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Comment: I am in the Army stationed at Hunter Army Airfield. When we go
to our Promotion Board, one of the topics that we must learn is the life
of Audie Murphy. I have heard a rumor that Audie Murphy, before he died,
was arrested or charged with child molestation. I am just wondering if
there is any truth to this.

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Barbara R.
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I've never heard of anything like this. Maybe you could try a Google search.

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I found this Time Magazine article written at the time of his death, and it goes into some of the trouble he experienced toward the end of his life. While it mentions him brutally beating a man over that man's mistreatment of a dog it says nothing of child abuse.

Lieutenant Murphy fought for thirty months on the front lines of one of the most brutal wars imaginable. His bravery was of a sort so selfless that we are very likely never to see its kind again. It is now widely recognized that Audie Murphy suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, and how could he not have? He was a generally kind and self-effacing man who probably should have returned to a simpler life in West Texas rather than immersing himself in Hollywood's often seedy culture.

For the sake of the Soldier posting the inquiry in the original post I recommend you concentrate on Lieutenant Murphy's positive accomplishments. No one on a board is going to be impressed with you detailing the troubles he later experienced.

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Thank you, Cannon Fodder!! Lieutenant Murphy's exploits in combat far outweigh anything he may have done later on. I consulted my lovely bride, who met Lt. Murphy before his death, and she never heard of such a tale. Without getting into how she would know, she was in a position to have known had such a thing happened back then. As far as Lt. Murphy getting into trouble for beating a man who mistreated his dog, I would probably have done the same thing.

As to the promotion board, I would think that they would be far more impressed with your knowledge of your specialty and general military history than your knowledge of one man. None of the boards I went in front of were concerned about that sort of thing. They were more interested in the areas I spoke of above.

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I read the article in CannonFodder's link (hope that's just irony in your handle, CannonFodder - take care of yourself!), and I disagree with the last sentence:

"Audie Murphy belonged to an earlier, simpler time, one in which bravery was cardinal and killing was a virtue."

I read "To Hell and Back" several times as a teenager and I always felt Murphy portrayed killing as a necessity, rather than a virtue.

As far as child molesting, I don't believe it any more than anyone else here. There's something in human nature (at least in some humans' nature) that tries to bring down heroes, simply because they are there.

I would rather believe that heroes are human first and heroes second. I don't think Audie Murphy ASKED to be a hero, and it may have done him more harm than good in the end, but that doesn't diminish who he was or what he did.

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quote:
Originally posted by Old Soldier:
Lieutenant Murphy's exploits in combat far outweigh anything he may have done later on.

Anything? Seriously, anything he could possibly have done, or do you mean anything there's any evidence that he may have actually done? Because, while I can't really fault him beating up a dog-abuser, I'm not sure heroism should give a person a free pass.

I'm not trying to start trouble, here. I have a great deal of respect for those who are called to defend their country. This statement just didn't sit right with me.

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I'm with you, evilrabbit.

I'm not saying he was a child molester, as obviously there's no proof of that, but were it true I don't think he (or anyone) should be given a pass just because of earlier heroism.

Let me reiterate to avoid flames, I'm not saying he did this, I don't believe he did.

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I don't think he should get a free pass but neither should he be the target of a smear job just because he is dead and can no longer defend himself. Unless there is more to go on than "I heard this somewhere" it's pretty contemptible to accuse anyone of such a heinous crime.

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quote:
Originally posted by evilrabbit:
quote:
Originally posted by Old Soldier:
Lieutenant Murphy's exploits in combat far outweigh anything he may have done later on.

Anything? Seriously, anything he could possibly have done, or do you mean anything there's any evidence that he may have actually done? Because, while I can't really fault him beating up a dog-abuser, I'm not sure heroism should give a person a free pass.

I'm not trying to start trouble, here. I have a great deal of respect for those who are called to defend their country. This statement just didn't sit right with me.

I wrestled with this a bit because i don't want to derail this thread, but there was a relevent case in my area. It too deals with the idea that past service -- while not outweighing present actions -- may, in some opinions,"pay-off" against some bad deeds.

Here: In determining the sentence, Ford said he considered Guidi's spotless record before the accident, his service in the military and the Fire Department and the fact that he didn't flee after striking Sandoval. Guidi's drunken-driving talks also served to his benefit, Ford said.


By the way, I'll extend my and my family's deepest THANK YOU to all military personel this Veteran's Day weekend

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IMHO, some crimes (such as child molestation) are so beyond the pale, that no amount of prior good deeds can mitigate such a heinous crime.

That being said, other than the post here, I have seen absolutely ZERO evidence ever linking Murphy to such crimes... sounds to me more like someone has a hard-on to tear down one the last true American heroes we have. It as, as Christie noted, contemptible.

However, these things have happened, though not necessarily with Murphy... let's not forget the SPC Paul Stebbins, Silver Star recipient in Mogadishu (and the soldier upon whom Ewan McGregor's character is based on in the movie version of Blackhawk Down) is now doing 20 years hard time in Leavenworth following a conviction on charges of child molestation. Creeps can pop up in the wierdest places.

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quote:
Originally posted by DesertRat:

However, these things have happened, though not necessarily with Murphy... let's not forget the SPC Paul Stebbins, Silver Star recipient in Mogadishu (and the soldier upon whom Ewan McGregor's character is based on in the movie version of Blackhawk Down) is now doing 20 years hard time in Leavenworth following a conviction on charges of child molestation. Creeps can pop up in the wierdest places.

Maybe that's the grain of salt in the Murphy story. Someone confused two people, just remembered it was some guy who got a medal who had a movie made about his feats. "What's his name, that hero guy, they made a movie.....Audie Murphy, yeah, that's him."

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My apologies. I did not mean to imply that he should get a free pass for child molestation. I don't believe the story, but, were it true, he should have felt the full weight of the law.

BTW, CannonFodder, you keep your head down. I didn't get to be an old man by sticking mine up at the wrong time!! Thank you for your service. Just remember that folk back here are keeping you and your comrades in their hearts and prayers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Old Soldier:
BTW, CannonFodder, you keep your head down. I didn't get to be an old man by sticking mine up at the wrong time!! Thank you for your service. Just remember that folk back here are keeping you and your comrades in their hearts and prayers.

Well, I try to keep my head down. Only one award for valor thus far (ARCOM w/V device), and my duties have returned to the rather static ones of basic guard force responsibilities. I don't see any necessity to stick my head up anymore. That's why there's artillery, CAS, and radios.

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And check your e-mail, Jeff. [Cool]

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quote:
Originally posted by Daniceguy:
As far as child molesting, I don't believe it any more than anyone else here. There's something in human nature (at least in some humans' nature) that tries to bring down heroes, simply because they are there.

I would rather believe that heroes are human first and heroes second. I don't think Audie Murphy ASKED to be a hero, and it may have done him more harm than good in the end, but that doesn't diminish who he was or what he did.

I think that there is a major problem with the notion that a hero is a particular type of human. Rather a hero is a human that has done a heroic deed. They may go on to do more heroic deeds or they may go on to do despicable deeds or they may go on to live in the suburbs and do nothing else particularly noteworthy.

I think we are untrue to the guts of what it is to be a human doing something heroic when we try to make heroes separate from the rest of humanity.

Had Audie Murphy committed a vile crime later in life would that make what he did do meaningless? If a a child abuser rescues a group of people from a blazing building at risk of his or her own life is that action not heroic because of their past actions? Do we end up with some sort of quantity survey of heroism that totes up all deeds to then put people on a hero rating ("Sorry Mr and Mrs Jones, while you son did die saving the lives of 2 others he did cheat on his girlfriend and kick the cat - accordingly he is not a hero")

I take comfort from the fact that the acts of heroism we see come from ordinary people that do ordinary things, good, bad and dull things and who then find in themselves the capacity to do something extra-ordinary.

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A few things occur to me. Since I've written more than a little bit about Native vets (Including trying to track down rumors that Murphy might have some distant Native heritage. Then again, most white Southerners claim that.) this claim about Murphy was something I'd never heard before in all that I'd found on the guy.

An online search turned up nothing. Perhaps it's one of those rumors that gets spread precisely because it's so unlikely, like the ones claiming Mr. Rogers or John Denver were part of elite units.

Murphy, as a war hero and then an even more famous movie star, would have had his share of female admirers. Looking as baby faced as he did for most of his life, that probably included some fairly young (teenage or even adolesecent) girls. He also hailed from a region where young girls routinely married much older men at the time with no stigma.

(Please, no silly claims I'm stereotyping the region. I'm from the rural south myself. If you still doubt me, ask Jerry Lee Lewis or Loretta Lynn.)

So *possibly* Murphy could have dallied with young girls (but not children) and people from outside the region or in more recent times are condemning him for something that only recently has been redefined as "child molesting."

(Murphy married twice, but I don't recall the ages of his wives at the time he met them.)

There also used to be stereotypes about "crazy vets" becoming child molesters from PTSD, which Murphy certainly suffered from.

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quote:
Originally posted by DesertRat:

However, these things have happened, though not necessarily with Murphy... let's not forget the SPC Paul Stebbins, Silver Star recipient in Mogadishu (and the soldier upon whom Ewan McGregor's character is based on in the movie version of Blackhawk Down) is now doing 20 years hard time in Leavenworth following a conviction on charges of child molestation. Creeps can pop up in the wierdest places.

Uhm, I don't want to sound like a smarta$$ (too late, I know [Wink] ), but wasn't his name John Stebbins and wasn't the sentence 30 years?

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:
Comment: I am in the Army stationed at Hunter Army Airfield. When we go
to our Promotion Board, one of the topics that we must learn is the life
of Audie Murphy. I have heard a rumor that Audie Murphy, before he died,
was arrested or charged with child molestation. I am just wondering if
there is any truth to this.

We were stationed at HAAF. My husband had to prep for the promotion board. I helped him study. I made flash cards and studied with him.

Not one mention of Audie Murphy was ever made.

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Gavida;

Your are correct... smartass. [Big Grin]

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