quote:Originally posted by Rhiandmoi: I heard on the news this morning that they are doing something called maternal seperation for 7 days. Anyone know what that means?
The Church of Scientology apparently doesn't know either. While I found a fair bit online about maternal separation, absolutely none of it was at all related to Scientology (or any other religion). In response to "recent media attention" the Scientology people put up a website at www.silentbirth.org to dispel a few of the pregnancy and childbirth issues that have come up around Tom Cruise.
"L. Ron Hubbard never wrote that parents should not speak to their child for seven days following birth. Nor does any Church of Scientology proscribe or dictate any such practice to its parishioners."
I've got to wonder what the the rest of the Scientology community thinks of Tom Cruise. Scientology used to be a bit of a mysterious religion most people didn't know much about, and the celebrity Scientologists didn't really go on much about. It seemed kind of wacky, but probably mostly harmless. But then Tom went nuts. I can easily imagine a conversation like "Hey, Tom. Look, could you maybe, you know, tone it down a bit? Maybe not mention our name so much? People already thought we were wackos and you really aren't helping."
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So who gave their daughter the worst name, Cruise or Shields? Suri sounds kind of nice but the meaning "pickpocket" is a turnoff. The name Grier looks and sounds awful, does anyone know it's meaning? And is it pronounced Greeer or Gree-ay?
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I assume Grier is pronounced Greer, as in Rosie Grier or Pam Grier. I don't know the meaning, but it's not terribly uncommon as a last name, so I suppose it could be a family name.
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Well, there was a lovely lady named Greer Garson. Spelled different, but still sounds the same.
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Neither name is aesthetically appealing to me but I would have to vote for Grier. Suri reminds me of Surrey with the Fringe on Top and beside the fact that her parents are wicky in the wacky woo.
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I like both. Is Grier a boy? Grier has kind of a east coast preppy feel to it.
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Suri = Surrey, which is also a region of England, which is where the "deceased" L. Ron Hubbard's home is located and it is the headquarters of Scientology in the UK.
Personally, I like 'Grier' a bit better. I think of it as a male name but I know (as guru mentioned) that there was an actress named Greer.
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I think I prononuced it wrong and probably always will. Thanks radio.
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quote: Suri = Surrey, which is also a region of England, which is where the "deceased" L. Ron Hubbard's home is located and it is the headquarters of Scientology in the UK.
Except that his home was and world headquarters of Scientology is in Sussex, not Surrey. And he moved from there to Rhodesia, then later to Florida, then spent the rest of his life in California.
Why'd they put "deceased" in quotation marks?
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quote:Originally posted by Mouse: I was sure we were going to get another Audio Science or Moon Unit, given how batshit Tom has gotten.
Moon Unit is a great name.
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When I say Surrey I say it as : sir ree I heard the name Suri on the radio today as seu ree like syour ree this is hard to do with a whiney baby lol. empasisis on the U in the latter I guess.
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quote:Originally posted by magpie: Suri sounds kind of nice but the meaning "pickpocket" is a turnoff.
To be fair, how many parents research baby names in every possible language to avoid negative meanings?
Many names have a strange meanings when pronounced in Japanese. Suri is kind of mild by comparison.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenn: To be fair, how many parents research baby names in every possible language to avoid negative meanings?
Well, it's only anecdote, not data... but it's pretty common for an expectant parent to ask me to research two or three names for them, and/or to have already discarded a name simply because of it's meaning. YMMV
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I looked it up in Koehler-Baumgartner's lexicon (essentially, the most widely used ancient Hebrew dictionary I know of), and the meaning of Sarai is as yet undetermined. It was "a proper name" but I couldn't glean a whole lot more than that from the entry other than ____ speculates this, and _____ speculates that sort of stuff. It didn't look like anyone speculated "contentious," though I've heard the theory before.
The way Hebrew works, the basic meaning comes from the consonants. Change the vowels and the basic meaning is still essentially the same, though the part of speech may change (I'm not making a whole lot of sense, but bear with me). The Hebrew for king, for example, is melek, but make it melak, and it becomes "to reign," or literally, "king-ing." Thus, Suri could quite reasonably derive from Sarah, but it probably wouldn't be a noun. There are so many possible ways to spell that (Hebrew has four different characters for our letter S) that I don't know where to begin to look it up.
Then again, pronunciation changes over time, and as someone else pointed out, the Yiddish is close. It seems reasonable to me, having thought about it, that Suri would mean princess in Hebrew. If so, it would not be pronounced "Surrey" but more like "Sooree."
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It's now on the news that Suri doesn't actually mean "princess" in Hebrew. I don't know what the real meaning is now, or if it even has one, but the morning news said it means "Get Away". I'm not sure if they were joking.
And Avril, I think you're right about the pronounciation. I think CNN has been pronouncing it as "Sorry", which just adds to the humor of the situation.
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quote: Suri = Surrey, which is also a region of England, which is where the "deceased" L. Ron Hubbard's home is located and it is the headquarters of Scientology in the UK.
Why'd they put "deceased" in quotation marks?
Apparently, Scientologists believe he might "come back."
From this article, originally posted by snopes in the Religion section:
quote:Today, every church or Scientology organization has an office reserved for Hubbard. Usually found on the church's ground floor, it is carefully maintained with books, desk, chair, pens, notepads, desk ornaments and other accouterments, as if the Founder might walk in at any moment.
I thought it said more than that in the article, but this is the best I could find.
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quote:Originally posted by Avril: If so, it would not be pronounced "Surrey" but more like "Sooree."
To be honest, I've been surprised that it's been suggested any other way. The first thing it reminded me of was the word "Sura". To be pronounced "suh-ree" it'd have to have a double "r", surely?
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quote:Originally posted by magpie: It's now on the news that Suri doesn't actually mean "princess" in Hebrew. I don't know what the real meaning is now, or if it even has one, but the morning news said it means "Get Away". I'm not sure if they were joking.
And Avril, I think you're right about the pronounciation. I think CNN has been pronouncing it as "Sorry", which just adds to the humor of the situation.
Ah, vindicated...
I don't think this is what my professors thought I would use this education for. Oh, well.
Avril
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quote:Originally posted by Seanette: My husband found the first official TomKitten baby picture here: The Baby Picture
*begins to pick cake crumbs out of keyboard after spitting them all over the place from laughing*
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Regarding the name "Suri" and whether is has meaning in Hebrew or not, I found this on Wikipedia:
quote:Suri, Ashkenazi Hebrew, Sari Modern Hebrew. A diminutive of the biblical name Sarah. Suri is a term of endearment derived from the Ashkenazi pronounciation of Sarah as "Surah". In Ashkenazi Hebrew The vowel (/?/) is pronounced /o/, where it is /a/ in Modern Hebrew (Compare Dovid vs. David).
Sarah is the feminine version of the Hebrew word "Sar", literally meaning "ruler", thus Suri could be loosely translated as "Princess".
Avril, were you taking regional dialects such as Ashkenazi into account in your research?
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Well, Jenn, I need to be more clear. From an earlier post of mine on this page:
quote:The way Hebrew works, the basic meaning comes from the consonants. Change the vowels and the basic meaning is still essentially the same, though the part of speech may change (I'm not making a whole lot of sense, but bear with me). The Hebrew for king, for example, is melek, but make it melak, and it becomes "to reign," or literally, "king-ing." Thus, Suri could quite reasonably derive from Sarah, but it probably wouldn't be a noun. There are so many possible ways to spell that (Hebrew has four different characters for our letter S) that I don't know where to begin to look it up.
Then again, pronunciation changes over time, and as someone else pointed out, the Yiddish is close. It seems reasonable to me, having thought about it, that Suri would mean princess in Hebrew. If so, it would not be pronounced "Surrey" but more like "Sooree."
What "vindicated" me was:
quote:And Avril, I think you're right about the pronounciation. I think CNN has been pronouncing it as "Sorry", which just adds to the humor of the situation.
The rest is explained by the wink, I should think. It confirms what I said earlier about language pronounciation changing over time.
However, you have solved the mystery without me needing to figure out which S to use (probably shin), which is something that I didn't think of doing. So I guess the answer to your question was that (a) I hadn't gotten that far yet and (b) I probably wouldn't have spent the time getting that far in the end, so, no, and my face is a little red.
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Suri may not be the most normal name out there but I don't think it's that bad. I was expecting worse from them.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenn:
quote:Suri, Ashkenazi Hebrew, Sari Modern Hebrew. A diminutive of the biblical name Sarah. Suri is a term of endearment derived from the Ashkenazi pronounciation of Sarah as "Surah". In Ashkenazi Hebrew The vowel (/?/) is pronounced /o/, where it is /a/ in Modern Hebrew (Compare Dovid vs. David).
I was called "Sari" as a child. I assumed they were going for a variation on Sarah, maybe with a Scientology twist of some sort.
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I talked to one of the professors here about that today (he has a degree in Judaic Studies from Oxford--I'll bet he never figured his education would be employed in such a way, either, despite all those years of Hebrew classes, both ancient and modern). He said that while it was theoretically possible to have derived Suri from Sarah, he'd never heard of it. If I give the Cruises the benefit of the doubt, this is a very obscure name.
And now I bet he wonders about me, asking such a question!
Avril
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Sorry to bump this up, but has anyone actually seen this baby?
A lot of the tabloids are starting to question her existance and I'm hearing some fascinating conspiricy theories.
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Some of the tabloids also say that when he and Kidman got their children they didn't take them out in public for a year. It may be a while before we see the little one....
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