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Wicked Tinkerbell, did they mention gender? In the comic that was woman.
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Male (identical) twin. *
Apparently, he had a twin sister in the comic, so the director thought there was a precident.
The director also mentioned that the twin was named P. Xavier. But the reference (a sign, I think) didn't make it into the movie.
The DVD also gives several alternate endings: for Rogue, Wolverine, & for Beast (my new favorite mutant).
*Edited to Add: The director said that this left things open in case there is another movie.
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Where is the extra scene on the X-Men 3 DVD about Professor X? I thought I had watched all of the deleted scenes and alternate endings but after reading this I see I must have missed something.
And another show that had a few pointless deaths was Sliders. I think there was a finale on Fox, then it was revived on the Scifi channel where it limped to the finish line. The first was actually a fate worse than death. Wade was taken by the Cromags and sent to a breeding camp for, as far as the show was concerned, the rest of her life. That was bad enough but the way the Mallory brothers died was really stupid. I forget their names but one just went *poof* in the wormhole and that was that. The other, the main character who started the whole sliding experiment was absorbed into an alternate version of himself who for some reason looked nothing like him. There was still hope for a few episodes since this new version of him had the old one's memories and some personality traits. They took care of that though when in one episode the new main character said something about all the memories of him being gone now.
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SPOILERS FOR THE A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE BOOKS
Sister Ray: Only the good guys die in the ASOIAF universe?
I beg to differ.
What I really like about GRRM's writing, apart from the bloodiness, is how the characters very seldom are completely good or evil, and instead act in a more realistic manner, based on their past (their upbringing, etc.) and their motivations.
Do you consider Joffrey, Lysa Arryn, Tywin, Polliver and the Tickler all to be good?
If you finished A Storm of Swords, you know what they all have in common.
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Wish - really really short answer is all but one didn't seem to be bad guys. But as I said I'd rather not debate this, and will just say that I am wrong.
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: The first was actually a fate worse than death. Wade was taken by the Cromags and sent to a breeding camp for, as far as the show was concerned, the rest of her life.
IIRC, that was down to behind the scenes stuff. When Kari Whurer came on to the show, apparently she treated the crew like absolute dirt. Sabrina Lloyd (Wade) was, at the time, engaged to one of the crew-members. This, naturally caused friction between the two, and Whurer was often on Lloyd's case about it. At one point, she taunted her so badly, that Lloyd ran off and locked herself in her trailer, holding up production for a while.
Come to the negotiations for series 4, and word comes from above that they think that the cast works better with only one female character. Now, one of the producers was a guy called David Peckinpah, who had a bit of a thing for Whurer. In fact, it was him who first got her on the show. So, he "told on Lloyd", saying about how she'd held up production and so had cost money. He also made sure to point out to Sci-Fi that Lloyd was asking for a raise (along with the other original cast members), wheras Whurer wasn't.
Annoyed by this back-stabbing that was going on, Lloyed went to see Peckinpah and gave him an ultimatum that it was her or Whurer. Naturally, he chose Whurer. And that's when he came up with the idea for the Kromagg breeding camp. That was 100% his idea. According to sources around him at the time, his reasoning was that it was "funny". Whurer also went on record as saying that it was "funny". In fact, it would have been worse, had it just been up to Peckinpah. In his version, it wasn't even a breeding camp, just a "rape camp", there purely for recreational purposes. It took all the other producers working together to get the camp actually having a purpose through to the screen.
It does seem, though, that Jerry O'Connell was pushing for far too much with his contract negotiations (he wanted to be made Executive Producer, have a pay rise, keep his brother in, and write and direct the series), and put Sci-Fi in a position where they simply couldn't meet all his demands, and he refused to meet them half-way, and refused to appear at all. They were going to resolve the story line by using unaired footage from previous seasons, but he got his lawyer on to them, and ensured that they couldn't use his voice or image in the series at all.
So one was pure vindictive spite, and the other was his own silly fault.
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: Where is the extra scene on the X-Men 3 DVD about Professor X? I thought I had watched all of the deleted scenes and alternate endings but after reading this I see I must have missed something.
It appears at the end of the movie, after the credits (which are about 6 minutes long). Fast forward through the credits--don't hit 'next chapter', as it is not a separate chapter on the disk.
The director asked PS, during a lunch break, if he would shoot a short scene. The studio didn't know about it (it wasn't in the script) or the final scene w/ Magneto. The actors didn't know if the scenes would make the final cut.
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Wow, that's pretty interesting. I never knew about the rape camp. That seems like a pretty childish revenge, but kind of funny at the same time. I always kind of figured Jerry O'Connell either wanted more money or had had enough of the show. By the way, where did you get this information? Not that I don't believe you, I just like to read about this kind of stuff.
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They're stories that have been kicking around for years. But check out this site for gory details.
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The death of Admiral Perry Fitzwallace, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, when his truck was bombed during a visit to the Middle East, on West Wing.. The death was pointless and did little to advance the plot.
I hated that Mrs. Landingham was killed off when she was hit by a stupid drunken driver after she bought her first new car, but it did help the plot and led to the greatest single episode ever on television -- Two Cathedrals, the final episode of season 2.
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I must step in a moment to defend Wolverine. No, he's not my favorite character. Yes, he gets way too much screen time ("No, I just got back helping team C in Europe!") to the point where his secondary mutation may as well be refocusing the entire universe around himself if he's in the cast list.
It's because he *is* the outsider. This conflict isn't his war. He doesn't care about ideals. But whether he cares about ideals or who wins is secondary to the fact that he's part of it whether he likes it or not because at the end of the day, he's still a mutant. He doesn't stand out because he's "the rebel", he stands out because he's an individual with his own needs that align themselves conveniently from time to time with the X-men.
I think he takes more flack than he deserves because A) he's ridiculously popular and B) he's ridiculously over-marketed.
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C) He has a ridiculousy nice a$$ and chest.
Oh, you were listing reasons he gets more FLACK (Not more screen time. Those of you who think I meant the another F-word, get your head out of the gutter! )
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I didn't like when Quilig died in Galaxy Quest. It was "necessary" so that Dr. Lazarus could say his "stupid line" for once and mean it, but in an otherwise fun movie they could have just cheated and had him be fixed up.
Also, I always feel bad when Sam Neil doesn't get to see Montana in The Hunt for Red October.
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quote:Originally posted by Mormegil: I didn't like when Quilig died in Galaxy Quest. It was "necessary" so that Dr. Lazarus could say his "stupid line" for once and mean it, but in an otherwise fun movie they could have just cheated and had him be fixed up.
I think one of the themes of Galaxy Quest, along with sending up fandom, was showing how their love for the show and the actors gave meaning to their lives. Quilig getting killed was used to prove to Alexander (aka Lazarus) just how much his work was really appreciated. Oh, it's corny. But it did serve a purpose for once. And I still get all weepy when Quilig dies.
There also didn't seem to be a part of the movie that showed the Thermians being capable of healing fatal wounds. While Star Trek could heal anything if the plot demanded it, that doesn't mean that the universe of Galaxy Quest (and thus the Thermian technology) possessed such capabilities.
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quote:Originally posted by Wicked Tinkerbell: C) He has a ridiculousy nice a$$ and chest.
Oh, you were listing reasons he gets more FLACK (Not more screen time. Those of you who think I meant the another F-word, get your head out of the gutter! )
I didn't know Sean Connery posted here...
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I just ran across this thread, 4 pages in. So everything I'm about to say has probably been said already. But I have to say it anyway.
SERENITY SPOILER
I watched Firefly on DVD over the past couple of months, then went to Dragoncon and saw Alan Tudyk do a talk. During the talk he read Wash's eulogy which a fan had written. At the time I hadn't seen Serenity yet, but I didn't realize why the Eulogy was written. Yes, i know, sometimes I don't connect the dots. When I finally saw Serenity, just last week mind you, I almost cried!! Not that that happens often, ahem. I smacked myself on the fourhead for not realizing that the eulogy practically told me how it was going to happen.
Alright, that aside, I was exceptionally upset about Wash's death. Then I went back and listened to the director talk about why he did it. It was exactly the way some people surmised. He did it to create that tension making the audience think everyone was going to die. And, let me tell you, it definitely worked. Every scene after that was constructed in a way that would keep you on the edge of your seat thinking someone had just died. I thought it was masterfully crafted. It was an adrenaline rush. I was pissed that he killed off Wash of all people, my favorite character, but I understand why he did it. And I'm kind of glad he did. And what I mean by that, is because, yes, it made everything from that point on seem so very realistic. In the middle of a big bad fight like that, people are going to get hurt, and people are going to die. The fact that not every crew member made it out alive sold the final scene.
Book's death, which I was also angry about, would have had more of an impact if he had actually shown the attack. I was upset about Book dying because I wanted to know who he really was. They never cleared that up, and the fact that he told Mal that "no, he didn't have to tell him how he knew so much" the last time you saw him, was like the director saying "nya nyah, you'll never know."
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Serenity spoilers space space I don't need to be told when something is gorram serious. Throughout the series and the movie, the Reavers were never treated as anything BUT serious. Even Jayne is terrified of them. The Operative's speech about killing children, paired with Book and Mr. Universe dying, nicely makes the point of that situation being serious. After Wash's death, I no longer cared if the other characters lived or died. I might've been happier if there hadn't been any survivors, or possibly only Mal.
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TallGeekyGirl, I have to agree with your SO. The death of Kate on NCIS was horrible! I know the character DiNozzo was originally supposed to die, but he wanted to stay on the show. So Kate died instead. Now his character just seems 10 times more irritating. I still complain about it to my BF whenever I occasionally watch the show- it just isnt the same anymore!
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The 296th orc from the right in the opening scene in Lord of the Rings. That was completely uncalled for. He just had so much to live for, and that puny elf clearly wasn't a match for him. There was no plot reason for him to die. Besides, in the book, he survived.
Yeah, yeah, I'll shut up now...
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For comics, for me, it is Judge Giant in 2000AD. Even the writers have apologised for killing him in such an off-hand way.
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I always think it's a pity Trinity had to die in Matrix Revolution (and in what way !). They really could have found a way to spare her.
Oh yes, and speaking of a much older movie : the princess in "Dragonslayer". Not only does the (anti)hero fail to save her, but she's killed and eaten by the dragon's offspring - not even by the great Worm itself. How pitiful.
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quote:Originally posted by Macheath: I'm not a comic book collector, so I don't have any first hand information about this particular death, but I've heard several comics fans complain about the death of the Blue Beetle.
That was just a bad death for beetle. He thought something was up, so he made the rounds of his superhero friends (and fellow justice league comrades) to get a hand investigating. They ALL blew him off, so he started investigating on his own. This led him to maxwell lord (The old administrator of the justice league when beetle was a member), who it turns out was evil the whole time, and shoots beetle in the head on-panel.
This despite the fact that the Martian Manhunter, one of the DC universes most powerful telepaths, had read Lords mind on several occasions through the JLA comics, and never turned up the fact he was an evil mastermind manipulating the league. Thats just bad continuity. If he had claimed that his views had changed slowly over the years to be anti-superhero, that would have worked. But he flat-out said that he had been manipulating the league all along.
My theory is that someone in DC editorial absolutely HATED the Giffen/DeMatteis "Embassy-era" justice league. Look at what happened to the mainstays of that league recently: Max Lord turned out to be evil, Blue Beetle caught one in the face, Booster Gold became hated and died (in the pages of 52 about a month ago), Sue Dibney was ret-conned into having been raped by Dr Light on the league satelite (thus turning a lot of her dialogue in the JLA run from amusing to poignant) and then murdered and Ralph Dibney has had the cheese slip totally off his cracker. Rocket Red died in the crisis (but at least he had a decent death), and Captain Atom may have finally turned into monarch (because everyone loved the armageddon 2001 crossover so much... )
If we are including comics, then I call baw-baggery on the deaths of the new warriors in Marvels horribly badly written "Civil War" event. Now, whats odd is that some of the writers on civil war are great writers (mark millar for example), but the event is awful. Night Thrasher (leader of the warriors) has traditionally had the worlds biggest stick up his butt, so there is no WAY that he would have lead the warriors against Nitro without taking some rudimentary precautions. The Warriors were killed in a stupid way just because they wanted some superheroes to die at the start of this series, and they decided to give a NSFBSK-you to the warriors fans.
Oh, and speedballs powers being turned off by being hit by nitros blast? Man, hes been hit by Terrax and bounced back, nitro is comparitively bush-league. Its BULL. Then every character in the entire miniseries started acting out of their established character and I gave up on the series.
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quote:I'm looking at you Highlander 2
There never was a Highlander 2. They went directly from Highlander 1 to Highlander 3 and 4. I will never accept that a Highlander 2 ever existed. Never, I tell you!
That would imply that there was a highlander 4. That never happened. There was highlander 1, then there was highlander 3, then they stopped. There never was a highlander 2, nor was there an endgame. Did I say endgame? I meant highlander 4. It didnt have a name because it did not exist. Ever.
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quote:Originally posted by faceless007: Everyone who ever died on 24.
Oh wait, you mean stupid death scenes, not deaths of stupid characters... Well, that's a different thing.
The OP sounds like it doesn't like the idea of major characters dying because it's so sad and hard to take, but that's usually the point of killing off a character--to creat pathos and drama. I read somewhere by someone who knows his work better than me that Joss Whedon likes killing off major characters--not because he gets a kick out of it, but just because he knows how effective it can be when done well. Judging by this thread, that must be true.
Well, there's a difference in killing a main character in a way that stems directly from the plot, and in randomly whacking someone to write them off the show. For any anime fans on the board (I know there's a few of you) the series Nadiesco (sp?) features a character who dies very early on, for a fairly good reason, but in a particularly half-hearted way. The guy has just finished piloting a flying battle robot against enemies from another planet, turns around, see some shady characters in the hanger, says "Hey-" and gets shot.
I thought Wash got a pretty crappy death, too.
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quote:Originally posted by STF: I think it's because he looks cool and the EU built him up quite a bit. If you just go by the movies Boba Fett is quite the boob really. I mean this bad ass bounty hunter got killed by Han Solo...accidentally...while he was blind.
That's why when I first started to persue the EU Star Wars I was totally flabbergasted by the pure number and intensity of fan boy drool-gasms over this character.
Going on just the original trilogy movies alone... I always thought he was meant to be comic relief. He doesn't do anything particularly bad-ass, and I laughed my ass off at his death scene.
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quote:Originally posted by faceless007: Everyone who ever died on 24.
Oh wait, you mean stupid death scenes, not deaths of stupid characters... Well, that's a different thing.
The OP sounds like it doesn't like the idea of major characters dying because it's so sad and hard to take, but that's usually the point of killing off a character--to creat pathos and drama. I read somewhere by someone who knows his work better than me that Joss Whedon likes killing off major characters--not because he gets a kick out of it, but just because he knows how effective it can be when done well. Judging by this thread, that must be true.
Nope, the OP was about characters dying for no real purpose. I see how some people see Tara's death as plot driven, but I've been watching my friend's tapes, and so far the only plot I see is Willow's "Oh goddess, I can't use magic. But lives are at stake, but I can't use magic it's bad". If there is another plot, I have not found it.
The death of the Lone Gunmen was, to me, avoidable, and therefore stupid, not sad.
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I really hated it when they killed off Birkoff on La Femme Nikita. Not only because I have a thing for dorky guys, but because they could have done a lot more with the character. I find the thought of someone born and raised in a way so clearly outside of societies norms ablsolutly fascinating. Plus I would have liked to see him interact with this brother more. Mmmm.. two of them.
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quote:Originally posted by Major D. Saster: Oh yes, and speaking of a much older movie : the princess in "Dragonslayer". Not only does the (anti)hero fail to save her, but she's killed and eaten by the dragon's offspring - not even by the great Worm itself. How pitiful.
Also, from what we saw of her character, if she had lived to grow up she would have made a very good Queen after her father was gone.
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quote:Originally posted by StillandSilent: I really hated it when they killed off Birkoff on La Femme Nikita. Not only because I have a thing for dorky guys, but because they could have done a lot more with the character. I find the thought of someone born and raised in a way so clearly outside of societies norms ablsolutly fascinating. Plus I would have liked to see him interact with this brother more. Mmmm.. two of them.
Well, that's what AU fanfics are for!
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quote:Originally posted by Wicked Tinkerbell: C) He has a ridiculousy nice a$$ and chest.
Oh, you were listing reasons he gets more FLACK (Not more screen time. Those of you who think I meant the another F-word, get your head out of the gutter! )
I didn't know Sean Connery posted here...
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At the end of the most recent episode of "Vanished", the central character, Graham Kelton, was shot several times. While I assumed at the time that he would survive his injuries, I've heard that he's been killed off due to the show's poor ratings. I think that makes very little sense, since killing him off will probably just upset the show's current viewers (myself included). I've heard a few people say that they'll stop watching if he is killed. Then again, it could be that the rumors of his demise are some kind of publicity stunt, and he's actually going to pull through.
quote:Originally posted by STF: I think it's because he looks cool and the EU built him up quite a bit. If you just go by the movies Boba Fett is quite the boob really. I mean this bad ass bounty hunter got killed by Han Solo...accidentally...while he was blind.
That's why when I first started to persue the EU Star Wars I was totally flabbergasted by the pure number and intensity of fan boy drool-gasms over this character.
Going on just the original trilogy movies alone... I always thought he was meant to be comic relief. He doesn't do anything particularly bad-ass, and I laughed my ass off at his death scene.
It seems to me that there really is a growing backlash against Fett now quite honestly. I think fans are starting to realize that beyond looking pretty cool he's not as great as they try to make him out to be.
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I have to admit, I was kinda (okay, >< this much) disappointed when Fett died. He had potential. But then, he was, after all, on the Emporer's side, so I wasn't too wracked up about it.
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