say, "We're all pedestrians in this house..."
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quote:Maybe, but what about the low wages Walmart gives illegal immigrants? Shouldn't they be taken care of as well?
Long answer: I think there should be more chance for immigrants who want to work jobs in the UK or the US etc. to do so legally. They contribute more to our economy by paying taxes than they take out (assuming they work of course). Wal-Mart shouldn't have to pay illegally low wages to illegal workers. This should be cracked down upon.
However, with big business having big money to spend on political contributions, the greatest effect that would happen to Wal-Mart would be a boycott from immigrants as we saw earlier in the year. Immigrants make a big bloc. They would have greater power to change Wal-Mart policy if they voted with their dollar than with their ballot slip.
Short answer: Yes, something should be done about companies who employ illegals. It should be a combination of government legislation and consumer pressure.
(Do big corporations really employ that many illegal immigrants? Every company I've worked for pays wages by bank transfer and insist on proof of residence in the UK before employment, two things which would surely be impossible for most illegals to get?)
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quote:Originally posted by surfcitydogdad: Still waffling, I see
Here's the thing about waffles: they eventually get spotted and deleted, leaving those who comment on them looking rather foolish. [/hijack]
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How do "waffles" get removed? By admin? Who at Snopes has time to review everything? Or is there a way the sender can delete it?
Thanks, if anyone knows. I'm still trying to figure out a few things to help use the forum.
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Waffle gnomes, surfcity. The waffle gnomes take care of everything.
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Only Barbara, snopes, or one of the minions can delete waffles.
quote:Who at Snopes has time to review everything?
We work hard.
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quote:Originally posted by AnglRdr: Waffle gnomes, surfcity. The waffle gnomes take care of everything.
Step 1: Collect waffles.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!
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quote:Originally posted by surfcitydogdad: Or is there a way the sender can delete it?
You could hit the "report post" button if you wanted an admin to know about it.
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quote:Originally posted by surfcitydogdad: Or is there a way the sender can delete it?
You could hit the "report post" button if you wanted an admin to know about it.
I'm going to say that's probably not necessary. If people just edit the posts to make them blank*, double posts really don't cause any trouble. Double posts are deleted when they're noticed as a matter of routine housekeeping, but if they don't get deleted right away it's not a big deal. Unless it's something big, like a string of 12 multiple posts, I don't think it's really necessary to drop moderator alerts about them. If everyone started reporting every double post, our inboxes - snopes, Barbara, Four Kitties, and myself - would fill up quickly, and a waffle doesn't really warrant summoning the cavalry like that.
That said, people have sent me PMs or emails directly asking me to take care of waffles for them and that's fine with me. I get much less email than the other three since they handle the email to the site, so it's not really a concern for me to get some about double posts.
*I've spoken before about how I hate the tradition of "waffles" because of the alternate meaning of the term "waffle" causing confusion. It has been understandably mistaken to mean "I've changed my mind on what I wrote so I'm deleting it" and deleting posts like that later is not kosher around here. Blanked posts are easiest to spot for deletion (I really hate it when people do a "Double stack of Belgian waffles with whipped cream and strawberries" post), people are less likely to comment (as FourKitties says, there's no point in commenting on other people's waffles when they're just going to get deleted) and, most importantly, they don't carry the double meaning that "waffles" does.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenn: If everyone started reporting every double post, our inboxes - snopes, Barbara, Four Kitties, and myself - would fill up quickly, and a waffle doesn't really warrant summoning the cavalry like that.
Yes, please. Or rather, no thank you! I think we do a pretty good job of clearing up waffles as it is, and goodness knows I don't need any more e-mail!
I'd say use the Report Post button like you do 911 -- better safe than sorry when you spot something that isn't right, but not for routine stuff.
Do what Jenn suggests: blank the post(s) and leave it(them) alone. It(they) will get cleaned up eventually.
Four Kitties
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quote:Originally posted by Four Kitties: Do what Jenn suggests: blank the post(s) and leave it(them) alone.
I think I forgot to address the "leave them alone" part. Agreed, please don't reply just to comment on double posts! When we come around to clean up the double posts, we have to take the time to clean up any "Haha! Look at the waffles!" posts. I once had to delete something like 14 posts in a row because someone had multi-posted and a bunch of people jumped in to make what I'm sure they thought were funny comments. If you've experienced how slow the board can get, try deleting a string of multiple posts while a bunch of people are posting to laugh at them. If you post just to comment on other people's waffles, you are creating more work for us.
And if you include comments on 'waffles' in a post with other content (which will not be deleted), you just look silly once we've tossed the waffles in the bin. If you see a double or multiple post, assume it will be removed and do not do anything that will a) create more work or b) not hold up without the context. Just blank extra posts and leave them alone!
Ahem. Thank you.
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